Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
I need help
About .
No recent travel & transport from BBC stories as at 22:15 21 Sep 2023
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 23/09/23 - Blandford Model Rail Show
03/10/23 - 40th Anniversary TMC reopening
07/10/23 - Fareham Model Rail exhibition
22/10/23 - Wimborne 'O' Gauge show

On this day
21st Sep (2020)
~ Traction decarbonisation strategy published (*)

Train RunningCancelled
20:03 London Paddington to Plymouth
21:04 London Paddington to Plymouth
22:10 Severn Beach to Bristol Temple Meads
22:21 St Erth to St Ives
22:48 St Ives to Penzance
Short Run
19:45 Great Malvern to London Paddington
20:30 Carmarthen to Bristol Parkway
18:03 London Paddington to Penzance
18:36 London Paddington to Plymouth
20:15 Penzance to Plymouth
PollsThere are no open or recent polls
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
September 21, 2023, 10:26:29 pm *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[154] Carriage, coach, or car?
[106] Templecombe Station reopened October 3rd 1983.
[101] Hear about FoSBR work in Bristol and their growth to the Brist...
[94] Rail unions strike action 2022/2023
[82] 18 years ago today - 20th September 2005 - Inaugural Save the ...
[44] Bus stop display stuff
News: the Great Western Coffee Shop ... keeping you up to date with travel around the South West
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: 1 ... 7 8 [9]
Author Topic: Western Rail Access to Heathrow  (Read 46439 times)
Full Member
Posts: 30

View Profile
« Reply #120 on: February 19, 2014, 07:59:27 am »

It would be good to see Airtrack resurrected again, but any new proposal will have to deal with the level crossing issue that got so many local residents riled up. A timely dovetail with the NR» (Network Rail - home page) crossing closure program might kill two birds with the same stone?
Posts: 8

View Profile
« Reply #121 on: February 19, 2014, 09:10:50 am »

...Airtrack resurrected ...... the level crossing issue

The NR» (Network Rail - home page) crossing closure program has mainly been isolated crossings in rural areas; the problem with Airtrack was the level crossings are in heavily trafficked urban areas.

The July 2012 L&SE RUS (Route Utilisation Strategy) (Option J3) proposed as an interim measure extending the existing HEx line from T5 to a re-built Staines station , allowing time for a measured review of the level crossing problem. Also it is questionable if Reading needs a semi-fast Airtrack service via Staines to T5, when WRAP (WRAtH (Western Rail Access to Heathrow)) will provide a similar service via the GWML (Great Western Main Line).
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
Posts: 6921

View Profile
« Reply #122 on: February 19, 2014, 10:18:32 am »

The Airtrack TWA was really about extending the line from T5 to Staines - reinstating it, if you prefer - in the sense that that was the only unavoidable bit of major works. I was always baffled that it need to have all this detailed consideration of how many trains run over a level crossing miles away. TWAs don't usually say much if anything about services - look at the one for Reading, it has not a word.

So why not just do that bit, and have all the arguments about the value of protecting Staines Moor from having a railway squeezed in alongside the M25, and extend trains to Staines ASAP. In terms of journey opportunities or travel times to the Airport that give 80-90% of the benefits of the whole Airtrack scheme. Any ideas about direct trains further, and putting in (or, again, reinstating) the Chord, need to be justified against changing at Staines.

How many trains run through Wokingham is an entirely separate issue. No-one really expected Airtrack to be a stand-alone branded service anyway, and if it ran as part of an SWT (South West Trains) franchise that would set the service level. (Though I do wonder whether DfT» (Department for Transport - about) could or would set a maximum number of trains to protect road users at the crossing.)

The other big issue that would need to be dealt with at this first stage is rail traffic (i.e. passengers) through Heathrow. The various parties have different interests in this, most obviously HAL who would like to prevent it altogether. Transport systems types would love an interchange at the airport, though I suspect the T5 "box" may not be big enough to hold all their aspirations at once.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 10:57:35 am by stuving » Logged
Posts: 8

View Profile
« Reply #123 on: February 19, 2014, 10:48:10 am »

@ stuving

Fully agree T5 - Staines is a stand alone project, with no road level crossings along its route. Also it does not require a dedicated fleet of trains with a special maintenance depot at Feltham, which accounted for much of the cost. My own opinion is BAA threw the baby out with the bath water, when they cancelled the whole Airtrack project.

Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

Pages: 1 ... 7 8 [9]
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page