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Author Topic: Chiltern Mainline: Nice & Fast!  (Read 108437 times)
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« on: September 05, 2011, 23:50:09 »

As promised, here is a review of "The new way to get to London - Chiltern Railways!"

After an intense and nail biting set of engineering works, the Chiltern Mainline launched today, with commuters celebrating up and down the route. Upon boarding the 8.09am to Marylebone, audible gasps were heard when the list of stops was announced. Or should I say, LACK of stops! "At last - they've AXED all stops south of Warwick Parkway." "I always knew that stop at Dorridge was always a waste of time..." There was a buzz onboard - these people had had an extra 40 mins in bed and now were speeding to the capital at 100 mph in a clean and comfortable Clubman train.

Regrettably, a catastrophic set of signal failures (fault of the contractors not Chiltern) threatened to derail the timetable and turn the days commute into CHAOS! Luckily, emergency engineers screeched to a halt in Network Rail vans at the signals and fixed the problems. Nevertheless, the crawl through Haddingham and Thames Parkway (branded the "new station for Oxford") caused many a commuter to mop their brow - not knowing whether they'd see the M25 this side of Christmas. Result - 10 minutes late arrival, but still an impressive 2 hrs 30 mins after departure (1hr 20 for Warwick!).

Returning on the 6.07pm, savvy commuters noticing a loco hauled train in platform 3 jumped the queue to board before the notorious and much feared daily "crush" when the Kidderminster train is announced. However, thanks to the new timetable - Banbury and Leamington Spa commuters now have a 6.10pm service, taking the pressure of the normal "sardine" conditions of the 6.07pm. Regrettably, staff made no announcement that the these stops had been axed until after departure, resulting in a near RIOT. Nevertheless, the train left and all was going well until DISASTER STRUCK! Signal failure at Ruslip. Luckily only 15 mins delay, then we sped on, passing through station after station with evidence of Chiltern's multimillion pound investment in car parks. At Gerrards Cross, who's new multi-storey was at bursting point, the bulldozers were ready to create more space. Of course - who couldn't resist the new sub 20 minute journey time and new rolling stock?

All in all - the mood was good on the train, with commuters no longer having to endure the torture of stopping everywhere after Banbury. The 6.07 had pretty much ALL seats round a table plus had a buffet car and business zone - a great initiative by Chiltern that threatens to derail the entire First Class system. Unfortunately, the onboard WiFi was unusable. Fellow commuters struggled to stay online, but had to switch to their Blackberry's or "The Metro" for entertainment. Commuters chuckled at the headline advert for Chiltern: "Still a Virgin? Try us!" The tables have been turned on Virgin, who's appalling Chiltern SNAILways adverts were slammed. At Warwick Parkway, tired commuters literally skipped down the platform, as they realised that (despite the delay) they'd get home to their families earlier from then on. The Banbury ones trudged over to Platform 1, vowing never to board a train again, without reading the departures board first...

An impressively fast run across Anyho - a perfect example of Chiltern's well targeted investment - turned to NIGHTMARE conditions as we got stuck behind a Centro all stops service. Commuters jaws dropped as we crawled through places who's names we never through we see or hear of again! "Widney Manor, Olton? Oh no!". Luckily, someone in the signal box had the sense to hold the stopper at Snow Hill to let the express service pass. As the Chiltern service pulled up alongside the LM (London Midland - recent franchise) stopper at Snow Hill there was a near SCRUM as passengers rushed to transfer to a decent train. A good run meant we arrived in Kidderminster less than 10 minutes late.

Summary: Nice & Fast?

Nice? Most certainly!
Fast? Definitely - especially once the infrastructure is more reliable.

Virgin, LM and FGW (First Great Western) - watch out!
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2011, 00:53:55 »

Should anyone else wish to experience the new Mainline service in the coming weeks then Chiltern have a special offer running until 23rd September with fares on the fast peak services at ^1 each way. Limited availability. Once they're gone, they're gone.

http://www.chilternrailways.co.uk/content/%C2%A31-offer-booking
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2011, 01:37:09 »

Ah, welcome to the parallel universe, where late trains each way equals a triumph, where signal testing over-running by two days, even after this phase was postponed earlier in the year due to a fear of over-running, is "an intense and nail biting set of engineering works", where things going wrong are the fault of the contractors and nothing to do with the company that hired them, a whole new station appears (maybe that's why it's the "new station for Oxford"?) - I take it you were trying to type Haddenham & Thame but were clearly over-excited - passengers get over-carried due to lack of timely information on the day of a major timetable change, tired (how, after all that extra time in bed?) commuters literally skipped down the platform (oh come off it) and my personal favourite
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business zone - a great initiative by Chiltern that threatens to derail the entire First Class system
- if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Chiltern are a train operator - a good one - but not the answer to life, the universe and everything. And not all their passengers are happy with the new timetable, but then they use intermediate stations and don't all want to go to London, so who cares what they think?
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2011, 03:22:53 »

Morning 'Mainline' services arriving into Marylebone on Monday 5th September (times ex Birmingham Moor Street):

0546: On time
0619: 5 late
0655: 3 late
0733: 8 late
0815: 8 late
0825: 5 late
0855: 10 late
0915: 3 late
0955: 8 late
1015: 20 late
1055: 8 late
1115: 11 late
1155: 1 late

For the rest of the day only 4 'Mainline' arrivals into Marylebone were on time.



