Title: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: grahame on October 11, 2023, 21:58:50 from Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/cross-channel-rail-competitor-evolyn-buys-12-trains-ahead-of-2025-launch-12982441)
Quote Cross-channel rail competitor Evolyn buys 12 trains ahead of 2025 launch The company says that competition on the route should improve fares and destinations for passengers once its services begin. Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: johnneyw on October 13, 2023, 15:58:11 The Guardian has also got a bit on it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/spanish-rail-firm-evolyn-planning-london-paris-service-rival-eurostar Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: stuving on October 13, 2023, 17:48:37 And now Alstom come along (https://www.alstom.com/press-releases-news/2023/10/13102023-alstom-statement-evolyn-press-release-issued-october-11) and tip cold water all over Evolyn's announcement:
Quote 13 October 2023 – In reference to the recent Evolyn Press Release issued on October 11, which seemingly confirmed an agreement between Evolyn and Alstom for the acquisition of twelve (12) Very High-Speed Trains, Alstom would like to provide important information, as a means of clarification, and as such wishes to highlight the following items: Alstom and Evolyn have established a short-term agreement to proceed with initial train system engineering activities with the objective of accelerating activities, should the parties eventually enter into a contract for the purchase and delivery of a certain number of trains, provided that Evolyn is capable of securing project financing. With regards to potential future delivery dates for new trains, at this time, the final train delivery dates will be confirmed when a firm and final contract will be agreed upon, to be signed at a later date. Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: Ralph Ayres on October 14, 2023, 13:45:15 Shades of Go-op here possibly? Evolyn have a large number of hoops to jump through before any trains run.
If it does go ahead there might even be a risk of it actually increasing fares rather than reducing them. There will be more competition for a limited number of train paths through the tunnel so the tunnel owners might manage to push up the fees they charge. Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: Clan Line on October 14, 2023, 16:20:05 What's the difference between Evolyn saying.............
an agreement between Evolyn and Alstom ..........and Alstom saying........ Alstom and Evolyn have established a short-term agreement ............answers please, on the back of an HS2 Advance ticket to Leeds. Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: stuving on November 15, 2023, 00:10:57 You wait thirty years for a competitor to Eurostar to come along, and then
You may have heard Richard Branson's name being mentioned a few days ago (from RailTech (https://www.railtech.com/all/2023/11/13/virgin-tunnel-richard-branson-could-challenge-eurostar-monopoly/)): Quote Sir Richard Branson, the British entrepreneur and founder of the Virgin Group, is reportedly gearing up for a bid to break Eurostar’s long-held monopoly on Channel Tunnel rail services. The news, according to sources cited by The Telegraph newspaper in London, proposes that there may be a red liveried train in the Channel Tunnel to rival the familiar grey of Eurostar. The move, if confirmed, marks Branson’s return to the UK rail sector. It is four years after his Virgin Trains operation was controversially ousted from its West Coast franchise... Finally, a Dutch contender called Heuro thinks it can run 16 trains a day to Paris and 15 to London. That seems a huge number, though really it's one an hour which is not entirely unfeasible - just wildly implausible. From RailTech again (https://www.railtech.com/all/2023/11/14/new-dutch-player-heuro-to-compete-with-eurostar-to-lower-prices/?gdpr=accept): Quote The brand-newly established railway company Heuro aims to be the alternative to Eurostar between Amsterdam, Paris and London from 2028. RailTech spoke to Dutch founder Roemer van den Biggelaar. “We just want lower prices and more people off planes and on trains”. The core team behind Heuro is currently a trio, including father and son van den Biggelaar. Father Maarten, an established entrepreneur in the Netherlands, was already in talks with French railways SNCF a decade ago, to set up a new international carrier. “The SNCF gave up on that then, they were still in a partnership with NS and did not want to get in their way,” says Roemer van den Biggelaar. That was the end of the story back then, but as the rail market is opening up more and more, father and son see chances of it succeeding now. Van den Biggelaar: “I’ve been interested in it ever since I was little. Now we are trying again, but together”... Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: IndustryInsider on November 15, 2023, 06:47:01 Competition on HS1 and to the continent would be great. Let’s hope these potential start-ups don’t all put themselves off by creating business models that take all of the others into account!
Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: Electric train on November 15, 2023, 17:11:29 The limiting factor is the boarder controls, this needs resolving to make more than one addition operator viable.
