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Title: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 20, 2024, 20:58:37
See https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/ce8dnznxyj8o

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UK thunderstorm warnings: Heavy rain, lightning and hail mark end of warm spell

After the settled and warm spell of late summer weather many of us have had over the last week change is on the way.

The Met Office has issued yellow thunderstorm warnings for Friday and Saturday.

As well as the risk of lightning, some places in southern England and Wales could see as much as 50mm (2in) of rain, bringing the possibility of flooding and transport disruption.

This is in contrast to the past week with temperatures above average and for some in northern Scotland, the warmest spell so late in September since 2019.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/0dd5/live/9ce9ab80-7677-11ef-b282-4535eb84fe4b.jpg.webp)

Heavy showers and storms will start to develop on Friday, in central southern England, the Midlands, parts of Wales and especially south-west England.

Gusty winds and hail may accompany the downpours, with the possibility of local flash flooding.

Later in the day, the storms are expected to fade. However, another spell of storms is forecast to reach the south coast of England in the early hours of Saturday, with more downpours spreading across England and Wales throughout the day.

On both days, the thunderstorms will be hit or miss, meaning that some locations will escape them altogether. However, where they do occur, as much as 50mm (2in) of rain could fall.


Taunton, in particular, please note.  ;D



Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: ChrisB on September 20, 2024, 21:00:13
Cheltenham & Ledbury are under water....


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: johnneyw on September 20, 2024, 21:25:29
Sunny afternoon and evening in the South Hams but just a bit chillier than last night.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Surrey 455 on September 20, 2024, 22:53:17
Lovely sunny warm weather in Brighton today. Was hoping to start a tan ready for my trip to Crete tomorrow, though I think I may have overdone the SPF. 15 was probably too much but it's not that easy to find anything lower these days.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: JayMac on September 21, 2024, 09:21:48
Taunton, in particular, please note.  ;D

That's where I'm headed today after enjoying a week of glorious weather in Scotland.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 21, 2024, 18:42:46
Good luck with that one.  ;D


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 28, 2024, 19:03:42
Another one for tomorrow......could make the usual poor Sunday "service" even worse.....

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/urgent-weather-warning-devon-cornwall-9588682?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Mark A on September 28, 2024, 22:12:58
Ugh. In Torbay, sustained 16 metres per second gale from the south east, forecast to peak at the same time as the high tide at 6pm, though fortunately we are on neaps.

Mark

https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/hourly-table/2-2651474/United%20Kingdom/England/Devon/Dawlish?i=1


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 29, 2024, 06:44:13
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Plymouth

Due to forecasted severe weather between Exeter St Davids and Plymouth fewer trains are able to run on all lines. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Train services between Exeter St Davids and Plymouth will be cancelled or delayed.
Customer Advice
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We have been informed by the Met Office that severe weather is forecast in the Dawlish area on Sunday the 29th of September. The main weather front is expected to hit from 1500 until the end of the day. This is expected to bring heavy rain and strong winds. This means we are having to make some alterations to our train services.

Customers are advised to check their journeys before setting off to travel. We are advising customers to travel as early as possible on Sunday the 29th.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: CyclingSid on September 29, 2024, 09:20:47
On the other hand I had a very nice cycle along the Thames from Staines into London. But all the small ferries; Shepperton, Sunbury etc were not operating.

Thames was high and flowing strongly but the sun shone.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Mark A on September 29, 2024, 14:16:37
I'm not sure when it was announced but GWR at least have sensibly eased ticket restrictions on this to allow people to travel early.

Mark


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: bobm on September 29, 2024, 14:18:58
So have Cross Country to and from stations Newton Abbot to Penzance inclusive.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Mark A on September 29, 2024, 15:49:14
Torbay's not well provided with tidal gauges: however, this afternoon's tide at Plymouth is overachieving.

Mark

https://ntslf.org/tides/uk-network/realtime?port=Plymouth


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: grahame on September 29, 2024, 16:03:27
Torbay's not well provided with tidal gauges: however, this afternoon's tide at Plymouth is overachieving.

Mark

https://ntslf.org/tides/uk-network/realtime?port=Plymouth

I was at Sea Mills yesterday (oops) and I have never seen the tide so low - more like Mud Mills

(https://www.wellho.info/pix/mudmills.jpg)


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Mark A on September 29, 2024, 16:28:42
Possibly not weather related, but it might have gone a bit pear-shaped at Dawlish, as a Cardiff-Penzance train is spending an unreasonable amount of time from Dawlish Warren and there might be about to be a queue of other trains waiting on its progress and held at Exeter.

Mark


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: AMLAG on September 29, 2024, 16:53:38

1235 Padd/ Pgn IET seems stuck between Dwl and Teignmouth since about 1530 ( salt water ingress ? ) hence the 1300 Cdff held at Dwl

Very very rough seas 40-50 mph SSE with high tide at 1800
Seems trains being held at St D, NA an£ Ply with a shuttle unit now operating NA/ Pgn bch

All the vast £ millions spent on the sea wall, rock shelter and cliff stabilisation works etc and yet the newest trains can’t cope with sea water.



Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: plymothian on September 29, 2024, 17:06:19
1C82 and 2C77 have become stranded due to Hitachi's Dawlish-proof trains.

Code Black declared.
DO NOT TRAVEL WEST OF EXETER.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 29, 2024, 17:14:19
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Penzance

Due to forecasted severe weather between Exeter St Davids and Penzance all lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
We are currently advising passengers NOT to travel between Exeter St Davids, Plymouth and Penzance, due to severe weather in the Dawlish area and across Cornwall. As a result, train services between these locations are currently suspended, and we have not been able to secure any replacement road transport. Based on the forecast, we anticipate significant disruption will continue for the remainder of the day.


You're on your own folks.........


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: plymothian on September 29, 2024, 17:25:39
1Z99 has set off from Newton Abbot as a rescue train.
Place your bets now as to whether it'll fail too.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: AMLAG on September 29, 2024, 17:33:49

Assuming that 1Z99 is an IET the odds are that it too will fail ..but I hope this proves wrong.

It’s noted that the local Exe/NA etc buses ARE running at Dwl .





Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: AMLAG on September 29, 2024, 17:37:59

Currently with the line west of Exeter St D closed UFN the nearest railhead for Cornwall is OKEHAMPTON !



Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Mark A on September 29, 2024, 17:43:12
Well there hangs a tale.

Mark


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Timmer on September 29, 2024, 17:50:36
Well there hangs a tale.

Mark
Doesn’t it just!  >:(


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: plymothian on September 29, 2024, 17:52:42
NEWQUAY LINE CLOSED
FALMOUTH LINE CLOSED
due to flooding


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Trowres on September 29, 2024, 18:01:48
NEWQUAY LINE CLOSED
FALMOUTH LINE CLOSED
due to flooding

Well that's certainly the impression given by GWR's Journeycheck information; however 2F88 has just departed Truro and is on its way down the Falmouth Branch. Cue excitement of watching to see if it makes it all the way!  :P



Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: bobm on September 29, 2024, 18:11:01

Currently with the line west of Exeter St D closed UFN the nearest railhead for Cornwall is OKEHAMPTON !



Despite a tree falling on that line at North Tawton and smashing a cab window.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 29, 2024, 18:20:49
Hmm. Was the tree on the railway's side, or the landowner's side?  :-\

Hopefully, there were no injuries in that incident.  :-X



Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: bobm on September 29, 2024, 18:24:40
Driver was able to drive the train back to Exeter at reduced speed.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Trowres on September 29, 2024, 18:31:49
NEWQUAY LINE CLOSED
FALMOUTH LINE CLOSED
due to flooding

Well that's certainly the impression given by GWR's Journeycheck information; however 2F88 has just departed Truro and is on its way down the Falmouth Branch. Cue excitement of watching to see if it makes it all the way!  :P

It arrived on time at Falmouth Docks.  :)  :)  :)
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But the return working, the 18:23 Falmouth Docks to Truro, 2T88, has taken on a bit of Schrödinger, and is both cancelled ("due to late arrival of an inbound service") and running on time.   :D  ???  ;D


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: bobm on September 29, 2024, 18:40:32
Night Riviera sleeper cancelled in both directions.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: bobm on September 29, 2024, 18:59:09
1Z99 has rescued 1C82 and is now on the way to Newton Abbot.   A second rescue unit is now closing in on 2C77.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Trowres on September 29, 2024, 20:49:52
2Z25 ( a pair of class 150s) ran NTA to Dawlish Warren (shunting over the crossover west of Teignmouth in order to run wrong line past the failed IET). It then returned to NTA.

It looks like the unit that rescued the first train, dragging it to NTA, has now been re-headcoded as 2Z77, so perhaps it it what will rescue 2C77.

It appears 2C77 is actually in Dawlish Station (can see it on the beachcams!). Wonder what the passengers have been doing?



Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: bobm on September 29, 2024, 20:58:03
Looks like any who stuck it out were put on the double-150s at Dawlish and taken to Newton Abbot where they could cross platform transfer to 2Z77 to continue west.   I suspect if that unit had been going to rescue 2C77 it would be 1Z..


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Trowres on September 29, 2024, 21:04:10
Is someone in control reading this thread? The headcode has now changed to 1Z99  :o


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Timmer on September 29, 2024, 21:13:08
Embarrassing that a 30+ year old train has to rescue passengers off a train less than five years old  ::)


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: anthony215 on September 29, 2024, 21:43:53
Embarrassing that a 30+ year old train has to rescue passengers off a train less than five years old  ::)

Giving DFT etc more ammo to use against Hitachi.  Off topic but any future train orders I'd be really shocked if Hitachi got on the list


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: RailCornwall on September 29, 2024, 22:14:30
I'm really surprised that with what's fallen down here today that the met office hasn't named this storm.

Some reports of passengers stuck at Exeter St Davids and Plymouth. No RR being offered.

According to the MetOffice's dynamic map forecasts luckily the recovery operation can now start winds have dropped and no more appreciable rainfall is due in the coming days.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Trowres on September 29, 2024, 22:52:18
The 5-car IET rescue train arrived at Dawlish 21:52. Appeared to couple up at 22:05.

