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Author Topic: Class 142 Pacers in service on Devon branch lines, 2007 to 2011 - merged topic  (Read 146226 times)
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« Reply #105 on: November 02, 2007, 06:31:43 pm »

whilst it is significant that 142s are replacing 158s, both of which are 15-20 years old now, i dont see what the probs are with the 142s.  we have had them on the cardiff valley lines and south wales main line to swansea and maesteg now for several years, and they were brought up to the standard of the 158s internally by wales and west/wales and borders a few years back.

the ones that have been in the south wales/west region for a few years are certainly more comfortable than those that have the original bus seating, but i have used those before, 3 + 2 seating, but most of the 3's were used a two's and 2's as ones, especially as people are getting bigger over the last ten years (and yep that includes me!)
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« Reply #106 on: November 02, 2007, 06:35:31 pm »

whilst it is significant that 142s are replacing 158s, both of which are 15-20 years old now, i dont see what the probs are with the 142s.  we have had them on the cardiff valley lines and south wales main line to swansea and maesteg now for several years, and they were brought up to the standard of the 158s internally by wales and west/wales and borders a few years back.

the ones that have been in the south wales/west region for a few years are certainly more comfortable than those that have the original bus seating, but i have used those before, 3 + 2 seating, but most of the 3's were used a two's and 2's as ones, especially as people are getting bigger over the last ten years (and yep that includes me!)
I think one of the problems which is causing concern about these units coming to FGW (First Great Western) is that they are not refurbed like they are in South Wales and FGW obviously have no intention of refurbing them as they intend to only have them on lease for a couple of years (I will believe that when I see it!)
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« Reply #107 on: November 02, 2007, 06:43:59 pm »

whilst it is significant that 142s are replacing 158s, both of which are 15-20 years old now, i dont see what the probs are with the 142s.  we have had them on the cardiff valley lines and south wales main line to swansea and maesteg now for several years, and they were brought up to the standard of the 158s internally by wales and west/wales and borders a few years back.

the ones that have been in the south wales/west region for a few years are certainly more comfortable than those that have the original bus seating, but i have used those before, 3 + 2 seating, but most of the 3's were used a two's and 2's as ones, especially as people are getting bigger over the last ten years (and yep that includes me!)
I think one of the problems which is causing concern about these units coming to FGW (First Great Western) is that they are not refurbed like they are in South Wales and FGW obviously have no intention of refurbing them as they intend to only have them on lease for a couple of years (I will believe that when I see it!)

thats what i thought!  the refurbised ex-valley lines 142s are ok.  2 + 2 seating.  the older bus type seats are pathetic to be honest for a MODERN railway in 2008! 
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« Reply #108 on: November 02, 2007, 10:58:23 pm »

Any unit is tolerable if they have comfortable seats, but bus seats?
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« Reply #109 on: November 03, 2007, 04:17:59 pm »

Loss of tables and all along with litter bins and privacy from the Chavs behind you...
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« Reply #110 on: November 04, 2007, 06:27:59 pm »

Loss of tables and all along with litter bins and privacy from the Chavs behind you...
I've a better idea, ban Chavs from trains!
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« Reply #111 on: November 04, 2007, 06:43:35 pm »

Butting in on this and pulling the thread back on track.   I was up in Ely yesterday listening to a talk by Bob Breakwell - he's a non executive director of FGW (First Great Western) who's been in the industry for many years, and he very specifically mentioned 142s to Cornwall.   Yes, all the stuff about them not being wanted - but "it was them or no trains at all". 

It might be that he's mistaken ... it might be that his information is old ... or it might just be worth checking with someone again.  After all, he IS a director of the company and I'm sure he was briefed before a talk to a national rail conference.  First are vey good at the briefing and staying in line thing!
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« Reply #112 on: November 04, 2007, 09:10:17 pm »

Butting in on this and pulling the thread back on track.   I was up in Ely yesterday listening to a talk by Bob Breakwell - he's a non executive director of FGW (First Great Western) who's been in the industry for many years, and he very specifically mentioned 142s to Cornwall.   Yes, all the stuff about them not being wanted - but "it was them or no trains at all". 

It might be that he's mistaken ... it might be that his information is old ... or it might just be worth checking with someone again.  After all, he IS a director of the company and I'm sure he was briefed before a talk to a national rail conference.  First are vey good at the briefing and staying in line thing!
I don't have any reason not to believe his comment of "it was them or no trains at all" as quite simply other than returning to loco and coaches there really is no spare stock going. 
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« Reply #113 on: November 04, 2007, 10:06:58 pm »

He probably doesnt know where Cornwall is  Huh

I am fairly certain one will stray to Penzance but there are no diagrams for them to do so. Also while Penzance crew will sign them, Par will not so theres NO chance one will go to Newquay/Looe/Gunnislake.
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« Reply #114 on: November 04, 2007, 10:11:56 pm »

He probably doesnt know where Cornwall is  Huh

I am fairly certain one will stray to Penzance but there are no diagrams for them to do so. Also while Penzance crew will sign them, Par will not so theres NO chance one will go to Newquay/Looe/Gunnislake.
or Falmouth without some frantic last minute rostering..........no chance coz they can't even roster day to day turns!
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« Reply #115 on: November 05, 2007, 07:38:15 am »

He probably doesnt know where Cornwall is  Huh

I am fairly certain one will stray to Penzance but there are no diagrams for them to do so. Also while Penzance crew will sign them, Par will not so theres NO chance one will go to Newquay/Looe/Gunnislake.
or Falmouth without some frantic last minute rostering..........no chance coz they can't even roster day to day turns!

And booked turns at that, let alone amended turns!
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« Reply #116 on: November 05, 2007, 08:55:40 am »

He probably doesnt know where Cornwall is  Huh

I am fairly certain one will stray to Penzance but there are no diagrams for them to do so. Also while Penzance crew will sign them, Par will not so theres NO chance one will go to Newquay/Looe/Gunnislake.
There is a diagram to Penzance from Exmouth so not impossible.
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« Reply #117 on: November 05, 2007, 10:50:47 am »

Quote from Andrew Griffiths , who for those new to the forum is FGW (First Great Western) Regional Manager of the Severn / Solent area  :

"I can say quite categorically that no Cardiff-Portsmouth services (or the Brightons) are booked for a 150 - all are 158. 142s not diagrammed for Cornwall either, only Barnstaple-Exmouth-Paignton triangle."

He is going to update the Customer Services Team........
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« Reply #118 on: November 05, 2007, 06:37:37 pm »

There is a diagram to Penzance from Exmouth so not impossible.

The Exmouth to Penzance working is crewed by Par west of Plymouth from December so it wont happen here!
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« Reply #119 on: November 05, 2007, 07:53:48 pm »

There is a diagram to Penzance from Exmouth so not impossible.

The Exmouth to Penzance working is crewed by Par west of Plymouth from December so it wont happen here!
Phew!
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