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Author Topic: "Weston Williamson Unveils Design for Paddington Station" - DBN (09/12/2009)  (Read 12436 times)
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2009, 17:25:46 »

They may downsize the scheme from 12 car to 10 car as well.

It would be less future proofing, but the current proposed 10 car service will still increase London's rail capacity by 10%. It's just good planning to allow the trains' capacity to be increased by 20%.
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2009, 11:50:31 »

Don't you just love the "bean counters"?
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2009, 12:13:57 »

There's three artist impressions of what the new northern entrance will look like at:

http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/daily-news/in-pictures-weston-williamsons-paddington-station/5211750.article

Everything from the Span 4 refurbishment, to Crossrail, electrification, and the continuing Paddington Central area developments are falling into place quite nicely.
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2009, 16:39:25 »

Interesting pictures. Anyone know what they are referring to when they mention the 'existing H&C concourse'? Is there another entrance that is out of use somewhere, because I thought the only access was steps from the internal footbridge, ie behind the new barrier line.

I haven't heard of any plans to alter the current H&C platforms, is there any room to do anything with them? Although I did see a letter in one of the rail mags suggesting that maybe they could have separate up and down platforms, by taking over the mainline P14. Obviously pie in the sky if NR» (Network Rail - home page)/FGW (First Great Western) need that capacity though...

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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2009, 16:59:26 »

They may be referring to the existing access to 13/14 and 15/16 which along with the top of the old taxi down ramp to plat 8 is a large area, the whole area adjacent to plat 16 has the remains of the down ramps from Bishop Bridge to the Red Star area also the old down ramp into the old Goods yard along with what used to be the Goods Yard canteen (The Drum, damn good bacon buttes when I used to use it as maintenance electrician at Padd Stn) There is also a set of stairs toward the western end of 13/14 and 15/16 which are labeled emergency exit at the top of these used to be a ticket office and exit on the Bishops Bridge
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2009, 19:31:08 »

http://idocs.westminster.gov.uk:8080/WAM/showCaseFileDocs.do?appNumber=09/09265/LBC

"Jump to the diagram on page 31 of the Design Statement for a good 3D
diagram of the whole scheme, and there are some good plans and cross
sections earlier on."

Acknowledgements to 'Mr Thant', posting in uk.transport.london

Edit: This link provides a better quality pdf of the design statement linked above

http://idocs.westminster.gov.uk:8080/WAM/showCaseFileDocs.do?appNumber=09/09263/XR7PS&CFID=1593358&CFTOKEN=14577946

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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2009, 00:27:44 »


Let's hope that the stations are big enough for the trains and their customers rather than architects' egos. Canary Wharf style stations don't help make the case for railway investment. Perhaps they could also have cleanliness inbuilt, unlike the newer bits (1991) of Reading General which are a filthy disgrace, having never been deep cleaned since new. The proposals also show a nice clear concourse without the excessive coffee shops, vendors and allied pedlars that clutter up post-privatisation stations.

The trains could in my view better be 2x5x23m cars rather than 3x4x20m cars and should have 125mph/200kph capability for semi-fast work, now that CrossRail will reach Swansea..... (a Mars bar for the first sighting).

I can't see how dc instead of ac could work. HMRI (Her Majesty's Railway Inspectorate) doesn't allow new live rail schemes. Smaller tunnels (5m diameter instead of 6m) would need a modified/new borer with time loss.

If revision is on the cards, then perhaps the route should include St Pancras I rather than hi fi alley.

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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2009, 16:05:37 »

Any pictures than these

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/library#asset/4966

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/library#asset/4965

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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2009, 16:12:52 »


Let's hope that the stations are big enough for the trains and their customers rather than architects' egos.

The trains could in my view better be 2x5x23m cars rather than 3x4x20m cars ...

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The current Crossrail plans are for '5x20m units' running in pairs, with the underground station tunnels 'as tunnelled length' capable of  coping with  pairs of 6x20m units, but not fully fitted out. It is this 40m expansion capacity that 'btline' is suggesting won't be provided on Crossrail, if I understand his post correctly. [This was also the policy on the TW Metro underground stations - they are all 'dug out' for 6 car trains, but these have never happened, so there is approx 40m of unfinished platform at all the underground stations, behind false walls.]  Using 5x23m rather than 5x20m might be impossible at this stage dependent on tunnel curvatures and the resulting gauging issues?

However I suspect that whatever the current Crossrail spec calls for it would be daft not to use a follow on order of whatever Thameslink agree on, or a very similar spec.  Using full length trains rather than pairs of units gains the wasted space used up by the intermediate cabs.

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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2009, 16:21:50 »


If you are wondering about better pictures of Crossrail station layouts, I'd recommend this page from New Civil Engineer magazine - the Crossrail website must be one of the worst around for finding useful info, IMO (in my opinion)...

http://www.nce.co.uk/major-projects/crossrail/delivering-crossrail-major-project-report/5208323.article

Down the middle of the page you'll see links for each Crossrail station, including Paddington.

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« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2009, 09:58:39 »

Thanks, Paul - that New Civil Engineer site is a good resource for news on Crossrail and HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)).
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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2009, 10:59:38 »

Thanks

This is a good web site

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