The London end capacity could be increased with some operators terminating / starting at Ebbs Fleet or Stratford, just the issue of reversing the stock. Not sure how the boarder check capacity could be increased at Paris without major investment ................... or we join Schengen ................... cannot see that happening I'm sure there is a technology answer its whether the UK Government and the EU could ever agree Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: grahame on November 15, 2023, 17:41:47 Not sure how the boarder check capacity could be increased at Paris without major investment ................... err ... another destination county. Frankfurt has been suggested before Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: CyclingSid on November 16, 2023, 07:01:33 I'm sure there is a technology answer ... And with our Government's success in IT projects you can probably forget the whole idea? Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: Electric train on November 16, 2023, 12:23:11 Not sure how the boarder check capacity could be increased at Paris without major investment ................... err ... another destination county. Frankfurt has been suggested before The money earner is London - Paris Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: grahame on November 16, 2023, 12:57:24 The money earner is London - Paris Mind - the RyanAir model of London (South Greenford) to Paris (Cergy St-Christophe) gets over the St Pancras and Gare du Nord congestion issue Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: Bob_Blakey on November 16, 2023, 13:23:52 The limiting factor is the boarder controls, .....or we join Schengen..... I doubt the EU would be interested...the bosses from somewhere like Eton or Cheltenham Ladies Colleges might be a better bet. ;D Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: Electric train on November 16, 2023, 17:30:20 The money earner is London - Paris Mind - the RyanAir model of London (South Greenford) to Paris (Cergy St-Christophe) gets over the St Pancras and Gare du Nord congestion issue London Stratford International - Paris North (Lille) International perhaps ;D ;D ;D The limiting factor is the boarder controls, .....or we join Schengen..... I doubt the EU would be interested...the bosses from somewhere like Eton or Cheltenham Ladies Colleges might be a better bet. ;D bosses from Eton and Cheltenham Ladies Colleges only if it makes it easy to get to the Chateau at the weekend Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: rogerpatenall on November 17, 2023, 09:19:28 The money earner is London - Paris Mind - the RyanAir model of London (South Greenford) to Paris (Cergy St-Christophe) gets over the St Pancras and Gare du Nord congestion issue South Greenford? Why not move it a couple of miles and, entering into the realms of absolute, mad, stupid fantasy, to Old Oak Common. . . Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: Electric train on November 17, 2023, 10:20:59 The money earner is London - Paris Mind - the RyanAir model of London (South Greenford) to Paris (Cergy St-Christophe) gets over the St Pancras and Gare du Nord congestion issue South Greenford? Why not move it a couple of miles and, entering into the realms of absolute, mad, stupid fantasy, to Old Oak Common. . . Not as daft as it sounds, Old Oak Common box construction has passive provision for a link to HS1 Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: Noggin on November 17, 2023, 10:55:22 The money earner is London - Paris Mind - the RyanAir model of London (South Greenford) to Paris (Cergy St-Christophe) gets over the St Pancras and Gare du Nord congestion issue I'm surprised not to see Flix throw their hat in the ring with a Ebbsfleet <> Aachen shuttle integrated with their bus and rail operations. Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: grahame on November 18, 2023, 10:17:22 Not as daft as it sounds, Old Oak Common ... Had we been in a parallel universe in which there was an ever more integrated Europe, and then with full HS2, it is not beyond scope to imagine a train Edinburgh - Newcastle - York - Leeds - Sheffield - East Midlands - Interchange - Old Oak - Ashford - Lille - Brussels - Koln - Nurnberg - Munchen. And (stop details to be added) Manchester to Malaga, Bristol to Berlin and Penzance to Palermo. In the current universe, "not in our generation" I fear. Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: rogerpatenall on November 18, 2023, 11:18:36 The money earner is London - Paris Mind - the RyanAir model of London (South Greenford) to Paris (Cergy St-Christophe) gets over the St Pancras and Gare du Nord congestion issue South Greenford? Why not move it a couple of miles and, entering into the realms of absolute, mad, stupid fantasy, to Old Oak Common. . . Not as daft as it sounds, Old Oak Common box construction has passive provision for a link to HS1 My comment was tongue in cheek! Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: Noggin on November 18, 2023, 22:32:35 Not as daft as it sounds, Old Oak Common ... Had we been in a parallel universe in which there was an ever more integrated Europe, and then with full HS2, it is not beyond scope to imagine a train Edinburgh - Newcastle - York - Leeds - Sheffield - East Midlands - Interchange - Old Oak - Ashford - Lille - Brussels - Koln - Nurnberg - Munchen. And (stop details to be added) Manchester to Malaga, Bristol to Berlin and Penzance to Palermo. In the current universe, "not in our generation" I fear. The general view is that budget airlines killed the prospect for long distance rail from the UK as much as security requirements or the lack of HS lines did, but it's an interesting exercise to think what might have been if the Channel Tunnel was completed in the 1970s (Nez Cassé to London anyone?) or even the 1900s. Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: stuving on December 14, 2023, 17:20:59 More positive comments from Getlink and HS1, via The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/eurotunnel-eurostar-train-london-rail-b2464123.html):
