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« on: December 06, 2009, 09:18:39 pm »

 XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) will not be forced to provide food and drink to passengers on its service between Plymouth and Penzance.
http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/business/Rail-food-appeal-rejected/article-1569986-detail/article.html
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2009, 09:33:06 pm »

One wonders what 'at seat catering on all routes, for all passengers, not just first class' meant in Arriva's press release in June 2007, following the award of the franchise to them.

Surely 'all passengers' includes those travelling from PLY» (Plymouth - next trains)-PNZ?
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2009, 09:35:57 pm »

'Lies, damned lies, and statistics press releases', possibly?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2009, 09:40:03 pm »

'Lies, damned lies, and statistics press releases', possibly?  Roll Eyes

Yup, Chris you're probably right. Same press release mentions Wi-Fi as well. Only time I pick up a Wi-Fi signal on a XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) Vomiter (when I actually make the mistake of travelling on one!) is when I'm sat in a station soaking up 'dwell time'.
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2009, 10:20:00 pm »

Arriva have killed cross country, you just had to look at the empty HST (High Speed Train)'s going to Newquay this summer! you can never get advance purchase tickets for long distance journeys and their walk up fares are rediculous!
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 04:43:26 pm »

One wonders what 'at seat catering on all routes, for all passengers, not just first class' meant in Arriva's press release in June 2007, following the award of the franchise to them.

Surely 'all passengers' includes those travelling from PLY» (Plymouth - next trains)-PNZ?

Same applies Edinburgh to Aberdeen and Glasgow, though they have just taken on First Class Hosts at Edinburgh to provide a better service NCL - EDB.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2009, 04:49:58 pm »

Arriva have killed cross country, you just had to look at the empty HST (High Speed Train)'s going to Newquay this summer! you can never get advance purchase tickets for long distance journeys and their walk up fares are rediculous!

Most of the Reading/Bournemouth Voyagers are pretty full though - especially from Oxford northwards. Yes, they're only 4 or 5 carriage trains, but is it a case of Arriva happily resting on their laurels knowing there's enough custom to fill what they've got? I have been pretty disappointed with that franchise so far.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2009, 11:21:13 pm »

Another economising move of Arriva's is to withdraw 2 of the five HST (High Speed Train) sets from the December TT change, apparently.

(Dunno this for sure, but the Fact Compiler's blog is usually spot on)
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2009, 11:48:55 pm »

Another economising move of Arriva's is to withdraw 2 of the five HST (High Speed Train) sets from the December TT change, apparently.

(Dunno this for sure, but the Fact Compiler's blog is usually spot on)
I've heard there's one less diagram but retaining all five HST's
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 09:11:08 am »

They only have four diagrams normally, except for Friday evening during the summer when an additional train ran south to position itself for a Saturday morning service from Newquay.

So four diagrams from 5 trains is in fact the normal situation. What has changed is that each set has had coach D removed.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 02:36:13 pm »

They only have four diagrams normally, except for Friday evening during the summer when an additional train ran south to position itself for a Saturday morning service from Newquay.

So four diagrams from 5 trains is in fact the normal situation. What has changed is that each set has had coach D removed.

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I guess that following the economic downturn there is no longer a need for Arriva XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) to '...provide 35% more seating in the critical evening peak on principal routes by June 2009...' which is partly why the HST (High Speed Train)'s were introduced in the first place. I wonder if shortening the HST's to 2+7 means that AXC» (Arriva Cross Country - about) fall below this franchise commitment? Or maybe winter loadings allow it without breaking the franchise commitment. It'll be interesting to see whether they return to 2+8 next May.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 02:59:40 pm »

interesting to see HSTs (High Speed Train) used so flexibly with coaches added or removed as demanded.  Makes a lot of sense, but everyone else uses HST as fixed semi-permanantly coupled sets so I had always assumed that reforming them was more trouble that it was worth. 

Aviva do seem to have desroyed their long distance markets with poorer service, timetabling slack, lack of cheap tickets and a pricing policy that makes travelling via london often better, quicker and sometimes cheaper. 

The people who run TOCs (Train Operating Company) are not stupid so I assume that it has been done deliberately so as to concentrate on shorter flows in their "core" route which must be easier to resource.

IMHO (in my humble opinion), Virgin started the downwards spiral of long distance cross country services when they introduced the god-awful Voyagers, but at least they kept them full with cheap AP fares that undercut the alternatives.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 03:22:24 pm »

It's difficult to pin down, but according to the XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) franchise ITT (Invitation to Tender) as issued, the requirement was to provide the extra seating through the west midlands (in the peaks only) by June 2010.
This seems to be why they can reduce the HST (High Speed Train) lengths at the moment, but they ought to be reinstated for next summer.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2009, 04:24:04 pm »

interesting to see HSTs (High Speed Train) used so flexibly with coaches added or removed as demanded.  Makes a lot of sense, but everyone else uses HST as fixed semi-permanantly coupled sets so I had always assumed that reforming them was more trouble that it was worth. 

It's not a major hassle - and worth it if the change is for several weeks. But it's not really a practical idea if, say, FGW (First Great Western) were to decide to get rid of a 1st Class coach and replace it with a Standard class coach for the Saturday and Sunday holiday rush. Perfectly possible (and a good idea) in theory, but a hell of a lot of work in the depots overnight on Friday and Sundays in practice.
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