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« on: March 31, 2011, 17:34:01 »

Network Rail recently installed a mast next to our home and now I am seriously ill when at home and fine as soon as I am away from here.
My doctor has proved that it must be caused by the electromagnetic pulse given off by these base stations there is no other explanation!!!
Visit my website for my story and let me know if you have suffered any effects from any base stations and masts.
http://www.networkrailmasts.co.uk

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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2011, 17:42:05 »

Thanks for posting that introduction, Mikeb - and welcome to the Coffee Shop forum.

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 19:03:22 »

http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2011, 02:28:15 »

good of you to provide proof of network rails admission of guilt
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2011, 12:03:56 »

A neighbour of mine claimed to suffer serious illness from a similar mast.
These symptoms started as soon as the mast was constructed, and long before any equipment thereon was put into use.
Others have claimed illness from the WiFi "cloud" in central London, these symptoms started promptly after the advertising campaign that officialy launched the new service. No increase in illness was reported during the months of unadvertised testing.
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2011, 12:13:01 »

Most of us have wifi in our homes, why do we not have a national epidemic?
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2011, 12:29:45 »

Don't get me wrong I'm not denying that these masts could well cause these symptoms, however not even I the idiot that I am would accuse a company of injuring me without proof and then set up a website stating that network rail have admitted blame without publishing this admission of guilt.
As for radiation worries people would be surprised to see a list of things that give off radiation
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2011, 12:42:08 »

Don't get me wrong I'm not denying that these masts could well cause these symptoms....

You really should deny it, relex. Plenty of proper scientific studies have concluded that there are no adverse health effects from exposure to electromagnetic fields such as those generated by a mobile communications mast.
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2011, 14:23:51 »

surely if these alleged health effects were known as made out to be then surely they would not be permitted to be erected in the first place
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2011, 16:53:32 »

welcome to the forum.  SOrry you are ill and I hope you get better.  But I reserve the right to completely disbelieve that the mast in harming you (at least via its radiowaves rather than the much more plausible mechanism of spoiling your view and making you annoyed and unhappy) until you come up with some better evidence.  Do you even know that the mast is switched on yet?
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2011, 17:32:39 »

From http://www.networkrailmasts.co.uk/services/latest-news

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Have a letter from N.R. to say the mast has never been switched on therefore it can't be the cause of my ill health.Seems odd as I have had tests done on the mast and a graph printed showing the output.
Good news as I can now have tests at home with no mast switched on.

I have no idea how the mast was supposedly tested, and in the absence of any information detailing how the "tests" were conducted and showing the data it's impossible to tell if they have any validity or meaning.

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At last Network Rail admit that their masts can cause mild or serious health problems in some people living close to the base stations.
They sent a World Health Organization letter detailing evidence from around the world showing that some people like myself are affected by the EMF given off by the mast base stations.Something I knew already.
Why then do they place them close to the habitation if there is a concern worldwide about the effects ?
Something my solicitor would like an answer to.

The "WHO letter" is neither reproduced nor cited. However the WHO has an extensive online resourse on this issue which does not really say what the OP (Original Poster / topic starter) claims it does; the link to the full article is http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/WhatisEMF/en/index1.html.

The balance of the article is that there has been extensive research on the issue (they quote 25,000 scientific publications) and no-one has proven any health consequences. As any scientist will tell you it is of course exceedingly difficult to prove a negative, but I'll quote a couple of paragraphs here:

From http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/WhatisEMF/en/index1.html:

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In the area of biological effects and medical applications of non-ionizing radiation approximately 25,000 articles have been published over the past 30 years. Despite the feeling of some people that more research needs to be done, scientific knowledge in this area is now more extensive than for most chemicals. Based on a recent in-depth review of the scientific literature, the WHO concluded that current evidence does not confirm the existence of any health consequences from exposure to low level electromagnetic fields. However, some gaps in knowledge about biological effects exist and need further research.

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Some members of the public have attributed a diffuse collection of symptoms to low levels of exposure to electromagnetic fields at home. Reported symptoms include headaches, anxiety, suicide and depression, nausea, fatigue and loss of libido. To date, scientific evidence does not support a link between these symptoms and exposure to electromagnetic fields. At least some of these health problems may be caused by noise or other factors in the environment, or by anxiety related to the presence of new technologies.
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Electromagnetic hypersensitivity and depression
Some individuals report "hypersensitivity" to electric or magnetic fields. They ask whether aches and pains, headaches, depression, lethargy, sleeping disorders, and even convulsions and epileptic seizures could be associated with electromagnetic field exposure.

There is little scientific evidence to support the idea of electromagnetic hypersensitivity. Recent Scandinavian studies found that individuals do not show consistent reactions under properly controlled conditions of electromagnetic field exposure. Nor is there any accepted biological mechanism to explain hypersensitivity. Research on this subject is difficult because many other subjective responses may be involved, apart from direct effects of fields themselves. More studies are continuing on the subject.

See also Ben Goldacre's excellent article linked by TerminalJunkie above. Essentially the state of the art is that there is no proven link at all between EM radiation and health problems (let's remember that we're not necessarily talking about "scary" ionizing radiation from nuclaer power stations here, light is a type of EM radiation). Whilst people may experience symptoms that are undoubtedly real, the current evidence from the scientific literature is that they are unlikely to be caused by the EMF but more likely a more nebulous collection of environmental/social/psychlogical/other factors that are exceedingly difficult to pin down.

The clincher for me was the articles cited by Goldacre in what I, as a scientist, would call a properly controlled experiment. The basic principle of the method is that someone who claims hypersentivitity to EMF is exposed to a field but in such a way that they have no idea when it is on or when it is off. At risk of over-simplifying by summarizing the results in a few words, these studies apparently show that the test subject can't tell if the EMF is present or not.
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2011, 01:29:38 »

I do however 100% belive that you can make yourself ill by worrying about things terminal junkie please forgive me for this as I am on my phone so no spell check, but is is psychosomatic the correct word
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2011, 01:32:37 »

Spot on!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosomatic_medicine#Connotations_of_the_term_.22psychosomatic_illness.22
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2011, 01:40:45 »

The information I retained from school was as impressive as that learnt from star trek I would be so much better off!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2011, 13:05:14 »

Interesting to see the various replies to my post.
I can tell you for a fact that I am not imagining the effects on my health and my doctor has proved it with a blood pressure monitor over 24 hours.
I would hate anyone to suffer as I have waking at night with what appears to be a the onset of a heart attack.I have seriously high blood pressure at home,fine when I am not here and it goes off the scale to life threatening if I stand 20 metres from the mast.All this has been seen by my doctor and now she tells me it has been researched and proven worldwide that a percentage of the population can be affected in various ways and that my mind cannot alter these tests.
This country chooses to ignore the findings.
My wife and children are so far unaffected
I live 200 metres down a drive in the middle of a field with no neighbours or industry nearby.Just me and now the mast.The doctor,cardiologist and experts in electromagentic radiation can find no other cause.
The expert in the field of EMF finds it amazing that this mast can give off the signals even when switched off !!!!
Apparently I have been told by the cardiologist that it is not the microwaves from these masts which affect anyone but the electromagnetic pulse given off which interferes with your bodies own electric pulse.

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