Quote Trains will run from London to Cologne, Frankfurt and Geneva by 2030, vows Eurotunnel ‘Space will be found at St Pancras for new entrants,’ says Channel Tunnel chief Simon Calder Travel Correspondent Cologne, Frankfurt and Geneva should appear on the train departure screens from London by 2030, the boss of Eurotunnel has vowed. Yann Leriche, chief executive of the tunnel firm’s parent, Getlink, says he expects new entrants to start competing with Eurostar – and to double the number of direct rail routes from the UK. Eurotunnel is the infrastructure operator between Folkestone and Calais. It currently runs the LeShuttle car-carrying operation as well as trains carrying trucks. Freight trains and Eurostar passenger expresses pay for the right to run through the tunnel. Eurotunnel collects €20 (£17) for each passenger on Eurostar trains. The Channel Tunnel opened to passenger trains in November 1994. In the 29 years since then, Eurostar has had the market to itself. It currently runs from London St Pancras International to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam. But at an event ahead of the 30th anniversary of Eurotunnel, Mr Leriche said the tunnel has capacity for more operators – and that new rail links would grow “low-carbon mobility between the UK and Continental Europe”... The international departure terminal at London St Pancras is already at full capacity, with Eurostar obliged to cap the number of passengers on some peak services. But Mr Leriche told The Independent: “We are working with our peers, and HS1 in particular. I will not speak on their behalf, but the space will be found at St Pancras for new entrants. “There is space, there is potential, we are working and discussing that with them very closely.” A spokesperson for HS1 Ltd, which operates London St Pancras, said: “Increasing services would unlock significant economic and environmental benefits. “We can increase capacity at St Pancras and planning is underway to deliver this at the right time. Technology is one of the answers and evolving how we operate is another. We’re already trailing new innovative technology to help increase capacity while ensuring a smooth passenger experience... Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: ChrisB on January 01, 2024, 16:16:25 More positive comments from Getlink and HS1, via The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/eurotunnel-eurostar-train-london-rail-b2464123.html): Quote Trains will run from London to Cologne, Frankfurt and Geneva by 2030, vows Eurotunnel ‘Space will be found at St Pancras for new entrants,’ says Channel Tunnel chief Simon Calder Travel Correspondent Eurotunnel collects €20 (£17) for each passenger on Eurostar trains. Amazing value then, when E* issues their £39 special offers....a basic fare of just £19 plus tunnel charge. Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: stuving on January 01, 2024, 16:32:58 More positive comments from Getlink and HS1, via The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/eurotunnel-eurostar-train-london-rail-b2464123.html): Quote Trains will run from London to Cologne, Frankfurt and Geneva by 2030, vows Eurotunnel ‘Space will be found at St Pancras for new entrants,’ says Channel Tunnel chief Simon Calder Travel Correspondent Eurotunnel collects €20 (£17) for each passenger on Eurostar trains. Amazing value then, when E* issues their £39 special offers....a basic fare of just £19 plus tunnel charge. If you fancy joining in by running a few international trains of your own Getlink do publish full details of their charges (https://www.getlinkgroup.com/content/uploads/2021/02/DRR_NS_2022_EN_Final2.pdf) - complete with complicated indexation. Title: Re: An additional Channel Tunnel operator Post by: TaplowGreen on January 05, 2024, 08:10:30 More positive comments from Getlink and HS1, via The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/eurotunnel-eurostar-train-london-rail-b2464123.html): Quote Trains will run from London to Cologne, Frankfurt and Geneva by 2030, vows Eurotunnel ‘Space will be found at St Pancras for new entrants,’ says Channel Tunnel chief Simon Calder Travel Correspondent Eurotunnel collects €20 (£17) for each passenger on Eurostar trains. Amazing value then, when E* issues their £39 special offers....a basic fare of just £19 plus tunnel charge. Whoops! https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/eurostar-reprimanded-by-watchdog-over-39-fare-promotion/ar-AA1moY5Y This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |