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Author Topic: Crossrail/Elizabeth Line. From construction to operation - ongoing discussion  (Read 587012 times)
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« Reply #165 on: October 01, 2011, 10:09:10 »

I think that the link Paul has provided really should be taken with a pinch of salt.  For example, I see it states West Drayton will only get two trains an hour off-peak which is half the current frequency, and that Hanwell is only planned to get 2 trains in the peak (as now) after the Crossrail service begins.  I'd expect both to receive better services than that.
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« Reply #166 on: October 01, 2011, 14:08:39 »

I think that the link Paul has provided really should be taken with a pinch of salt.  For example, I see it states West Drayton will only get two trains an hour off-peak which is half the current frequency, and that Hanwell is only planned to get 2 trains in the peak (as now) after the Crossrail service begins.  I'd expect both to receive better services than that.

I tend to agree - I'm sure the eventual service will be completely different, I'd assume more like the London and SE RUS (Route Utilisation Strategy) describes it. 

Call me an optimist if needed, but I suspect one of the underlying reasons for the recently announced delay in the rolling stock tender process is that the number of units needs to allow for whatever different (and yet to be announced) service pattern they eventually decide on...

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« Reply #167 on: October 01, 2011, 18:05:57 »

Optimist! :-)
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« Reply #168 on: October 03, 2011, 11:04:50 »

I had been under the impression for some time that Crossrail would call at all stations, which I thought would increase journey times. But looking at that link from Crossrail, I see that just as now, some trains will not call at all stations.

I hope they increase the off peak frequencies for West Drayton and beyond.
4tph for Heathrow + 4tph Express to Heathrow does seem excessive. The existing Connect services to Heathrow empty out at Hayes leaving only a few people continuing.
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« Reply #169 on: October 03, 2011, 11:17:11 »

It's been mentioned before, but I'd probably wager a small amount of money on Heathrow Express, at least in its current form, ceasing to exist after Crossrail.
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« Reply #170 on: October 05, 2011, 13:27:22 »

I had been under the impression for some time that Crossrail would call at all stations, which I thought would increase journey times. But looking at that link from Crossrail, I see that just as now, some trains will not call at all stations.

I hope they increase the off peak frequencies for West Drayton and beyond.
West Drayton would I expect be served by the 2 tph Paddington to Reading FGW (First Great Western) service in addition to the 2 tph Crossrail service.  It had been planned to run more than 2 tph off peak to Maidenhead but the additional paths were rejected by the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about).  Even if existing frequencies are retained west of Paddington there will still likely be an increase in capacity due to longer trains.
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« Reply #171 on: October 18, 2011, 10:02:01 »

A working group has been set up by the business membership organisation London First to look at the Crossrail 2 scheme, which has been proposed to run from the Chelsea to Hackney areas:

http://www.london-first.co.uk/news/detail.asp?record=227

Two railway heavyweights are part of the group, the chairman is a chap called Andrew Adonis, who you may have heard of!  First's CEO (Chief Executive Officer) Tim O'Toole involved as well.
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« Reply #172 on: October 18, 2011, 11:32:59 »

You certainly get the impression from the London and SE RUS (Route Utilisation Strategy), which TfL» (Transport for London - about) have had a big input to as well, that no one seriously believes Crossrail 2 will be built as a simple tube line, as often previously described.

I think people in authority are definitely coming round to the idea of it taking over the SWML (South Western Mail Line) inner suburbans inbound from Raynes Park, and connecting them to somewhere in the North East, whether that is a branch of the Central Line, or part of the West Anglia mainline remains to be seen. If it is ever successfully argued that Crossrail 1 should run to Reading, then you might also expect somewhere like Woking to be a target. 

I also think if you are going to the trouble of a new tunnel under London it may as well be for proper sized 200/240 m trains, we've probably seen the last of 'tube trains' for new construction...

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« Reply #173 on: December 13, 2011, 21:31:21 »

Interesting article about the Tunnel Boring Machines that are imminently arriving at Royal Oak:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/13/crossrail-unveils-machines-from-germany

On the ground at Royal Oak an overhead gantry crane and other facilities are reaching the end of construction to enable the TBM's to be re-assembled before launch next spring.
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« Reply #174 on: December 14, 2011, 17:59:05 »

On your way into Padd as you go past the old goods shed at Westbourne Park (where the gantry crane has been erected) just to the East of this you can see the first of the TBM cutting heads being put together it is laying flat on the ground.
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« Reply #175 on: December 14, 2011, 20:25:14 »

On your way into Padd as you go past the old goods shed at Westbourne Park (where the gantry crane has been erected) just to the East of this you can see the first of the TBM cutting heads being put together it is laying flat on the ground.

I hope they've chained it securely to a lamp post, what with these being boom times for 'metals recycling'...   Roll Eyes

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« Reply #176 on: December 14, 2011, 20:53:35 »

On your way into Padd as you go past the old goods shed at Westbourne Park (where the gantry crane has been erected) just to the East of this you can see the first of the TBM cutting heads being put together it is laying flat on the ground.

I hope they've chained it securely to a lamp post, what with these being boom times for 'metals recycling'...   Roll Eyes

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« Reply #177 on: December 15, 2011, 13:32:18 »

Article about the Crossrail TBMs here that may be of interest:

http://www.londonreconnections.com/2011/in-pictures-the-crossrail-tbms/

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« Reply #178 on: December 15, 2011, 16:28:09 »

Interesting reading, Paul.  Thanks.
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« Reply #179 on: January 20, 2012, 10:13:00 »

Looks like 2 pieces of the tunnelling machine have arrived alongside the approach to Paddington.

There is a large white tent next to them too.  I guess this is the staging area where all the separate parts will be put together.
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