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Author Topic: Charlbury and Hanborough Stations - service improvements and car parking  (Read 56054 times)
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« Reply #75 on: August 17, 2013, 19:42:32 »

I have passed II's question to FGW (First Great Western) as I am receiving the same question from local rail users.

When the car park was officially opened last month I was predicting that it would not be open for use before the end of September. Knowing how long things usually take to actually happen in the railway world, I wouldn't dare predict when it might open!
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« Reply #76 on: October 14, 2013, 13:06:18 »

The new access ramp to the new car park at Hanborough has now opened, so the long walk round is now not necessary.  Quite a neat little design solution it is as well. 

Now for Pershore car park.  Any news on that one anyone?
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« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2014, 19:37:38 »

From the Witney Gazette:

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Traffic at Hanborough station jumps by 25 per cent in one year


Andrew Wilkins, of the Cotswold Line Promotion Group, at Hanborough station as passengers get off an afternoon peak train from Oxford

A 25 per cent rise in passenger numbers has seen Hanborough railway station overtake Kingham to become the second busiest in West Oxfordshire after Charlbury.

Figures released by the Office of Rail Regulation show that between April 2012 and March last year, 172,684 journeys were made from and to Hanborough, up from 137,454 in the previous 12 months.

A decade ago, 69,997 journeys were recorded there.

And the increase came before a ^400,000 extension to the station car park was opened last July, with spaces for 191 cars to accommodate demand from commuters driving to the station from Witney, Woodstock, and other parts of the district.

Train operator First Great Western said growth had continued, though at a slower pace, since the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) figures were compiled.

The Cotswold Line Promotion Group, which represents passengers on the Oxford-Worcester route, now wants to see the three-coach platform extended and improved facilities for passengers provided at the station, which is off Main Road in Long Hanborough.

John Ellis, the group^s chairman, said: ^The CLPG» (Cotswold Line Promotion Group - about) is delighted by the figures showing the growth in passengers at Hanborough, which must be contributing to reducing congestion on roads around Oxford. This growth is now producing problems of capacity for passengers getting on to and off trains at Hanbor-ough's short platform. We hope that FGW (First Great Western) and Network Rail will progress the case for a longer platform in the near future.^

And the group^s treasurer, Andrew Wilkins, who is also the parish transport representative for Hanborough, added: ^Hanborough now has higher numbers of passengers than Kingham, which has a booking clerk on duty each morning, but no regular staff presence. I think there is now a good case for some staffing at Hanborough, in the morning peak in particular, to improve customer service.^

An FGW spokesman said the company was looking into the possibility of a platform extension but there were no plans to provide staff at present.

He added: ^We are pleased to see an increase in passengers using our stations. We are continually looking for ways to improve the customer experience. Whether that is through additional capacity or better facilities at our stations, we are willing to make the investment to ensure we offer the best service possible.^

Although Kingham was overtaken by Hanborough, there was also an increase in traffic there, from 156,668 passenger journeys in 2011-12, to 169,496 in 2012-13, a rise of eight per cent.

Charlbury remains the busiest station on the Cotswold Line, with a total of 271,738 journeys recorded, up from 253,202 in 2011-12, a rise of 7.3 per cent, keeping it ahead of Evesham, in Worcestershire, where 258,190 journeys were made.

Shipton station, which serves Shipton and Milton-under-Wychwood, saw a 7.4 per cent increase in traffic, with 5,028 journeys recorded, up from 4,680 in 2011-12.

There were falls in traffic at Ascott-under-Wychwood, from 2,702 journeys to 2,484; at Combe, down from 2,838 to 2,112 journeys; and Finstock, from 1,982 to 1,970. All three have a limited train service.
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« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2014, 17:38:56 »

Looking forward to the 75% drop after Oxford Parkway opens!!  Grin

Can we drop Kingham from peak HSTs (High Speed Train) now then? Tongue
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« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2014, 19:01:16 »

Unless something is done to improve frequency of CL trains I am pretty sure that there will be loss of traffic in West Oxon from the CL to Chiltern. However I do not think it would be as high as 75%.
FGW (First Great Western) management is very aware of this possibility and have aspirations for increasing the CL frequency using the Charlbury terminating facilities. However it would involve some investment (that I am not at liberty to mention) and which at present has no finance available to permit such investment. However this will be competition in action and that is what privatisation was supposed to be all about. 
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« Reply #80 on: March 28, 2014, 21:28:54 »

Hopefully FGW (First Great Western) will let Oxford Parkway hoover up the commuters and concentrate on improving the service to Worcester by ditching some West Oxon calls.

Hanborough station will be pointless. It will be quicker and cheaper to go via Chiltern. Not to mention more reliable, better rolling stock, etc.
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« Reply #81 on: March 28, 2014, 21:30:35 »

One assumes the cheque is in the post from Chiltern, btline?  Tongue Wink Grin
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« Reply #82 on: March 28, 2014, 21:50:19 »

Hopefully FGW (First Great Western) will let Oxford Parkway hoover up the commuters and concentrate on improving the service to Worcester by ditching some West Oxon calls.

Hanborough station will be pointless. It will be quicker and cheaper to go via Chiltern. Not to mention more reliable, better rolling stock, etc.

As I understand it, Reading has fairly sizeable inward commuting traffic these days. How will Chiltern cater for those passengers from Hanborough heading there?

