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Author Topic: Crossrail - The Elizabeth Line - ongoing discussion, merged topics  (Read 372245 times)
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« Reply #1320 on: January 13, 2020, 08:21:09 am »

This is such an odd situation. The town’s name has been put on the tube map in london but this places it further away in time. It doesn’t appear to be of any advantage to anyone other than increasing local house prices because of initial appearances and TFL’s collection of fares beyond their boundary. As pointed out in the article, Reading has been in within the reach of london for many years so why should anything change. Confusion about what it is until now will possibly lead to it being a disadvantage for the town for the vast majority who don’t work in london. Being on the underground map is unnecessary.
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« Reply #1321 on: January 13, 2020, 09:01:50 am »

This is such an odd situation. The town’s name has been put on the tube map in london but this places it further away in time.
It sounds like an episode of Dr Who.
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« Reply #1322 on: January 24, 2020, 01:22:44 pm »

Re: Crassrail / CrossElizabeth / Tin Lizzie Line / MTR / T4L / whatever ...

- there some discussion threads here:

https://www.mylondon.news/search/?q=crossrail

Crossrail is widely advertised as now running from Paddington to / from Reading. But does it? It was always intended to go as far as Maidenhead, but Twyford?

At Paddington Crossrail is very clearly advertised as only going as far as Twyford. This is highy confusing, especially for visitors or those with Freedom passes.

So having got as far as Twyford, what do folks do? There are few trains that go from Tywford to Reading because Crossrail has taken over all of the GWR local services. What GWR services remain are the hourly Didcots. Very strange.

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https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/10-ways-crossrail-transform-west-17400623

What disgusting and filthy trains. Have passengers noticed how filthy Crosrail trains have become? Already the purple seats are showing wear in the seating bays where idiots put their filthy shoes up onto the opposite seats. There are no announcements, no posters, nor train managers telling them not to do this. And when the weather is filthy the floors of the trains are covered in mud and salt. The trains are not wearing well, and they have only been running for less than a year.

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https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/crossrail-arent-any-toilets-elizabeth-17373708

Crassrail / MTR / TfL states that all stations will have toilets. Not so at Hayes & Harlington. But anyway these would be useless on long journeys for those wth prostate or urinary problems. So suggestions for 'toilets' on the TinLizzy Line are that : a/ men could use water bottles - discretely, and b/ women could use a 'festival shute' and bottle as used by women at music festivals so that they can stand up in men's urinal areas.

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On the new trains why are there no announcements about tissue sellers and beggars being illegal. These are a menace on GWR ad Crossrail trains usually emanating from Slough and travelling between Ealing Broadway and Twyford - likely without tickets.

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Why are there no facilities for the disabled on the new trains, e.g. for wheelchair users? The 'gap' between the trains and platforms is huge. And staff are not always available to help. At best staff to help have to be booked in advance which makes a nonsense of a 'turn up and go' commuter rail service. At Hayes (where they have suicides) the T4L staff tend to congregate around the ticket office, rarely are they seen on the platforms and very rarely on platforms 2 / 3, and not at all when platform 1 is in use.

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Why is the 'shelter' on platforms 4 / 5 at Hayes & Harlington so useless? TfL / MTR / NR have already stated that it will not be improved. It is open to gales, rain and snow. Why are passengers having to suffer because no-one wants to put a decent shelter there? So much for a modern Crossrail service.

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Why will there be no parking for the disabled at Hayes & Harlington Station? Why will there be no drop off / pick up areas at the new station? Black cabs from Heathrow have already 'blacked' serving the station due to being fined whenever they take folks there.

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« Reply #1323 on: January 24, 2020, 03:01:08 pm »

Re: Crassrail / CrossElizabeth / Tin Lizzie Line / MTR / T4L / whatever ...

- there some discussion threads here:

https://www.mylondon.news/search/?q=crossrail

Crossrail is widely advertised as now running from Paddington to / from Reading. But does it? It was always intended to go as far as Maidenhead, but Twyford?

At Paddington Crossrail is very clearly advertised as only going as far as Twyford. This is highy confusing, especially for visitors or those with Freedom passes.

So having got as far as Twyford, what do folks do? There are few trains that go from Tywford to Reading because Crossrail has taken over all of the GWR local services. What GWR services remain are the hourly Didcots. Very strange.

How about Crossrail or TfL Rail or Elizabeth Line?  Your opener gives away your preconceptions that nothing about the service is going to be any good. 

As for what do folks do, they stay on to Reading, as per the timetable. It's been fairly normal for many years for stopping services only to be advertised to the station before the terminus, to avoid confusion with faster services.  eg Stopping services to Oxford are shown as for Radley; at Kings Cross, stopping services to Cambridge are shown as to Foxton. So nothing to do with TfL and a bit of a rant about nothing really. 

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« Reply #1324 on: January 24, 2020, 03:19:08 pm »

But taken seriously on uk.railway ...
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« Reply #1325 on: January 24, 2020, 03:42:29 pm »

When the actual Crossrail platforms are finally in use at Paddington sometime this decade, the practice of displaying a short destination will presumably cease.
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« Reply #1326 on: January 24, 2020, 03:54:31 pm »

Re: Crassrail / CrossElizabeth / Tin Lizzie Line / MTR / T4L / whatever ...

- there some discussion threads here:

https://www.mylondon.news/search/?q=crossrail

Crossrail is widely advertised as now running from Paddington to / from Reading. But does it? It was always intended to go as far as Maidenhead, but Twyford?

