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Author Topic: Crossrail/Elizabeth Line. From construction to operation - ongoing discussion  (Read 587203 times)
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« Reply #675 on: July 28, 2016, 19:41:17 »

There's also a new  acronymn on the block - ROCS (Rigid Overhead Conductor System) - Rigid Overhead Conductor Systems

Thanks, onthecushions: I've added it to the Coffee Shop forum acronyms / abbreviations page. CfN.
....hmm, need to be careful with that one CfN as it also stands for Railway Operating Centre(s)...... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #676 on: July 28, 2016, 21:42:15 »

Yes, I noticed that there were already several alternative definitions for a few of the abbreviations on that page.  I'll look again at how best to offer clarity in such cases.  Wink
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« Reply #677 on: July 28, 2016, 22:18:36 »


MR (Midland Railway) August gave a spacing of 8.5m for the roof supports in the Severn Tunnel. It depends how "floppy" the beam is and the necessary curvature.

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More to do with line speed, in Canal Tunnels (part of Thameslink) the spacing of the beam supports was 12 meters because the lines speed is 50kph
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« Reply #678 on: July 29, 2016, 11:44:58 »

First pictures of the new trains have now appeared:
Exterior: http://twitter.com/Modern_Railways/status/758964943441960961/photo/1

And a short interior video http://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/758971881500188672/video/1

I notice that it isn't completely longitudinal seating, there are a small number of side-by-side seats.
Travelling all the way from Reading in those longitudinal seats does not look like fun, I guess most commuters from Reading will stick with the GWR (Great Western Railway) trains.
Although I wonder if there will be cheaper Crossrail only season tickets to entice commuters off the GWR trains?
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« Reply #679 on: July 29, 2016, 11:50:58 »

First pictures of the new trains have now appeared:
Exterior: http://twitter.com/Modern_Railways/status/758964943441960961/photo/1

And a short interior video http://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/758971881500188672/video/1

I notice that it isn't completely longitudinal seating, there are a small number of side-by-side seats.
Travelling all the way from Reading in those longitudinal seats does not look like fun, I guess most commuters from Reading will stick with the GWR (Great Western Railway) trains.
Although I wonder if there will be cheaper Crossrail only season tickets to entice commuters off the GWR trains?


I have to be honest they look awful but nothing less than we expected..... on the positive side, I suppose the seat trim will hide the vomit nicely.
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« Reply #680 on: July 29, 2016, 12:31:03 »

I notice that it isn't completely longitudinal seating, there are a small number of side-by-side seats.

There ought to be a significant number of side by side seats over the whole length of the train.  It is the only way of getting the declared total number of seats per train in, which averages out at 50 per carriage.

By comparison LO 378s are fully longitudinal, but only have about 34 seats per car on average.   Although the 345s are 3m longer, they also have an additional set of doors in each car, which will take up nearly all of that 'extra' length.

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« Reply #681 on: July 29, 2016, 12:37:00 »

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There ought to be a significant number of side by side seats over the whole length of the train.  It is the only way of getting the declared total number of seats per train in, which averages out at 50 per carriage.

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Looking at that video there only appear to be 16 side-by-side seats in that carriage, although of course that may not be typical of each carriage and is that video even a whole carriage length?
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« Reply #682 on: July 29, 2016, 13:23:00 »

Looking at that video there only appear to be 16 side-by-side seats in that carriage, although of course that may not be typical of each carriage and is that video even a whole carriage length?

If that was 8 either side of the centre doors only, so 16 per 9 carriages, it would be 144 over the train length, which has 450 seats declared by TfL» (Transport for London - about), so 32%.   I would expect some cars will have flip up seats in stead of longitudinal ones adjacent to some multipurpose wheelchair/pushchair spaces.   

Don't know what bike policy will be on CR1 though, has anyone heard?

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« Reply #683 on: July 29, 2016, 16:46:35 »

Why no yellow ends?
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« Reply #684 on: July 29, 2016, 16:53:28 »

Why no yellow ends?

Because all modern trains have (very) powerful (duplicated) headlights and I can tell you can certainly see those before you can see a yellow end.... Wink
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« Reply #685 on: July 29, 2016, 17:06:10 »

Why no yellow ends?

Because all modern trains have (very) powerful (duplicated) headlights and I can tell you can certainly see those before you can see a yellow end.... Wink

Are the yellow cab ends no longer mandatory? I'm surprised the unions let that one slip past if that is the case...

Should also add that modern light technology (presume most use either LED or HID units these days?) is hugely more reliable than 'old fashioned' incandescent filament bulbs, so the risk of lights failing is very much diminished.
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« Reply #686 on: July 29, 2016, 17:21:08 »

Are the yellow cab ends no longer mandatory? I'm surprised the unions let that one slip past if that is the case...

Should also add that modern light technology (presume most use either LED or HID units these days?) is hugely more reliable than 'old fashioned' incandescent filament bulbs, so the risk of lights failing is very much diminished.

There was stuff online on RSSBs (Rail Safety and Standards Board) website while back, and the process of amending the Rail Group Standard went on for about 2 years.   If the trade unions missed it at the time they mustn't have read the memo, I can't believe they aren't part of such a decision making process.

Of course if someone is determined to cause problems...

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« Reply #687 on: July 29, 2016, 20:20:33 »

More pictures here http://www.londonreconnections.com/2016/pictures-crossrails-trains-make-debut/

On question where do passengers put there luggage as it has no luggage racks?

The interior does really look like a tube train rather than an outer suburban unit (I assume Reading can be classed as outer suburban)
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« Reply #688 on: July 29, 2016, 21:00:11 »

Are the yellow cab ends no longer mandatory? I'm surprised the unions let that one slip past if that is the case...

Should also add that modern light technology (presume most use either LED or HID units these days?) is hugely more reliable than 'old fashioned' incandescent filament bulbs, so the risk of lights failing is very much diminished.

There was stuff online on RSSBs (Rail Safety and Standards Board) website while back, and the process of amending the Rail Group Standard went on for about 2 years.   If the trade unions missed it at the time they mustn't have read the memo, I can't believe they aren't part of such a decision making process.

Of course if someone is determined to cause problems...

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The Trade Unions sit on various RSSB committees in an advisory roll, they would have been consulted as part of the discussions. 

Give me the bright headlights over grubby yellow paint, as S&T (Signalling and Telegraph) Engineer said you can see the head lamps well before the yellow paint
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« Reply #689 on: July 29, 2016, 22:19:59 »

More pictures here http://www.londonreconnections.com/2016/pictures-crossrails-trains-make-debut/

On question where do passengers put there luggage as it has no luggage racks?

The interior does really look like a tube train rather than an outer suburban unit (I assume Reading can be classed as outer suburban)

It always has been a pseudo tube train, which is why there's two schools of thought about the extension to Reading, as seen in a few years of discussions here...

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