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Author Topic: Bristol connections: Metro, Bus Rapid Transit, PTE, ITA and local councils - discussion  (Read 285795 times)
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« Reply #645 on: September 21, 2016, 14:41:16 »

Just announced in the Bristol Post that a new village is proposed to be built between Long Ashton and Barrow Gurney.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/residents-claim-three-new-villages-on-fringes-of-bristol-will-bring-increased-traffic-to-the-area/story-29736882-detail/story.html

This is the opportunity that Bristol Airport should be looking at to have a rail line added, with new or re-opened stations at Long Ashton, Barrow Gurney etc.

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« Reply #646 on: September 21, 2016, 18:11:04 »

This sounds like the logical progression that many predicted - fill in the gaps between the edge of Bristol and the South Bristol Link Road.
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« Reply #647 on: September 28, 2016, 22:37:35 »

More Metrobust criticism in the Evening Post as a school report "Fail".
http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/video-mock-metrobus-school-report-gives-200million-project-a-resounding-f/story-29755722-detail/story.html
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« Reply #648 on: October 10, 2016, 21:55:38 »

Underwhelming projected time savings on Metrobust announced. Are these really worthwhile for well over 200 million pounds and climbing?

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/revealed-the-five-routes-for-the-new-200m-bristol-metrobus-network/story-29793957-detail/story.html
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« Reply #649 on: October 10, 2016, 22:48:24 »

Underwhelming projected time savings on Metrobust announced. Are these really worthwhile for well over 200 million pounds and climbing?

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/revealed-the-five-routes-for-the-new-200m-bristol-metrobus-network/story-29793957-detail/story.html

I've got no idea what difference it's going to make to north Bristol, but south of the river it hardly looks overwhelming. When you think that £200m would have paid for half a dozen new railway stations, redoubling of the Severn Beach line and electrification of local rail services... 
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« Reply #650 on: October 11, 2016, 02:45:26 »

Underwhelming projected time savings on Metrobust announced. Are these really worthwhile for well over 200 million pounds and climbing?

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/revealed-the-five-routes-for-the-new-200m-bristol-metrobus-network/story-29793957-detail/story.html

But does the investment bring about other improvements such as route capacity / frequency too?   The headline is often "speed" but the real reason may be capacity, giving an extra payback on the investment as the cost per used seat reduces.  Not sure if the vehicles are bigger to do that directly ...  but the 'do nothing' option might lead to gridlock as the city grows?
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« Reply #651 on: October 11, 2016, 09:12:50 »

But does the investment bring about other improvements such as route capacity / frequency too?   The headline is often "speed" but the real reason may be capacity, giving an extra payback on the investment as the cost per used seat reduces.  Not sure if the vehicles are bigger to do that directly ...  but the 'do nothing' option might lead to gridlock as the city grows?

The long made critisms about Metrobust centre on the routes being of so little use to Bristol that bus operators do not want to run them and time savings do little to make it more attractive. The contention has long been that this money would have been better spent on local rail options which have proven to be a popular option locally and nationally.
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« Reply #652 on: October 11, 2016, 10:48:37 »

Underwhelming projected time savings on Metrobust announced. Are these really worthwhile for well over 200 million pounds and climbing?

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/revealed-the-five-routes-for-the-new-200m-bristol-metrobus-network/story-29793957-detail/story.html

But does the investment bring about other improvements such as route capacity / frequency too?   The headline is often "speed" but the real reason may be capacity, giving an extra payback on the investment as the cost per used seat reduces.  Not sure if the vehicles are bigger to do that directly ...  but the 'do nothing' option might lead to gridlock as the city grows?

Again, I know the situation in south Bristol better than the north.

In fairness, Metrobus does promise some fairly useful things:
1) It gets the Ashton P+R traffic onto a separate route south of the harbour
2) It gives some relatively deprived areas of south Bristol, a high-quality bus service, converging on the hospital, leisure centre, college and schools, with more housing due to be built.
3) It gives new developments in Bedminster and Spike Island quality public transport into the city.
4) It will provide a circle service around the city centre.

It is also stealthily paying for numerous road schemes, such as the south Bristol link road, bus lane down Hartcliffe Way, remodelling of the centre and the area by Temple Meads. Though we'll have to wait and see how that all works out. 

Yes, it should in theory have plenty of capacity, though it's a shame that the Ashton Avenue Swing Bridge is 8cm too short to fit double deckers underneath. But that capacity is only useful if you have enough drivers and passengers to take advantage of it (buses being easy to procure), there currently seems to be a big shortage of bus drivers and it's not certain that the passengers will turn up in droves, so it could be a very long time before that investment pays off.

Leaving aside the question of are there too many flaws, compromises and bodges to make the thing useful, the question is, even if it was only available for buses, could the money have been better spent on projects that would benefit the whole city? For example, bus shelters and displays have made the bus service far more attractive, but an 'Oyster (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services)' style card and free interchanges/automatic update to a travelcard would make it even more so, evening services seem to be dwindling, and perhaps the bus station would be better beside Temple Meads.

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« Reply #653 on: October 11, 2016, 14:03:27 »

Underwhelming projected time savings on Metrobust announced. Are these really worthwhile for well over 200 million pounds and climbing?

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/revealed-the-five-routes-for-the-new-200m-bristol-metrobus-network/story-29793957-detail/story.html
Unless I've misunderstood something, the time savings quoted in the article are actually quite significant in transport terms- 10 minutes off a 40 minute bus journey, i.e. a 25% time saving, is quite a benefit. Especially if associated with better journey time reliability. Any road scheme offering such time savings would be expected to do very well on cost benefit analysis. I don't have enough local knowledge to comment on whether the routes make sense in terms of demand, but you would expect a significant increase in patronage with those sort of time savings.  That's not to say that it wouldn't have been better to have gone for light rail in the first place, but I would be surprised if it turns out to be unsuccessful in the longer term.
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« Reply #654 on: October 11, 2016, 14:15:16 »

Some of those projected times are themselves underwhelming, eg 30 minutes from Cribbs to UWE. Never mind driving, you could beat that on a bike!
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« Reply #655 on: October 11, 2016, 15:11:00 »

Lets be honest, if all the money spent by MetroBus building new lanes and roads can only give a 30 minute journey from Cribbs to UWE, the project is doomed.

The journey is essentially direct, and the target should be 20 minutes at least!
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« Reply #656 on: October 11, 2016, 19:11:57 »

Well, the diagram in the Post article linked to above shows it's a rather indirect route, which is presumably why it takes so long.
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« Reply #657 on: October 11, 2016, 19:21:39 »

Lets be honest, if all the money spent by MetroBus building new lanes and roads can only give a 30 minute journey from Cribbs to UWE, the project is doomed.

The journey is essentially direct, and the target should be 20 minutes at least!

But 30 minutes is at least 20 minutes, isn't it?
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« Reply #658 on: October 11, 2016, 22:21:39 »

There's an article on MetroWest in the new issue of RAIL magazine which will be in the shops tomorrow. Features some pictures from along the route.
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« Reply #659 on: October 25, 2016, 23:19:11 »

Portway park and ride back on the cards?

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/full-steam-ahead-for-new-railway-station-in-bristol/story-29839213-detail/story.html
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