I have no doubt it will abstract some traffic. But equally I suspect the congested roads around north Oxford will mean that many will prefer a reliable quick journey to a nice small station, particularly for those currently west of Hanborough. I can't imagine too many people from Witney would choose to use it as an example.
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« Reply #83 on: March 28, 2014, 21:51:16 »

Big argument to be had - HSTs (High Speed Train) ex-Hanborough or 172s ex-Oxford Parkway! There'll be no guarantee of 168s any longer
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« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2014, 18:44:54 »

John R is quite correct.

It is incorrect to compare the travelling time from Hanborough to London with the Oxford Parkway forecast timings.
As I know only too well as I have to travel from Hanborough to Watereaton P & R regularly, at peak hour it can take anything up to an hour to do the 7 miles or so from Hanborough to Watereaton. Those people currently commuting to London on the early morning trains (6.15 & 6.35) should be able to get to Watereaton in 30 minutes or a bit less from Hanborough. However from before 07.00 traffic heading east on the A4095 can be as congested as the the main A40, just crawling. Just 10 days ago it took me 30 minutes to do the 3-4 miles from Hanborough to Woodstock departing at 08.00. The small number of Hanborough users from Woodstock may also be able to get to Watereaton in a shorter time as the distance is less. If one is making the comparison on time I do not think there is likely to be a big loss of traffic at Hanborough especially when the car user will have to add about another ^2 of fuel to the overall cost for the longer journey from West Oxon to Watereaton. However some people will be prepared to accept the aforesaid constraints simply because a 30 minute frequency from Watereaton will give the traveller greater flexibility in travel arrangements to London.
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« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2014, 16:29:46 »

Big argument to be had - HSTs (High Speed Train) ex-Hanborough or 172s ex-Oxford Parkway! There'll be no guarantee of 168s any longer

But it won't be. half the time it will be a 166 (which is WORSE than a Chiltern 165) or delayed or cancelled.

Faster journey times, lower fares, more frequent, more reliable, more punctual, more chance of a seat.
Frustrated commuters will switch to Chiltern as they have further up the line.

Some commuters already drive to Banbury or H & Thame Parkway.
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« Reply #86 on: April 17, 2014, 17:06:04 »

The majority of the Weekday service at Hanborough is provide by 180s or HSTs (High Speed Train) now, and the 180s are now much more reliable. There are only 3 down and 4 up services formed of Turbos on the Cotswold Line Mondays-Fridays now. 3 of those are the Moreton-in-Marsh terminators and the other the morning halts trains. All peak time services to/from London are reliably HSTs.
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« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2014, 18:22:58 »


But it won't be. half the time it will be a 166 (which is WORSE than a Chiltern 165) or delayed or cancelled.

Faster journey times, lower fares, more frequent, more reliable, more punctual, more chance of a seat.
Frustrated commuters will switch to Chiltern as they have further up the line.

If the service is so rubbish, and commuters are so frustrated, can you explain how the number of passengers using Hanborough station has risen by over 100% in the last five years (84,000 in 2007/8 to 173,000 in 12/13). And how after 7 years of static numbers to 09/10, Charlbury's E&E have risen steadily over the last three years (232,000 to 272,000). 
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« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2014, 19:03:20 »

I can't see that many people will be going straight to Oxford Parkway. The service has to prove itself first. Also ticket prices and eventual journey times will play a key factor. The type of rolling stock doesn't bother the everyday short distance passenger as long as a train turns up on time and they get a seat.

Hanborough station is proving more and more popular with commuters and leisure passengers alike.Chiltern seem to be making improvements to their DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) fleet and also their loco hauled services. However it doesn't mean that FGW (First Great Western) aren't going to with their trains.

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« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2014, 19:42:06 »

When Chiltern start operating from Oxford Parkway I think there will be some current Hanborough traffic lost and that will probably be off-peak traffic when there is less traffic congestion on the roads between West Oxon and Oxford Parkway. Peak hour traffic is far less likely to to move from Hanborough to Oxford Parkway because few people commuting regularly would want to double their overall travel time as it can take almost an hour at peak hours to do the 7 miles from Hanborough to Oxford Parkway. If as BTLine suggest there would be an enormous switch, that traffic congestion would get even worse than it is today.
Ironically, Oxon CC has recently announced a "Connecting Oxfordshire" traffic policy with cost put at ^800M but no indication as to where the money to pay for it would come from (apart from the rail projects that we know about already for which much of the finance would come from Network Rail) and talks about monorail and tramways around Oxford. However apart from a mention of a short link road from west of the A34 Oxford Ring road to connect with the A44 roudabout north of Oxford, nothing is proposed for relieving the current and increasing traffic congestion in West Oxon. This link road would only play at a solution. When the current proposals for 5,000 new homes in Witney and Carterton come into play with a significant proportion of such home occupiers needing to commute on the A40 eastwards and with a much biigger increase in rat runners travelling on the A4095 through Hanborough for Oxford and the M40, it would take even longer to get from West Oxon to Oxford Parkway. Since the local plan proposals for these 5,000 houses another plan has announced that even more houses will be needed in Oxfordshire, (115,000?) by 2030 although some of these homes would be additional to West Oxon, many would expand Oxford into the Green Belt probably filling the current green zone between Oxford and Kidlington and Yarnton resulting in even more road congestion leading to Oxford Parkway.
What a prospect for Oxfordshire. The future is bleak in deed!
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