Afternoon/evening 'Mainline' services arriving into Birmingham Moor Street (times ex London Marylebone):

1437: 7 late
1507: On time
1537: 3 late
1607: 3 late
1630: 4 late
1650: On time
1707: On time
1737: 3 late
1807: 18 late
1810: 10 late
1915: 11 late
1937: 8 late
2010: 5 late

For the rest of the day, 8 services into Birmingham Moor Street were on time.


Out of a total of 62 'Mainline' services, only 16 had on time arrivals at either Marylebone or Moor Street. An inauspicious start.

....turned to NIGHTMARE conditions as we got stuck behind a Centro all stops service. Commuters jaws dropped as we crawled through places who's names we never through we see or hear of again! "Widney Manor, Olton? Oh no!". Luckily, someone in the signal box had the sense to hold the stopper at Snow Hill to let the express service pass.

And the reason the 1807 was stuck behind that Centro service? Because you were already running, on average, 10 mins late from South Ruislip onward. So the delays through to Birmingham and onward to Kidderminster were not the fault of London Midland (Centro). In fact holding the stopper at Snow Hill made it 12 mins late into Worcester Shrub Hill. So arguably, not a good decision by the signal box. Two late trains instead of one.
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2011, 11:38:44 »

Btline, I can't seem to find the Press Release from the Chiltern Website that you have quoted. Perhaps you can direct me to it?

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2011, 15:42:08 »

D/M: Credit to you for seeing the tongue in cheek of my post, which was meant to be lighthearted in nature. Wink

Willc: For goodness sake - chill out! It can't be good for your health. Nothing more to say.

BNM: Whilst there were delays, these were down to a plethora of signal failures not the timetable or "mainline" concept. I therefore feel the launch was pretty successful. There are issues for local commuters, but that'll be a matter of adding a stop here, axing a stop there, making one service 4 to 8 car, another 8 to 4, etc. It won't affect "Mainline". The B'ham trains always missed out stops, and in fact the new timetable has some longer distance trains (e.g. 6.10) stopping at places like Beaconsfield.
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2011, 20:14:25 »

You're so right. Trying to rebut your one-eyed, distorted view of things is utterly pointless, since you are so obviously right and all the rest of us are just so wrong. I've nothing more to say except goodbye.
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2011, 20:31:22 »

BNM: Whilst there were delays, these were down to a plethora of signal failures not the timetable or "mainline" concept.

No signal failures logged as far as I could ascertain. There were (and still are) TSRs (Temporary Speed Restriction) in some places, as the engineering was late finishing. Other delays were down to train faults and non-ascribed, i.e. just late running.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2011, 21:36:03 »

Another offer from Chiltern. This time one offering a weeks free travel from "Oxford's other station", Haddenham & Thame Parkway, to Marylebone, along with 3 weeks free car-parking.

The offer is available to anyone with an existing monthly or longer season ticket on a non-Chiltern route to London.

Further details:

http://www.chilternrailways.co.uk/haddenham
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2011, 23:19:54 »

No - there were signal failures. Chiltern twitter and the Chiltern/Network Rail confirmed this, as did the guard on both my trips. There were some TSRs (Temporary Speed Restriction), but they had little impact, as we didn't slip behind much more.

One bad thing was that the driver of the loco + coaches constantly crawled into every station stop at about 5mph. Not sure that was needed - we could have made up time.

You're so right. Trying to rebut your one-eyed, distorted view of things is utterly pointless, since you are so obviously right and all the rest of us are just so wrong. I've nothing more to say except goodbye.

Groan - the above quote says more about you than about me. As I said, my post was light hearted. As for you - every time anyone says anything you disagree with or anyone says anything you think is stupid/ignorant, you attack them with vitriol. Other people have different opinions - deal with it.

What do people think about Chiltern branding Haddenham as Oxford's new station? Is it quite a way away, but could tempt commuters who drive to OXF» (Oxford - next trains) through rush hour traffic.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2011, 07:05:36 »

Ah gosh ... let's not let the passionate drift too much into the personal (I know it's all too easy for it to happen).
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2011, 09:19:40 »

Re the crawling into stations could be the type of ATP (Automatic Train Protection). Aas I understand it the Chiltern system doesn't have the advanced trigger that the GWML (Great Western Main Line) has thus you don't get a release until close to the signal.
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2011, 10:55:46 »

Re the crawling into stations could be the type of ATP (Automatic Train Protection). Aas I understand it the Chiltern system doesn't have the advanced trigger that the GWML (Great Western Main Line) has thus you don't get a release until close to the signal.

That would explain it, except it happened all the way to Kidderminster - which doesn't have ATP. If it is necessary, then they need to account for it in timetables.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2011, 11:37:05 »

Re the crawling into stations could be the type of ATP (Automatic Train Protection). Aas I understand it the Chiltern system doesn't have the advanced trigger that the GWML (Great Western Main Line) has thus you don't get a release until close to the signal.

I don't know how acurate the BVE train sim trains I have are, but the braking distance of the top & tail WSMR (Wrexham, Shropshire and Marylebone Railway) mark 3 rake with 67s is much longer than the other trains I have on it. If this is the case with real 67s, maybe the drivers are being extra cauious and slowing earlier to ensure they don't miss the stop?
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2011, 16:42:12 »

67s/DVTs(resolve) don't have ATP (Automatic Train Protection).

It will most likely be a defensive driving policy/unfamiliarity of stock.
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