I'm unable to speculate on whatever was happening in the following minutes. The weather made working conditions unpleasant!

The failed 2C77 finally on the move at 22:38.

As it arrived at Dawlish at 15:59, that's an impressive 6 hours 39 minutes stationary.

Two trains formed of Voyager (22x) units have passed the failed train this evening, heading towards Plymouth. The 1C96 from Paddington looks like it might actually make it to Plymouth, while the final down service is another Voyager from Gloucester.

In the up direction, the last train from Plymouth to reach Exeter or beyond seems to have been the 15:02 departure.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 30, 2024, 07:05:28
Suspect there will be a few of these today. I had 4 friends (2 couples) trying to get to Plymouth from Exeter late afternoon/evening, one managed to get on a bus, the others booked into a hotel and have been advised to send details/receipts to GWR.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/14-month-old-baby-among-9591164?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1727651345



Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: a-driver on September 30, 2024, 10:09:58
Suspect there will be a few of these today. I had 4 friends (2 couples) trying to get to Plymouth from Exeter late afternoon/evening, one managed to get on a bus, the others booked into a hotel and have been advised to send details/receipts to GWR.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/14-month-old-baby-among-9591164?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1727651345



Some newspaper reports and stories need to be taken with a pinch of salt.  You get those who got on replacement buses or into a taxi and then there’s those at the same location who claim to have been left “stranded”.  I suppose with a 14-month old baby it’s a long journey by road when you don’t have a car seat perhaps and the parents rightfully may have had safety concerns?


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: eightonedee on September 30, 2024, 12:56:32
There's a video from coastal camera footage arrived in my You Tube feed showing the rescue of the broken down train at Dawlish - link here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB9YYWmXQsU

It seems that this was an unfortunate coincidence of high spring tides around the autumn equinox and strong SE winds. Might a precautionary suspension of Inter-city services and shuttle with sprinters be a good idea as a standing contingency plan? No doubt those in the business will know if that's possible.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: old original on September 30, 2024, 13:30:51
There's a video from coastal camera footage arrived in my You Tube feed showing the rescue of the broken down train at Dawlish - link here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB9YYWmXQsU

It seems that this was an unfortunate coincidence of high spring tides around the autumn equinox and strong SE winds. Might a precautionary suspension of Inter-city services and shuttle with sprinters be a good idea as a standing contingency plan? No doubt those in the business will know if that's possible.

The equinox spring tides were about 8-9 days ago and nearly a metre higher than yesterday. That would have been interesting!!!


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: bobm on September 30, 2024, 15:38:51
24 hours after it failed on the seawall yesterday, the nine car IET (802108) departed Newton Abbot a short while ago to head to North Pole depot via London Paddington.   

Following its rescue yesterday it had been left on Platform 3 at Newton Abbot causing some congestion today.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: grahame on September 30, 2024, 16:57:18
Following its rescue yesterday it had been left on Platform 3 at Newton Abbot causing some congestion today.

Not the first time (though perhaps the first time for that particular unit). Is there a shortage of side tracks onto which trains that fail can be placed without getting in the way?


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: broadgage on October 01, 2024, 08:40:30
Years ago, I and others doubted that the IETs would cope with the well known severe conditions at Dawlish.
Supporters of the new units assured as that coping with conditions at Dawlish was an "essential requirement" and that the new trains would be fine !
When this was found not to be the case, one respected member stated that the "essential requirement" meant that the decorative finish should withstand the conditions, and not that the trains should actually function in bad weather !

ANOTHER victory for my crystal ball  :)



Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: GBM on October 01, 2024, 08:49:36
24 hours after it failed on the seawall yesterday, the nine car IET (802108) departed Newton Abbot a short while ago to head to North Pole depot via London Paddington.   

Following its rescue yesterday it had been left on Platform 3 at Newton Abbot causing some congestion today.
Any news on the other train that failed?


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Mark A on October 01, 2024, 09:25:29
Years ago, I and others doubted that the IETs would cope with the well known severe conditions at Dawlish.
Supporters of the new units assured as that coping with conditions at Dawlish was an "essential requirement" and that the new trains would be fine !
When this was found not to be the case, one respected member stated that the "essential requirement" meant that the decorative finish should withstand the conditions, and not that the trains should actually function in bad weather !

ANOTHER victory for my crystal ball  :)


I don't know the materials involved but, what are we, six years in, something's unhappy. How similar is the LNER fleet, and how are they doing? They seem to be under a different exterior cleaning regime though.

Mark

(https://i.postimg.cc/SR6HbVyS/gwr-iet-bodyshell-corrosion-1000.jpg)


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: plymothian on October 05, 2024, 07:20:34
Stops at Dawlish are being withdrawn from IET services this evening due to forecasted severe weather.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 05, 2024, 08:23:52
Stops at Dawlish are being withdrawn from IET services this evening due to forecasted severe weather.

I appreciate the need for caution after last weekend's events, but given the bad weather isn't expected to arrive until this evening, this, and other alterations this morning, seem a bit unnecessary?

