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Author Topic: Great Western Railway: on-board catering, buffets, Travelling Chef, Pullman - ongoing discussion  (Read 629359 times)
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« Reply #150 on: June 23, 2012, 13:04:24 »

That's how it used to be. And that's why the overcrowding on the Reading-Paddington corridor was so hideous during the peaks.
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« Reply #151 on: June 23, 2012, 13:33:12 »

That's how it used to be. And that's why the overcrowding on the Reading-Paddington corridor was so hideous during the peaks.

How many more seats in a LC (Level Crossing) set than a HC set? Can't be that much difference.

But the point I was clearly making is: make all the sets the same. Even if they are all HC sets.
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« Reply #152 on: June 23, 2012, 16:35:38 »

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That's why they should have kept a standard fleet. 8 coaches, full buffet and kitchen. Low density seating.

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But the point I was clearly making is: make all the sets the same. Even if they are all HC sets.


Sorry, don't really see that- it's clear to me that you were suggesting low density seating.  Huh
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« Reply #153 on: June 23, 2012, 17:10:02 »

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« Reply #154 on: June 23, 2012, 17:11:06 »

Yes, I suggested LD seating - as I think 4 tables per coach is better for longer distance families.
But the clear message of the post was to get 1 standard fleet. i.e. no mini buffets or 2+7.
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« Reply #155 on: June 23, 2012, 18:18:31 »

How many more seats in a LC (Level Crossing) set than a HC set? Can't be that much difference.

On a LC 2+8 with buffet, compared with a HC 2+8 with mini-buffet?  Over 100 more standard class seats I should imagine.
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« Reply #156 on: June 24, 2012, 23:34:57 »

That's how it used to be. And that's why the overcrowding on the Reading-Paddington corridor was so hideous during the peaks.
FGW (First Great Western) have always have lots of different types of buffets though. There are four different types of buffet vehicles in the FGW fleet excluding the micro-buffets. The type favoured for Pullman services, 407xx vehicles should be found, if they are in the correct formation, in the 16 Low Density HST (High Speed Train) sets. They are diagrammed on mainly the London-Penzance route where all trains are meant to be formed of them, with the rest of the workings across a number of different services. That means there is plenty of opportunity for the wrong type of buffet to turn up on the diagram. There are then 19 High Density 2+8 sets which have three different types of buffet vehicle in them, 9 408xx vehicles which have the same number of seats as 407xx vehicles, and I believe a full length kitchen still, so suitable but not preferred for a Pullman service, there are also 402xx and 409xx vehicles, 5 or each, they have shorter kitchens and an extra six FC(resolve) seats, so aren't suitable for Pullman services and aren't ideal for Travelling Chef services either. All three of those kitchen types are diagrammed as a common fleet, so some HD sets are suitable for Pullman services and others aren't. The buffet carriages replaced by the micro-buffets were mainly 407xx vehicles with full kitchens, but of course in 2+8 HD sets, so they were suitable for Pullman services.
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« Reply #157 on: June 25, 2012, 00:06:31 »

What a mess (above post)

And I'm surprised that 2 fewer tables per coach for 5 coaches equates to 100 seats even when you consider the micro buffets.

How many more seats if you compare a normal HC to LC (Level Crossing) set (with standard buffet)?
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« Reply #158 on: June 25, 2012, 09:51:43 »

The difference between a high and low density set is minimal, its in the 15 to 20 region
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« Reply #159 on: June 25, 2012, 10:59:12 »

The difference between a high and low density set is minimal, its in the 15 to 20 region

But it was advertised as "thousands of extra seats" which it probably is over say a month.
Most ordinary passengers would think that "thousands of extra seats" means longer or additional trains, rather than just squeezing a few more seats into each coach.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #160 on: June 25, 2012, 11:02:32 »

Right, in that case I stand by my original post. All sets should be LC (Level Crossing). Why should all the InterCity passengers suffer just so a handful more Reading commuters don't have to stand for 25 minutes? There should be more trains after electrification/Xrail and IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) so that most peak InterCities can run pick up only/set down only at Reading.
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« Reply #161 on: June 25, 2012, 11:15:47 »

The difference between a high and low density set is minimal, its in the 15 to 20 region

But it was advertised as "thousands of extra seats" which it probably is over say a month.
Most ordinary passengers would think that "thousands of extra seats" means longer or additional trains, rather than just squeezing a few more seats into each coach.

It's thousands of extra seats a day.  I think you're both forgetting that most of the the high density will be formed with 8 carriages, 6 of which will be standard class (incl. Micro Buffet) and two first class, and low density sets will be mostly formed of 8 carriages with 5 standard class carriages, two first class, and a buffet first.  As 'dogbox' says the 15-20 seats extra is over the 5 carriages but then there's the extra additional standard class carriage with its 85 or so seats.  That makes over a hundred.  Though you lose a handful of first class seats.
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« Reply #162 on: June 25, 2012, 21:54:04 »

slight mis understanding.....the 15 to 20 extra seats is as it stands now before the introduction of the converted buffets
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« Reply #163 on: July 20, 2012, 11:40:28 »

It's possible that G&T and V&T are bigger sellers than Whisky and Brandy so FGW (First Great Western) have gone for a compromise on what they stock.

Alternatively they may just be running down existing stock of the pre-mixed whisky cans. Don't know what, if anything, replaced the Brandy miniatures. I don't care much for Whisky or Brandy so I'm a happy bunny!

Looks like you were right about running down the stocks. On the 10:00 ex-PAD» (Paddington (London) - next trains) and they have miniatures of Bells whisky and cans of Canada Dry.

Question is - is 11:30 too early to try them!
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« Reply #164 on: July 22, 2012, 12:39:58 »

It's possible that G&T and V&T are bigger sellers than Whisky and Brandy so FGW (First Great Western) have gone for a compromise on what they stock.

Alternatively they may just be running down existing stock of the pre-mixed whisky cans. Don't know what, if anything, replaced the Brandy miniatures. I don't care much for Whisky or Brandy so I'm a happy bunny!

Looks like you were right about running down the stocks. On the 10:00 ex-PAD» (Paddington (London) - next trains) and they have miniatures of Bells whisky and cans of Canada Dry.

Question is - is 11:30 too early to try them!



A little early under normal circumstances perhaps, but one really ought to show support for the stocking of miniatures by buying a few !
I do my best with the Plymouth gin !
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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