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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2019, 07:09:52 pm »

No comment (!) on the NRM's decision and how they've publicised it ... sad for the 125 group and so much effort put in. However, I (and I'm sure many more like me) are so, so familiar with the production units are rarely if even saw the prototype. Might not a chance to travel around in a pukka HST for many, many years to come might even be a good compromise that turns out to be even better than the original plan?  And, perhaps a good job that NRM pulled back 41001 now, at a time that others (such as Porterbrook) have power cars with no new homes.
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2019, 10:55:39 pm »

From York Press

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PLANS for a massive expansion of York’s National Railway Museum - including a new Central Hall across Leeman Road - have been given an £18.5 million boost by the Government.

Culture Secretary Nicky Morgan said the money will "kickstart the radical transformation" of a museum at the cultural heart of the York Central redevelopment scheme.

“The exciting new gallery and exhibition spaces will ensure the museum continues to be a huge draw for visitors and a wonderful celebration of our country’s proud railway heritage,” she said.

Museum director Judith McNicol said the funding was "wonderful news" for the museum and city and an extremely significant milestone in realising its £55 million ‘Vision 2025’ campaign to turn the museum into a truly world-class attraction.

What are they planning to show in the new spaces?
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2019, 11:46:10 am »

Unfortunately, the NRM decision to pickle 41001 is absolutely correct. As a unique historic artefact, seminal in high speed development, it cannot be subject to the necessary high wear and tear of continued operation, when a near alternative is available. It's a pity NRM didn't decide this earlier but conditions do change.

While the sudden free gift of two power cars is amazing, it does pose significant problems for the 125 Group. The prototype power car is really a conventional loco, in terms of couplings and ETS. The coaches obtained by the group were therefore loco hauled Mark 3a's, except for the latest TGS. The production power cars have internal EMU (Alliance) couplings and different ETS supplies. Also the control circuits had caused problems with the hauled stock.   

My sympathies are with this outstandingly able group.

Their Swallow-liveried Mark 3a's put the 800's in the shade!

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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2019, 02:35:13 pm »

If that's the reason (though it's not what the NRM are saying), I'm sure the 125 Group would have preferred being told at the outset, before they invested a lot of effort and money in returning it to working order before being pickled.  I've seen reference to something similar happening to one of the Deltics, though don't know any of the background, but could imagine it will be more difficult to get future cooperation from heritage groups. 

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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2019, 07:00:38 pm »


Should others, such as the Swanage Rly where major fund raising is in progress to restore the Nation's/NRM's L&SWR T3 4-4-0 loco to working order, now be especially concerned ?
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2019, 07:22:18 pm »

The T3 was donated to the line in 2017 rather than being loaned
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-48685006
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2019, 08:24:34 pm »

Should others, such as the Swanage Rly where major fund raising is in progress to restore the Nation's/NRM's L&SWR T3 4-4-0 loco to working order, now be especially concerned ?

The T3 was donated to the line in 2017 rather than being loaned
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-48685006

Assuming the BBC to be accurate and there are no strings attached to the donation, that reads to be a different situation to 41001 and (perhaps - have no details) 55002.

I am reminded that when taking on a contract / agreement to work with someone, it's important to look at the end point even in the optimism of the start point.   Sad memories of a decision to take on a 7 year contract for the hotel for a service (equipment plus maintenance). Change of plans after 2 years due to the passing of the company secretary, and no further use for the lease equipment - but no escape clause or offer of any compromise.  We still the  equipment, unused, and continue to pay. Either more fool us, or a gamble that didn't come off.   Every other organisation was very good; last thing you need at such a time is more heartache.    Hope that NRM sees the 125 group right ...
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2019, 09:32:17 am »

Is it just my perception, or does the NRM have form when it comes to misunderstandings of this sort?
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2019, 09:36:46 am »

Is it just my perception, or does the NRM have form when it comes to misunderstandings of this sort?

I would expect so - they are museum curators, and the 125 Group ... aren't. calling them enthusiasts would miss the point that a lot of them are very experienced and qualified, but they are bound to look at things (big old mechanical things in particular) in quite a different way from the NRM's writers of protocols for loans.
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