05:40 Penzance to Cardiff Central due 11:19
05:40 Penzance to Cardiff Central due 11:19 will no longer call at Dawlish but will call additionally at Tiverton Parkway.
This is due to forecasted severe weather.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: AMLAG on October 05, 2024, 09:59:15

Dawlish: Lifts out of order
The (NEW) lifts will be out of order between Platform 1 and Platform 1 from now until further notice at Dawlish station.
Last Updated:04/10/2024 17:40

0540 Pz/ Cdff ( IET) not calling Dawlish on the face of it seemed over cautious, start of winds approx 20 mph SE today take some hours to build up to a threat to these failure prone trains at and a few hours either side of high( especially Spring) tides with S/SE winds of above about 15 mph.




Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 05, 2024, 12:01:21
£80 million spent on a new sea wall........... ::)


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: ChrisB on October 05, 2024, 12:09:32
Just wait until this Wednesday then.....say hello to Kirk for me


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Mark A on October 05, 2024, 12:14:24

Dawlish: Lifts out of order
The (NEW) lifts will be out of order between Platform 1 and Platform 1 from now until further notice at Dawlish station.
Last Updated:04/10/2024 17:40

***snip***


One day I must get to Dawlish...

If the platform 1 lift is suffering from its exposed position, it was suggested during the planning consultation that the the lift shaft elements of the design be rotated so that they had their backs to the sea.

As built, the footbridge is unroofed, the lift entrance is facing south west - side on to the sea and in a hostile environment that could have been mitigated.

For good measure, the ridgeback top of the parapet on the seaward side isn't ideal and nor is the fact that airflow over the parapet will then interact with the canopy above the lift entrance, which is pitched upwards to catch it, so the lift entrance may be seeing a regular hosing with salt spray.

Perhaps, in exposed positions, include consultancy advice from a shetland pony. The one in the photo below had its back to a clear run of sea all the way from Nova Scotia.

Mark

(https://i.postimg.cc/xC20hQvp/shetland-back-to-the-wind.jpg)


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: grahame on October 05, 2024, 13:04:58
One day I must get to Dawlish...

Greetings *from* Dawlish.  A bit blowy today - some pictures to follow.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Clan Line on October 05, 2024, 15:22:35

Perhaps, in exposed positions, include consultancy advice from a shetland pony. The one in the photo below had its back to a clear run of sea all the way from Nova Scotia.

Mark

(https://i.postimg.cc/xC20hQvp/shetland-back-to-the-wind.jpg)

I digress............but every time I see a Shetland Pony, this springs to mind .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfccMaskBWk


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: JayMac on October 05, 2024, 19:02:25
IETs not calling at Dawlish this evening.

From GWR:

Quote
Due to forecasted severe weather at Dawlish fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

Impact:
Train services running through this station will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice:
Due to expected bad weather in South Devon this evening, as precaution we will be limiting the number of trains calling at Dawlish station.

Only a few trains will be affected, but if you are on a train that is, please adhere to the following advice:

Customers on trains from London Paddington, or north of Dawlish should change at Exeter St. David's where connections are available.

For those travelling from Cornwall and other stations south of Dawlish, please change at Newton Abbot for connections.

We apologise for the inconvenience this evening.

TRAIN PLAN:
The following Up trains will not call at Dawlish:
2M72
2U32
2E30

The following Down trains will not call at Dawlish:
1C89
2C87
1C84.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: broadgage on October 05, 2024, 21:42:04
Embarrassing that a 30+ year old train has to rescue passengers off a train less than five years old  ::)

You cant expect a new train to be as good as the old ones, in either water resistance or in passenger comfort.
This is called progress..


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: grahame on October 06, 2024, 09:00:58
Embarrassing that a 30+ year old train has to rescue passengers off a train less than five years old  ::)

You cant expect a new train to be as good as the old ones, in either water resistance or in passenger comfort.
This is called progress..

I'm not so sure - and it so much depends on your definition of "good".  We are headed off topic and so I have quoted you - and asked opinions - at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/29267


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: stuving on October 11, 2024, 13:33:01
Just wait until this Wednesday then.....say hello to Kirk for me
We didn't hear much about ex-hurricane Kirk, once it turned up. Which is rather odd, given how close an escape we had, though such news media insularity is quite normal. Kirk's northern edge was sat along the French coast much of Wednesday, and beyond it large rain totals were dropped on already soggy land. The heaviest rain was just outside UK rain radar range, and that gave month-sized rain totals and has caused a lot of flooding.

So if Kirk had been any more than 100 miles to the north, we'd have really noticed it. You can still (just) see Wednesday's rain radar from the Met Office, and a snapshot is attached.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: eXPassenger on October 11, 2024, 17:49:47
Interesting comment on Kirk.  I had assumed that the deluge we had on Tuesday afternoon / evening had come from it.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Surrey 455 on October 11, 2024, 19:32:52
Looks like the BBC weather app and website have returned to normal. A glitch in their data feed meant they were forecasting temperatures of over 400C and wind speeds of 13000mph for parts of the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx25wjjnxp0o


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: stuving on October 11, 2024, 20:24:57
Interesting comment on Kirk.  I had assumed that the deluge we had on Tuesday afternoon / evening had come from it.

