Chiltern Evergreen 3 project - ongoing discussion

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[ChrisB]

You're right - I need to check with my NR^» (Network Rail - home page) contact how much of Phase 1 needs to be complete for DEc 12.

[IndustryInsider]

None of Phase 1 needs to be complete, (though work has now started).  Chiltern's service can operate, on a slightly more restrictive basis than the final layout, as long as Phase 0 is complete.  Both phases are available to download on this page:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/great-western-route-modernisation/oxford/

[ChrisB]

According to the map, initially (until Phase 1 is complete), they'll actually also cross over to the 'down Bletchley' for a short while before joining the 'up Jericho bi-di' not the 'up relief'.

Which map? The one I attached? That's phase 1....but as you correctly mention below, it's phase 0 to bbe complete by Dec 12. On the phase 0 map you mentioned, it's clearly marked 'Up Relief'. so I think you are mistaken. It will be called that on completion of phase 0.

Again, according to the map, they'll use the 'up Jericho bi-di' not the 'up relief' before the vast majority will take the route you describe

See above - by Dec 12, it's called Up Relief.

[IndustryInsider]

I think it's going to be called 'Up Relief' from Wolvercote Junction to Oxford North Junction, then 'Up Jericho Bi-Di' or something very similar from Oxford North Junction to Oxford station.  Either way, I'll confirm when I know for sure.

[ChrisB]

I know for sure - from NR^» (Network Rail - home page)'s Project Senior Sponsor....which is where my info came from initially, but now have it in writing

Following the commissioning of Phase 1, in 2018, it will be call the “UP Relief” all the way from Wolvercote Junction to Oxford station.

That should defuse any arguments!

I suspect he's a reader on here :-)

[IndustryInsider]

Thanks for that confirmation, ChrisB.  The Phase 1 map is indeed correct then - I hadn't spotted it was differently labelled on the Phase 0 and Phase 1 maps.  Do we know if it will be called that from the completion of Phase 0 this December to the Completion of Phase 1 in 2018?

[ChrisB]

I've asked the question....

[SandTEngineer]

I know for sure - from NR^» (Network Rail - home page)'s Project Senior Sponsor....which is where my info came from initially, but now have it in writing

Following the commissioning of Phase 1, in 2018, it will be call the “UP Relief” all the way from Wolvercote Junction to Oxford station.

That should defuse any arguments!

I suspect he's a reader on here :-)

Well that's very strange because on the Signalling Scheme Plans its called the 'Up Oxford Relief' and it extends all the way from Wolvercote Junction to Hinksey North (in the final layout).

[ChrisB]

Is that *after* Phase 1 is complete? Because that is what we are discussing :-)

[IndustryInsider]

It is what we're currently discussing, although you did state it was 'Up Relief' from Dec 12th a few posts ago.

[ChrisB]

And I suspect SandTEngineer is looking at something that is current. It may well be called that now, but we're discussing either post Dec 12, or post Phase 1. Why would the Signalling Scheme Plans show future names?

[IndustryInsider]

I think the signalling scheme plans he has privileged access to are plans for the future that those responsible for delivering the upgrades work to.  'Up Oxford Relief' does tally with the 'UOR' label on the opentraintimes map.

Certainly that line has never been the 'Up Relief' so far.  It was called the 'Up Goods Loop' until mid-2009 when a small signalling scheme meant its name changed to the 'Down Jericho' which is what it was called until the current upgrade work started.

[chuffed]

Wow, Chris B looks as if he might be in the wrong. Is this a first ?

[ChrisB]

I strongly doubt it this time :-)

I know for sure - from NR^» (Network Rail - home page)'s Project Senior Sponsor....which is where my info came from initially, but now have it in writing

Following the commissioning of Phase 1, in 2018, it will be call the “UP Relief” all the way from Wolvercote Junction to Oxford station.

That should defuse any arguments!

I suspect he's a reader on here :-)

[SandTEngineer]

Well, all I can state is that on the Phase 0 and Phase 1 final TVSC^» (Thames Valley Signalling Centre - about) signalling scheme plans that I have seen its always shown as 'Up Oxford Relief'.  Currently, as Industry Insider has stated above, it is called the 'Down Jericho'.

Of course there is a small chance that the plans might be out of date (they are dated September 2015) but the naming seems fairly consistent throughout