Crossrail/Elizabeth Line. From construction to operation - ongoing discussion

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[eightf48544]

The only problem with Bonmbardier getting the Crosrail contract is that we'll get a 378 deriative with longitutinal seats.

Maidoniands won't like that.

I remember seeing a Crossrail mock up in PAdd when the project was first mooted way back, and it was a lovely train. I seem to think  it was 2*2 seating in bays large windows etc.

[Electric train]

Why is it that artists impressions of new stations - shown to illustrate this article - show just a handful of people which if it were to be the typical scene would make the whole thing a white elephant?   (If people answer me on this, I may split it into a separate thread). Compare and contrast to the current number of passengers around - http://www.wellho.net/pix/bhhomea.jpg and http://www.wellho.net/pix/bhhome0.jpg

To show that there will be NO queuing or waiting for trains hence plenty of seats etc, show full and packed platforms would indicate a poor service.

The only problem with Bonmbardier getting the Crosrail contract is that we'll get a 378 deriative with longitutinal seats.
Maidoniands won't like that.
I remember seeing a Crossrail mock up in PAdd when the project was first mooted way back, and it was a lovely train. I seem to think  it was 2*2 seating in bays large windows etc.

The manufacturer will irrelevant Crossrail will specify the seating density, standing space etc remember Crossrail is a "Metro service" while the the good people of Maidenhead may not be happy with longitudinal seating the Tap's will not be any happy as they will only have a few minuets less on board and not have the benefit of peak fasts

[Rhydgaled]

Or perhaps having fewer passengers is just done to make the station design more visible, or just make the scene look more assecticly pleasing?

[anthony215]

The only problem with Bonmbardier getting the Crosrail contract is that we'll get a 378 deriative with longitutinal seats.

Maidoniands won't like that.

I remember seeing a Crossrail mock up in PAdd when the project was first mooted way back, and it was a lovely train. I seem to think  it was 2*2 seating in bays large windows etc.

I do hope it has 2+2 seating rather than the  london overground class 378 interior,  which i think would put a lot of people off using crossrail and they will instead cram onto other services.

Slightly off topic but when will we see network rail likely start installing the wires west of airport jct?

[IndustryInsider]

Slightly off topic but when will we see network rail likely start installing the wires west of airport jct?

Several years away yet.  The first wires to appear will be in the new depot being built west of Reading station due for completion in exactly two years time.  They'll not actually be connected to the juice for a while though.

[paul7575]

The only problem with Bonmbardier getting the Crosrail contract is that we'll get a 378 deriative with longitutinal seats.

What a ridiculous statement to make.  The seating layout will be specified in the ITT^▸ (Invitation to Tender), not chosen by Bombardier.

Paul

[Electric train]

Slightly off topic but when will we see network rail likely start installing the wires west of airport jct?

Several years away yet.  The first wires to appear will be in the new depot being built west of Reading station due for completion in exactly two years time.  They'll not actually be connected to the juice for a while though.

I believe that the banging in of masts in he ground and stringing of wires will look a bit random on the GWML^▸ (Great Western Main Line).  It will not be done as start in the east and work west you could see masts appearing as soon as early 2013 (not much will happen next year in part due to the Olympics and the detailed design has yet to be done) you may even see parts west of Maidenhead as part of the GWML done before Crossrail east of Maidenhead is done.

[paul7575]

It will presumably make a lot of sense to 'bang the masts in' during the Reading Station works, especially those on the routes through the new relief line platfoms while they are still in the green zone... 

Paul

[ChrisB]

The masts will go in as they do major works....it would be silly not to do Reading during this redevelopment, for example. But otherwise -

I believe that the banging in of masts in he ground and stringing of wires will look a bit random on the GWML^▸ (Great Western Main Line).  It will not be done as start in the east and work west you could see masts appearing as soon as early 2013 (not much will happen next year in part due to the Olympics and the detailed design has yet to be done) you may even see parts west of Maidenhead as part of the GWML done before Crossrail east of Maidenhead is done.

Sorry, but please explain? I think they'll want to do the wires & probably the masts in one go, with equipment made specifically for new wire projects. Doing a few yards will complicate the use of this machinery....

[Electric train]

The masts will go in as they do major works....it would be silly not to do Reading during this redevelopment, for example. But otherwise -

I believe that the banging in of masts in he ground and stringing of wires will look a bit random on the GWML^▸ (Great Western Main Line).  It will not be done as start in the east and work west you could see masts appearing as soon as early 2013 (not much will happen next year in part due to the Olympics and the detailed design has yet to be done) you may even see parts west of Maidenhead as part of the GWML done before Crossrail east of Maidenhead is done.

Sorry, but please explain? I think they'll want to do the wires & probably the masts in one go, with equipment made specifically for new wire projects. Doing a few yards will complicate the use of this machinery....

It will not be a few yards at a time, it will be many miles, there will likely be gaps which get filled in so as to take advantage of possessions and or  blockade; as you said Reading will be the first area to see electrification works from what I understand from the team doing the project most likely just foundations for the bolted base masts

[eightf48544]

What a ridiculous statement to make.  The seating layout will be specified in the ITT^▸ (Invitation to Tender), not chosen by Bombardier.

Paul

No agree  but TFL^▸ (Transport for London) will have alot to say about the ITT and they have been going for longitudinal seats in both the 378 and the new S stock etc.

[IndustryInsider]

A Reading MP^▸ (Member of Parliament) has voiced his concerns that extending Crossrail to Reading might not be a good idea.  Some silly arguments used if you ask me, and some sloppy journalism suggesting that Crossrail is more about linking Maidenhead and the west with Acton, rather than central London and Canary Wharf/East London!  I suggest that if any of his constituents that visit this website agree, they write to tell him where he's got it wrong.

http://www.itv.com/meridian-west/mp-no-to-crossrail09573/

[Btline]

Rolls eyes.

[paul7575]

I've always thought of Crossrail at Reading as having a similar role to SWT^▸ (South West Trains) at Reading. 

It's an option for other possible journeys, but not that relevant to people simply wanting to get to London as fast as possible.  As we know from the GW^▸ (Great Western) RUS^▸ (Route Utilisation Strategy), NR^» (Network Rail - home page) are suggesting both Crossrail to Reading  and additional peak only fast line services into Paddington.

Paul

[ChrisB]

But there'll be competition across fares - far cheaper on Crossrail. Splut tge commuters, especially if yoy can save ^1000 upwards with a Crossrail season. Cut overcrowding on GW^▸ (Great Western) HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train)/IEPs^▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project.) too