Apparently not. I thought we might have got a bit of very wet air spun off Kirk, but instead a new depression was spun up by one of two bits of jet stream to the south of us. They were also what shepherded Kirk away from us.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: broadgage on October 12, 2024, 04:02:47
Looks like the BBC weather app and website have returned to normal. A glitch in their data feed meant they were forecasting temperatures of over 400C and wind speeds of 13000mph for parts of the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx25wjjnxp0o


I was briefly alarmed by the forecast of hurricane strength winds, but only very briefly until I noticed the impossible temperatures and wind speeds that were also forecast.
And also the absence of any relevant Met Office severe weather warnings.


Title: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: Mark A on November 24, 2024, 22:08:58
Does anyone have a prediction as to how this event will evolve? It's giving the impression that it has the potential for disrupting things for a day or five. Has the downpour caused serious damage anywhere?

Mark

[Subject edited to clarify that the rain event was Storm Bert - Red Squirrel]


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: Trowres on November 24, 2024, 23:30:22
It's been hard to keep up with events, but, trying to summarise the state towards the end of Sunday:
  • Line closed between Newton Abbot and Plymouth (flooding)
  • Exeter-Barnstaple closed (trees)
  • Exeter-Okehampton closed (trees)
  • Plymouth-Gunnislake (trees)
  • Taunton-Castle Cary closed (flooding)
  • Weston SM - Bristol closed (flooding)
  • Swindon-Bristol Parkway closed (flooding / landslip)
  • Swindon-Chippenham closed (flooding both sides of Wootton Bassett Jn)
  • Chippenham-Bath closed (flooding)
  • Oxford-Worcester closed (flooding)- the 21:36 Paddington-Worcester reversed at Oxford and now planned to run via Swindon and Stroud
  • Not sure about Westbury-Reading, although trains are unable to call at Newbury (flooding)
  • Birmingham-Bristol blocked. Journeycheck says between Birmingham and Cheltenham (although a freight has just traversed this and maps suggest south of Standish Jn
  • Lydney-Gloucester blocked (flooding)
  • Great Malvern-Hereford blocked (flooding)
  • Hereford-Abergavenny blocked (landslip)

Information gathered from Journeycheck / RTT / Opentraintimes / Tiger. Not always logically consistent.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: grahame on November 25, 2024, 05:07:11
It's been hard to keep up with events, but, trying to summarise the state towards the end of Sunday:

Information gathered from Journeycheck / RTT / Opentraintimes / Tiger. Not always logically consistent.

Thanks of that list - yesterday was a really good day not to travel and today starts with
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Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton via Crediton
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple via Crediton
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Swansea via Bristol Parkway
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Bristol Temple Meads
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Penzance via Exeter St Davids
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake
Delays to services between Gloucester and Bristol Parkway

which isn't even a full list ... selected from elsewhere

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05:10 Oxford to Worcester Shrub Hill due 06:15

05:10 Oxford to Worcester Shrub Hill due 06:15 will be cancelled.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

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05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:07

05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:07 will be cancelled.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

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05:23 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 06:57

05:23 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 06:57 will be cancelled.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: grahame on November 25, 2024, 06:06:29
And "partials" are just as much cancellations for stations left out.  To give an idea of some of the other issues this morning:

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03:38 Swansea to London Paddington due 07:16
03:38 Swansea to London Paddington due 07:16 will be terminated at Bristol Parkway.
It will no longer call at Swindon, Didcot Parkway, Reading and London Paddington.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

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04:50 Fratton to Bristol Temple Meads due 07:28
04:50 Fratton to Bristol Temple Meads due 07:28 was started from Eastleigh.
It will no longer call at Fratton, Cosham, Portchester and Fareham.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

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05:27 Newbury to Reading due 06:03
05:27 Newbury to Reading due 06:03 will be started from Newbury Racecourse.
It will no longer call at Newbury.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

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06:38 Weymouth to Gloucester due 10:02
06:38 Weymouth to Gloucester due 10:02 will be started from Yeovil Pen Mill.
It will no longer call at Weymouth, Upwey, Dorchester West, Maiden Newton, Chetnole, Yetminster and Thornford.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: grahame on November 25, 2024, 06:10:36
BBC Live feed:

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Major rail disruption persists

published at 05:28

Flooding and high winds brought by Storm Bert have caused significant travel disruption across the country.
The most affected areas appear to be the routes linking London with the west of England and Wales.

Network Rail has advised people not to travel today on the following routes:
Penzance to London Paddington Newport
Bristol Parkway to London Paddington Bristol Temple Meads, Swindon, Reading to London Paddington
Worcester to London Paddington
Exeter St Davids to Okehampton and Exeter to Barnstaple

Several other rail lines are also closed or expecting serious disruption, including:
All lines between Plymouth and Gunnislake are closed, as well as those between Liskeard and Looe
Some lines in the Northampton area area blocked
The line between Great Malvern and Hereford is closed
Trains will not run between Lancaster and Barrow-in-Furness until Friday

This list is not exhaustive - check the National Rail website or with your train operator before travelling.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: Sulis John on November 25, 2024, 07:04:45
And yet GWR’s own website tells us “There’s a good service running across our network”.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: Mark A on November 25, 2024, 07:29:15
And yet GWR’s own website tells us “There’s a good service running across our network”.