At Paddington Crossrail is very clearly advertised as only going as far as Twyford. This is highy confusing, especially for visitors or those with Freedom passes.

So having got as far as Twyford, what do folks do? There are few trains that go from Tywford to Reading because Crossrail has taken over all of the GWR local services. What GWR services remain are the hourly Didcots. Very strange.

How about Crossrail or TfL Rail or Elizabeth Line?  Your opener gives away your preconceptions that nothing about the service is going to be any good. 

Are those (Crassrail etc) CJB's usage? I thought he was using them as examples of what's being said elsewhere.
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« Reply #1327 on: January 24, 2020, 04:08:07 pm »

Re: Crassrail / CrossElizabeth / Tin Lizzie Line / MTR / T4L / whatever ...

- there some discussion threads here:

https://www.mylondon.news/search/?q=crossrail

Crossrail is widely advertised as now running from Paddington to / from Reading. But does it? It was always intended to go as far as Maidenhead, but Twyford?

At Paddington Crossrail is very clearly advertised as only going as far as Twyford. This is highy confusing, especially for visitors or those with Freedom passes.

So having got as far as Twyford, what do folks do? There are few trains that go from Tywford to Reading because Crossrail has taken over all of the GWR local services. What GWR services remain are the hourly Didcots. Very strange.

How about Crossrail or TfL Rail or Elizabeth Line?  Your opener gives away your preconceptions that nothing about the service is going to be any good. 

Are those (Crassrail etc) CJB's usage? I thought he was using them as examples of what's being said elsewhere.
Probably not original, but none of the links reference examples of such usage (as far as I can see), so in that context as an opener it comes across as "I don't like this service so I'm going to complain about everything I can think of." eg, no announcements about tissue sellers being illegal. Hardly important in the grander scheme of things is it.
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« Reply #1328 on: January 24, 2020, 04:47:09 pm »

But taken seriously on uk.railway ...

Maybe, but the Coffee Shop is not uk.railway.   Let's form our own pragmatic views - the (at times) critical friend to the rail industry, pointing out problems and issues where they exist, but looking to understand why they exist and suggesting positive changes where that's possible.  And calling companies and their brand names by a derogatory distortion of their name may be fun once or twice, it may make you feel good, but if you get known for doing it on a regular basis it sours the relationship with the company so that co-operation is limited by mistrust long after the fun is over.

Now - final destination ... should departure boards show the final destination of the passenger service, or the final practical station that passengers will use the train to get to?

As other posters have said, it's not just Paddington to Twyford (or is that Reading?) and Paddington to Radley (or is that Oxford?) - it's also Oxford to Ealing Broadway (or is that Paddington?), Edinburgh Waverley to Kirkcaldy (or is that to Edinburgh Waverley?) and Romsey to Southampton Airport (or is that to Romsey?)

I am happy to be swayed on this one, but I think I prefer the train to be described by the final logical passenger stop; seen too many people (and been caught out once or twice) by getting on a train advertised as going where I want, to be overtaken on the way by a faster train ...

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« Reply #1329 on: January 24, 2020, 06:23:37 pm »

... So having got as far as Twyford, what do folks do? There are few trains that go from Tywford to Reading because Crossrail has taken over all of the GWR local services. What GWR services remain are the hourly Didcots. Very strange...

Glancing at the timetable I see that during the week there seem to be four Twyford-Reading trains every hour during the day and in the early afternoon I noted five in 61 minutes. Some do run very close one to another, and there can be a 23-minute wait.

On the matter of feet-on-seats, I'm a hater too and when I first glanced inside a TFL train my reaction was that the layout seemed to encourage the (mal)practice, unlike with the new FGW trains.

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« Reply #1330 on: January 26, 2020, 02:18:29 pm »

Now - final destination ... should departure boards show the final destination of the passenger service, or the final practical station that passengers will use the train to get to?

As other posters have said, it's not just Paddington to Twyford (or is that Reading?) and Paddington to Radley (or is that Oxford?) - it's also Oxford to Ealing Broadway (or is that Paddington?), Edinburgh Waverley to Kirkcaldy (or is that to Edinburgh Waverley?) and Romsey to Southampton Airport (or is that to Romsey?)

I am happy to be swayed on this one, but I think I prefer the train to be described by the final logical passenger stop; seen too many people (and been caught out once or twice) by getting on a train advertised as going where I want, to be overtaken on the way by a faster train ...


Maybe more useful to have both final destination and "next fastest train to..." boards?
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« Reply #1331 on: January 26, 2020, 03:13:15 pm »

The problem with showing TFL services only going as far as Twyford especially in the peak is that the corrsponding GWR services to Slough, Maidenhead, Twyford and Reading are peak fare services.

A bit confusing for the branches as they are shown as the connecting services. in the Marlow booket T11. 
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« Reply #1332 on: January 27, 2020, 05:56:50 am »

I've noticed that TfL services are now advertised at Paddington as services for Reading, but it flashes to also show via Twyford.
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« Reply #1333 on: January 27, 2020, 10:31:04 pm »

Is there another route then?
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« Reply #1334 on: January 28, 2020, 12:35:10 pm »

Yes, saw that too. However since the semi-fasts also stop at Twyford, don't really think it isan improvement TBH. What is wrong with "Reading - all stations"?
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