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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2011, 14:42:40 »

I thought that the through services sometimes get re-routed through Manchester Victoria at weekends.

Diverting via Victoria doesn't always mean using the Denton line.

TPE (Trans Pennine Express) do divert via Victoria during engineering works but don't use the Denton line.  I don't think the Denton line is even cleared for 185s and 170s.

The TPE services from the Leeds direction would take to Victoria would be the same as Northern Rail's Huddersfield-Victoria stopper.  If it's an Airport service it would usually go to Salford, reverse, then go to the Airport via Piccadilly - which requires going through platforms 13 and 14 at Piccadilly.  If it's a Liverpool service it would go via Newton-le-Willows to Liverpool.

EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about) and TPE services from the Sheffield direction would terminate short and have a replacement bus service.

Northern don't operate any services between Buxton/Hazel Grove and Preston/Blackpool on Sundays.  The through service they do operate is a Chester-Stockport-Southport service, which during engineering works they terminate short and run replacement bus services.

However, if engineering works occur on a Saturday or Bank Holiday affecting Stockport-Deansgate then Northern will run the services between Buxton/Hazel Grove and Preston/Blackpool via the Denton line and Victoria. 

The reason I said about it being unlikely that the Wigan-Buxton service would have used the Denton line is because it's either operated by a Picaddilly crew who don't sign the Denton line or there would be a crew change at Manchester Oxford Rd, so diverting via Victoria would cause crew problems, unless there was a spare crew at Victoria who sign both the Denton line and the Buxton line.

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And a question about resilience, given the critical importance of those two platforms to the network in the North West.

To make matters worse long freight trains for Trafford Park have to pass through those two platforms.  GMPTE (Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Executive. Now TfGM (Transport for Greater Manchester. )) converted the alternative route to Metrolink!

That's precisely why there are plans to have platform 15 and 16 at Piccadilly.  Although, in a speech given in Leeds Ms Villers recently went in to detail about all the funding that had been spent on the rail - billions of it in London and then said the projects earmarked for the North will cost hundreds of millions, which we may not be able to find, meaning platforms 15 and 16 at Piccadilly may be at risk.  Although, eletrification projects are safe.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2011, 15:52:41 »

Does anybody know what actually happened to the TPE (Trans Pennine Express) trains on the day and also Norwich to Liverpool EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about) services
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2011, 16:16:18 »

Does anybody know what actually happened to the TPE (Trans Pennine Express) trains on the day and also Norwich to Liverpool EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about) services

The newspaper article posted by bignosemac gives the answer for TPE's Scarborough-Liverpool service.  Blackpool/Cumbria/Scotland to Manchester Airport services would have almost certainly terminated at Manchester Oxford Road and started their return working short. 

Other TPE services should have been able to run their full route but with delays.  Although, there was also a signalling problem near Huddersfield at the same time so some of the North TPE services may have terminated short due to running very late.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2011, 12:01:34 »

From whats been said on WNXx its sounds as if 175110 is getting a new engine etc and should be back in services around 20th november
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2011, 18:55:05 »

always been against converting heavy rail to metrolink! takes away any possibility of taking freight off the roads and back onto rail
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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2011, 11:12:57 »

Stupid thing is you don't have to convert run dual voltage trams for passenger and heavy rail as required. It may be sensible to lower the station platforms but not necessarily if you are happy with platforms in the middle of your town as Manchester.

Go to Karlsruhr, Kassel for trams, ICEs, ICs (Inter City), RE (Religious Education), RB,  freight trains plus even teh occsional stam special sharing teh same tracks.

But my favurite is Norhausen.

Meter gauge regular 1897/195X steam locos,  198X diesel railcars, 2002 ED trams which run over the town network under electric power.

Plus coverted standard gauge diesel locos hauling 4, loaded 100 tonne standard gauge bogie ballast hopper wagons on rollboks.

Now thats how to use a railway line.
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