A bit naughty as the amount of red crayon on the coffeeshop's wonderful map this morning suggests otherwise.

Mark


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: lbraine on November 25, 2024, 07:48:06
And yet GWR’s own website tells us “There’s a good service running across our network”.

Beaten to it ! I was about to post the same. its almost like GWR is in denial, or is happy to mislead the public and take their money even when they know the service is less (much less) that the timetabled commitment.

Yesterday afternoon at PAD was horrendous - to secure a train back to Reading involved 4 platform changes / train changes
After dance number 3 between, the Taunton train was announced as NOT stopping at Reading. Dance number 4 ensued by passengers.
Onto a Swindon Stopper - that promptly gor routed behind a Lizzy Line train all the way to Reading. Even the drive/guard announcing that if you want a quicker journey - 'jump through the window to the Elizabeth Line train' next to us. Does not reflect the best morale in GWR.
Finally arrived at Reading after an hour stop-start to see he foresaid Taunton train happily sitting in the next platform.

On the upside - with the train dancing I was able to witness the best of people - as many elderly and young families were helped by more able and seasoned travellers to understand and naviagate the inflected chaos.

I'm a big fan of Mark Hopwood but his railway is barely coping at the moment


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: a-driver on November 25, 2024, 08:29:45
The disruption is that great they simply can can’t cope with the information and changes incoming….. the departure boards are all incorrect.
It highlights some serious deficiencies within GWR control, be it experience, decision making and/or staffing levels.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 25, 2024, 08:39:24
It highlights some serious deficiencies within GWR control, be it experience, decision making and/or staffing levels.

I would suggest it’s bit of all three.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: a-driver on November 25, 2024, 09:24:26
And yet GWR’s own website tells us “There’s a good service running across our network”.

Code BLACK, which is basically the do not travel advice, doesn't trigger anything on the website or App.

They've now downgraded the level of disruption to a Code RED which then means journey check, the website, App will display service disruption


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: johnneyw on November 25, 2024, 10:03:54
The Bristol to Exeter service that I planned to take today has been cancelled.  Next service still scheduled to run gets me there two hours later.  Just as well that I became aware this before I left the house but I really should have checked earlier... that way I needn't have rushed my cup of coffee!


Edit to add footnote.   Further cancellations towards Devon from Temple Meads today meant my further attempts to get to Exeter had to be abandoned.  The friend who I meant to meet there managed the trip down The Mule from Crewkerne but I've not heard yet how the return leg went....or didn't.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: AMLAG on November 25, 2024, 10:53:02


Rather surprisingly with the main line closed between Plymouth and N.Abbot from approx 1130 Sunday until early today ‘due flooding between Ivybridge and Totnes’ ( at again ? S. Brent rail over river Avon Bdge with an unresolved river bed scour problem ? ) that two NR Engineers trains were allowed to run through operated by the Freightliner FOC; the 1500 Goonbarrow ( ex Nqy) to Westbury and the 1007 Westbury to Goonbarrow (for Nqy ).



Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: Bob_Blakey on November 25, 2024, 11:29:08
I reckon that Network Rail (NR) and the DfT now need to draw up and rapidly implement a plan to deal with the catalogue of obvious flooding blackspots. Different solutions will be required depending on the local topography but Cowley Bridge Junction is an excellent example of what can be achieved if the issues are addressed properly.

Tunnels and/or cuttings prone to repeated flooding could be fitted with pumping systems to move the water elsewhere via pipelines. Sites where pooling is an issue could be provided with larger culverts and/or underground storage tanks. Sections of line running on flood plains could be protected by the installation of sheet piling which, if necessary, would allow the track level to be raised (with the obvious considerations regarding bridge clearances).

But.....who's going to pay for it?!


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: Trowres on November 25, 2024, 12:30:48
I am pondering over the accuracy and tone of the messaging being provided about train services. This from an update 11:44 today:

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London Paddington - Swansea

Train services between London Paddington and South Wales are subject to severe disruption due to flooding. The level of disruption combined with shortages of train crew and planned engineering works means that GWR are unable to guarantee that any journey on this route will remain feasible this evening and intending customers are strongly advised to amend their travel plans to travel today or Tuesday 26th November.

Trains are only running between London Paddington and Swindon, they are unable to divert via alternative routes as these are both closed by flooding. Great Western Railway are unable to offer alternative transport between Swindon and Bristol Parkway. You are advised not to attempt to travel along this route.

The first paragraph is confusing and looks like the result of editing yesterday's text. The second paragraph is inaccurate as, at the time of the update, South Wales services were running in both directions via Chippenham.

Bearing mind that conditions on the roads aren't exactly fun, with closures on the A36 (power lines down in addition to roadworks) and congestion on the A350 / A361, it might be an idea to (suitably nuanced) point out that trains on the Bristol-Southampton line are running a tolerably useful service. ( I was going to include the Melksham line (gasp) but at this moment the train's in the platform at Westbury, apparently waiting for a conductor).







Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: grahame on November 25, 2024, 13:00:03
... that trains on the Bristol-Southampton line are running a tolerably useful service. ( I was going to include the Melksham line (gasp) but at this moment the train's in the platform at Westbury, apparently waiting for a conductor).

Yep . that's not uncommon with that train ... as I understand it, the crew comes off the London to the South West semi-fast and if anything goes wrong with / delays the trains on the main line knock on to the TransWilts, even thought (staff excepted) only a small proportion of people come in via from or viaPewsey and head out to or via Melksham.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: Trowres on November 25, 2024, 15:37:35
Confirming that the 12:17 Westbury-Swindon was cancelled, and its return working, due to "an issue with the train crew".

Rather short notice, that.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: Mark A on November 25, 2024, 16:37:04
Hmm, a friend needs Bath Spa to Plymouth and back, tomorrow Tuesday 26th November... looks as if they'll need to drive it though.

Mark


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 25, 2024, 18:31:55
.......at a time like this? There genuinely isn't a single other person who could take over?


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: grahame on November 25, 2024, 22:54:33
And for tomorrow (26th November)  ...

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We promised to keep you updated on the impact of Storm Bert on our services. Network Rail and GWR teams have been working throughout the day to clear and inspect the lines, opening them for service where possible.
 
We are now able to operate a limited service on most of our routes, including from South Wales, Bristol and the Cotswolds to London. Our South Wales services must operate via a diversionary route due to flooding between Bristol Parkway and Swindon, meaning journeys are taking longer.
 
Flooding is still blocking the line between Bedwyn and Taunton, meaning there are no long-distance services between Devon & Cornwall and London. Customers are advised not to travel on this route; we do have ticket acceptance on SWR from Exeter St Davids to London Waterloo for customers who do need to travel.
 
Local services in Devon & Cornwall are now operating with the exception of the Barnstaple and Okehampton lines which remain closed. Our Night Riviera sleeper service will not operate tonight or tomorrow (Tuesday 26 Nov).
 
We will maintain a reduced service on our long-distance routes tomorrow (Tuesday 26 Nov). Additional rain is forecast for tomorrow evening which could result further flooding of the railway at certain key locations. As a result customers are advised to complete journeys tomorrow by 1900.
 
Tickets dated for today (Mon 25) can be tomorrow and on Wednesday 27 Nov, or customers can claim a full fee-free refund. For the latest information and to check journeys, customers should visit www.gwr.com/check.
 
Thank you for your patience and support, and if there’s anything we do to help, please do get in touch.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: Trowres on November 26, 2024, 00:04:24
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Flooding is still blocking the line between Bedwyn and Taunton, meaning there are no long-distance services between Devon & Cornwall and London

Freight trains have been running between the Mendips, Westbury, Bedwyn and beyond since about 11:00 on 25th. OK, so Castle Cary-Taunton remains closed, but it would have been nice to have had some service for the intermediate stations, or even a message that Pewsey would have zero service all day, Monday.

Apart from the quoted line above, most communications have referred to services between London Paddington and Penzance ... not a mention of Paignton.

I note that with flooding at Lydney, TfW managed to put together a service as far as Chepstow. Perhaps over the border priorities are different?


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: broadgage on November 26, 2024, 01:46:49
With "once in a century" floods now occurring every few years, and a reasonable expectation that this will get worse and not better, the railway needs to get better prepared. Or in more detail-

When a new bridge is required over a rail line, at LEAST one meter EXTRA clearance should be provided under the bridge in order that the track can be raised in future without altering the bridge.

When a platform is being worked on or replaced, it should be raised by the maximum permitted height relative to the train, in order that the track can be later raised without altering the platform.

New or refurbished station buildings should be designed to be flood resistant, hard floor and wall coverings that can be pressure washed rather than replaced after a flood. High level electrics. High level shelfs upon which can be placed IT equipment and other valuables when flooding threatens.

Substations for traction or domestic purposes to be located on plinths a meter above the worst previous flood.



Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: chuffed on November 26, 2024, 06:52:30
And stop building on flood plains. The clues in the name....


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: Electric train on November 26, 2024, 07:22:49
With "once in a century" floods now occurring every few years, and a reasonable expectation that this will get worse and not better, the railway needs to get better prepared. Or in more detail-

When a new bridge is required over a rail line, at LEAST one meter EXTRA clearance should be provided under the bridge in order that the track can be raised in future without altering the bridge.

When a platform is being worked on or replaced, it should be raised by the maximum permitted height relative to the train, in order that the track can be later raised without altering the platform.

New or refurbished station buildings should be designed to be flood resistant, hard floor and wall coverings that can be pressure washed rather than replaced after a flood. High level electrics. High level shelfs upon which can be placed IT equipment and other valuables when flooding threatens.

Substations for traction or domestic purposes to be located on plinths a meter above the worst previous flood.



All great ideas and they are adopted where possible.

Although station building built so the can be pressure washed would be very clinical in there look.

Elevating electrical equipment is done based on flood risk where possible, although its not just the railways own infrastructure that gets wiped out in floods.

