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Author Topic: HS2 - Government proposals, alternative routes and general discussion  (Read 213276 times)
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« Reply #960 on: May 18, 2020, 06:05:48 pm »

I must admit, Id never heard of Cecilia.
Me neither, but respect to the lady. I wondered why the company would want to name a TBM after one of a shortlist containing an astronomer, a nurse, and a physicist. Probably because they were all pioneers in their fields?

To find a more appropriate name I did a Google search for "Boring Women" ... http://www.ripostemagazine.com/women-are-boring

I fear we could stray a long way off the transport subject here ...
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« Reply #961 on: May 18, 2020, 08:00:45 pm »

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Roman goddess of music (hence the song, I presume)

To stray a little further - I think Bmblzzz might be thinking of St Cecilia, patron saint of music, who was a Roman.
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« Reply #962 on: May 18, 2020, 09:02:31 pm »

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To stray a little further - I think Bmblzzz might be thinking of St Cecilia, patron saint of music, who was a Roman.
Correct, of course. You might be straying further but only to bring us back to the truth.
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« Reply #963 on: May 19, 2020, 09:02:02 am »

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To stray a little further - I think Bmblzzz might be thinking of St Cecilia, patron saint of music, who was a Roman.
Correct, of course. You might be straying further but only to bring us back to the truth.

Exactly. I mean, what have the Romans ever done for us?
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« Reply #964 on: May 19, 2020, 09:18:14 am »

Exactly. I mean, what have the Romans ever done for us?

They brought stinging nettles to Britain, allegedly.
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« Reply #965 on: May 19, 2020, 02:19:37 pm »

They brought stinging nettles to Britain, allegedly.

And edible snails Helix pomatia - a true delicacy.
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« Reply #966 on: May 19, 2020, 05:48:27 pm »

Rabbits too, but they subsequently died out and were reintroduced by the Normans.
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« Reply #967 on: May 19, 2020, 05:50:10 pm »

Talking of introduced animals reminds me of the predictions that HS1 or rather the Tunnel would result in rabies reaching Britain as animals walked through it. That doesn't seem to have happened.
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« Reply #968 on: May 21, 2020, 06:49:23 pm »

Whatever the Romans did for us, it didn't include the new station at Old Oak Common. Permission for that has come from the Old Oak Common and Park Royal Development Corporation, a body formed by the mayor of London to oversee a wider redevelopment of the area. Work starts next month, which I think means that the government intends to continue with the HS2 project. At least for the time being.

You might find this Times article to be behind a paywall. I'm sure there are others.
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« Reply #969 on: May 21, 2020, 07:34:02 pm »

Whatever the Romans did for us, it didn't include the new station at Old Oak Common.

They did do some stations, though?

Roman station of Bravinium is a Scheduled Monument in Leintwardine, Herefordshire ...
https://ancientmonuments.uk/103755-roman-station-of-bravinium-leintwardine#.XsbJTy2ZPUo
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« Reply #970 on: May 21, 2020, 09:54:14 pm »


I've read one opinion that the Romans were responsible for messing up the entire transport system for Britain for millenia. Before them were long distance prehistoric cross-country trackways like the Icknield way, after there were radial routes from Londinium, the Colonial Capital. All succeeding modes; canals, turnpikes, railways, A roads, Motorways and the energy and communications systems followed this, instead of being based on an equal ranked network, somewhat like Switzerland. This would have likely given a net connecting the County towns (think of the wretched roads from Reading to Oxford or Aylesbury), encouraging distributed economic growth rather than one centred on London.

HS2 perpetuates this.

I would still like one of their tessellated floors with a guilloche border, however....

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« Reply #971 on: May 22, 2020, 12:00:42 pm »

Did they, though?

According to my Roman street map (yours may vary), five major roads converged on Londinium, but the same was true of Corinium (Cirencester) - the Birmingham of the Cotswolds...
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« Reply #972 on: May 22, 2020, 12:09:32 pm »

Did they, though?

According to my Roman street map (yours may vary), five major roads converged on Londinium, but the same was true of Corinium (Cirencester) - the Birmingham of the Cotswolds...

That's what I thought (though I can't find my map). No doubt those many cross-country roads remained in use during the English Settlement period and on into the early middle ages, with all those separate kingdoms. London wasn't that important politically, that came with the Normans, but when did it get to be dominant commercially? About the same time, I suspect. Though of course our towns are mostly Norman too - such things hardly existed before then - except perhaps where those Roman roads crossed.
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« Reply #973 on: May 22, 2020, 12:19:21 pm »

The Romans had a network of 'B roads' too, such as the Via Julia from Aquae Sulis to Abonae (Sea Mills), which survives in traces over the Bristol Downs and in nearby names such as Julian Road.
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« Reply #974 on: May 22, 2020, 02:53:54 pm »


The link below may be of interest. There are some good wiki entries also.

There were busy, wide, publicly maintained ones, and others...

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http://roadsofromanbritain.org/index.html
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