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« on: May 04, 2008, 02:46:05 PM » |
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From Ivybridge Rail Users Group (link below) : http://www.irug.ik.com/news/6367110450.ikmlThe Good News is that from Dec 15th 2008 there will be six HST's ( 3 UP and 3 DOWN) stopping at Ivybridge. The UP services will give Ivybridge a direct service to London (Paddington) for the first time since the station opened.** The times given at present are:- 10.01, 12.15 and 17.11 to Paddington and the down services are:- 12.07,17.10 and 23.12.
The Bad News is that these services are NOT additional and will most likely to be replacing the 11.25,13.48 and 16.59 UP services and the 10.16,13.09 and 17.58 DOWN services.
This is not good news for the many schoolchildren who travel back from Plymouth and are at present catching the 16.44 (which is late enough as this train used to leave at 16.10) will now have to wait a further 12 minutes to return home.
We hope to be able to infuence FGW on the timings of their HST's before the final timetables are released.
** South West Trains already run a twice daily service to London Waterloo
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devon_metro
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2008, 03:02:39 PM » |
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Good news.
Trains are as follows(from Plymouth):
0945 (ex PNZ), Via Bristol to London
1200 (ex PNZ), to London (often full and standing arriving into Plymouth)
1656 (new timing?) to London (often full and standing arriving into Plymouth during summer as starts Newquay)
From London:
0905 (to PLY/NQY) often full and standing during Summer
1405 (to PNZ)
2035 (to PLY)
Personally, I'd stop the following: (approx times)
0730 from London (1025 from Ivybridge) to PNZ
1105 from London (1425 from Ivybridge) to PLY
1305 from London (1610 from Ivybridge) to PLY (PNZ summer)
1605 from London (1910 from Ivybridge) to PNZ
0945 from Plymouth (PNZ 0745) (1001 Ivybridge) to London via Bristol
1255 from Plymouth (1311 Ivybridge) to London stopping B&H
1500 from Plymouth (1516 Ivybridge) to London
1803 from Plymouth (PNZ 1556) (1819 Ivybridge) to London
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Conner
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2008, 03:04:59 PM » |
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The 10:00 Penzance-Paddington is probably the busiest of the day, it is stupid stopping it at Ivybridge.
How did they find the timings anyway?
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devon_metro
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2008, 03:11:26 PM » |
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Presumably FGW gave them some proposed times  1305 from London would be good though - if the Ivybridge group reads this - lobby for that stopping as it would provide that lost 1610 service from Ivybridge for the school  |
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Btline
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2008, 04:22:43 PM » |
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It is bad news IMO. HSTs should not be calling at Ivybridge.  How much longer will journey times be this year? The fact that one of them comes from Penzance makes it worse. HST = InterCity - the only exceptions are Ox-Wor and Penz-Plym. Other than that, it is InterCity stops only. What has happened to all the local DMUs?  Yes, I know SWT are withdrawing them, but surely their FGW replacements could stop? |
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devon_metro
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2008, 04:25:20 PM » |
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Its a waste of money running half of the Ivybridge trains, so its far more sensible just to stop and HST. Besides, knock a few mins slack off the TT and you will arrive at the same time anyway!
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Conner
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2008, 04:37:49 PM » |
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Btline, find the DMU stoppers and they all stop, they just aren't very often. The HST's replace SWT services.
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Btline
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2008, 04:50:17 PM » |
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The HST's replace SWT services.
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Conner
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2008, 04:53:33 PM » |
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The HST's replace SWT services.
No, I think it is brilliant. You can't put long distance customers coming off a 159 on a 150. So it is.  |
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Lee Fletcher
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2008, 03:16:41 PM » |
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The way I read the IRUG link, and going by the Ivybridge stop times quoted, it looks like the HST stops are replacing FGW DMU stops from December 2008.
I am awaiting clarification on that, though.
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mjthomson
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2008, 07:49:35 PM » |
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???I think there appears to be some selfishness from some members. Don't begrudge the fact that some HST's will be stopping at Ivybridge because if they don't we will most likely lose services. It only adds on 2 or 3 minutes to a journey to London, in the scheme of things that's nothing. The argument should be for FGW to provide more services.
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Conner
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2008, 07:55:37 PM » |
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???I think there appears to be some selfishness from some members. Don't begrudge the fact that some HST's will be stopping at Ivybridge because if they don't we will most likely lose services. It only adds on 2 or 3 minutes to a journey to London, in the scheme of things that's nothing. The argument should be for FGW to provide more services.
Definatly, Ivybridge should have HST's to London, but they should also have more regular DMU's which are currently very irregular. |
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Btline
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2008, 08:30:53 PM » |
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I am certainly not wishing to deprive Ivybridge of services! I think the cuts proposed in the past were dreadful.
However, Ivybridge is a smaller station. It therefore should not be called at by "InterCity" trains!
More DMUs should stop. What about a Newton Abbot to Newquay/Ginnislake service every two hours calling at all statoins, alternating at Plymouth to go to either Newquay or Guinisslake?
The journey time of HSTs are too long at the moment, and stopping trains here will mean that more SDO will be used (the stops will not be reliable!).
please do not call me selfish. I could, in a way, call residents of Ivybridge selfish for making HSTs call!
But I suppose, HSTs are better than nothing.....
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2008, 08:43:06 PM » |
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Well, I think you going to have al lot of complaints putting Gunnislake and Newquay to a four hourly service.
There should be a Plymouth-Newton Abbot shuttle and Gunnislake and Newquay should have dedicated units.
HST journey times are not too long at all, they are good from Plymouth, SDO doesn't take that long down in Cornwall, they are good at it.
And the trains stopping at Ivybridge are the slower services already.
HST's are the best thing for Ivybridge.
Ivybridge is like Saltash, been neglected as a smaller station but in reality they serve very large areas.
Intercity trains in Devon and Cornwall are most stations to Exeter then pretty fast to London.
There traffic is from all the stations not Penzanc Plymouth and Exeter. The train would be very un profitable doing that, Intercity in Cornwall is inter city to London not intercity in Cornwall.
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Lee Fletcher
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2008, 08:52:52 PM » |
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I know how much you opposed the originally proposed cuts, Btline, and I do see the point you are trying to make.
A couple of comments, though.
I'm not sure its a case of Ivybridge residents "making" HST's call. I think we need to wait for further details to emerge regarding the background to the December 2008 timetable proposals.
On your idea of linking Ivybridge/Gunnislake services, it is interesting that the current service does that to a certain extent.
I agree with mjthomson. The argument should be for FGW to provide more services overall for Ivybridge, in whatever provision mix works out best.
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