Nature can be defended to a point of cost .................... simple question ???

How much is the travelling public willing to pay in terms of rail fares to get to 100% flood defence


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24
Post by: ChrisB on November 26, 2024, 09:09:53
When a platform is being worked on or replaced, it should be raised by the maximum permitted height relative to the train, in order that the track can be later raised without altering the platform.

So much for level boarding though, eh? ??? ::)


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 26, 2024, 10:17:57
I have edited the subject of this topic to clarify that the rain event is Storm Bert


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Mark A on November 26, 2024, 16:10:53
Dawlish lifts: dead again until further notice allegedly.

As are the lifts at Exeter St Davids. Does Exeter deploy the barrow crossing when that happens?

Mark


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: grahame on November 26, 2024, 20:56:40
From GWR a couple of hours ago (dusk on 26th November)

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We promised to keep you updated as the impact of Storm Bert continues to be felt.
 
While most lines have now reopened, both the Barnstaple and Okehampton branch lines remain closed and are likely to remain so until at least Thursday 28 Nov. High water levels in the River Yeo to the north of Crediton means Network Rail divers aren’t yet able to ascertain the damage to a rail bridge over the river, so the lines remain closed.
 
We are operating a rail shuttle service from Exeter St Davids to Crediton, and a limited rail replacement service between Exeter and Barnstaple/Okehampton. These taxis/buses will run directly between Exeter and Barnstaple/Okehampton respectively and will not call at any intermediate stations, including Crediton. We also have ticket acceptance on certain local bus routes; more information can be found at www.gwr.com/check.
 
The line between Bristol Parkway and Swindon also remains closed due to flooding. As a result our South Wales-London service is reduced to an hourly frequency, and continues to run on a diversionary route adding around 45 minutes to journey times. Similarly we expect this to remain in place until Thursday 28 Nov at the earliest.
 
Tickets dated for travel today can be used tomorrow (Weds 27 Nov). There is also heavy rain forecast overnight this evening into tomorrow and with water levels already very high there is the chance for further disruption, so we’re advising customers to check before they travel at www.gwr.com/check, or through our social media accounts at www.x.com/gwrhelp and www.x.com/networkrailwest.
 
As ever if there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: grahame on November 26, 2024, 21:25:07
From GWR a couple of hours ago (dusk on 26th November)

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We promised to keep you updated as the impact of Storm Bert continues to be felt.
 
[snip]
 
As ever if there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.


We understand that in times of extreme weather and high river levels some trains have to be cancelled,  but it would be a real help to us if you could run almost all of the trains that are in your timetable please once this unusual weather event has passed. Thank you


Title: Storm Conall to bring more rain to parts of England and Wales - 26 Nov 2024
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 26, 2024, 22:05:08
From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxvlkql232o):

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A newly-named storm, Conall, is forecast to bring heavy rain to southern England and threaten further issues in flood-hit areas still cleaning up from Storm Bert.

The Met Office has issued yellow weather warnings for rainfall in several southern areas of the UK from 22:00 GMT on Tuesday until midday on Wednesday.

Many parts of England and Wales will also see wet conditions overnight, though the worst of the storm will not hit the UK.

The storm was named by the Dutch Weather Service, which along with the Met Office and Met Eireann in Ireland, name storms for ease of communication.

BBC Weather's Tomasz Schafernaker said Conall would still be developing as it tracked across southern parts of the UK, meaning "the worst of the storm is expected to miss us".  He said the rain would be "initially quite heavy", before moving east throughout the night.

The heaviest rainfall is expected near the south coast of England and in the far southeast, with 15-20mm and possibly 30-40mm of rain forecast.  These areas did not receive the same heavy rainfall from Storm Bert as some other parts of England and Wales.

Flood-hit areas, which could see some rainfall overnight, are very sensitive to any more rain.  And while there will not be much, typically 5-15mm, it could cause more issues.

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On Wednesday, the rain band is expected to curl back, with Lincolnshire, the Peak District and the Midlands likely to experience wet conditions, Schafernaker said.

Coastal areas of Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and Kent could also feel "near gale force" winds.  In the north, frost is expected in Scotland and the Lake District.

Heavy rainfall and strong winds brought by Storm Bert over the weekend led to at least five deaths, while homes, roads and rail networks faced major disruption.  Many communities are still cleaning up after homes and businesses were inundated by floodwater.

Conall is the third "named" storm of the season, after Ashley and Bert.

The storms list - first launched in 2015 - for each year generally runs from early September until late August the following year, coinciding with the beginning of autumn.



Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2024, 04:40:11
From GWR a couple of hours ago (dusk on 26th November)

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We promised to keep you updated as the impact of Storm Bert continues to be felt.
 
[snip]
 
As ever if there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.


We understand that in times of extreme weather and high river levels some trains have to be cancelled,  but it would be a real help to us if you could run almost all of the trains that are in your timetable please once this unusual weather event has passed. Thank you

......and if you genuinely want to help, ensure that your communications channels are adequately resourced, configured, informed and empowered in order to be able to help people who "don't hesitate to get in touch" as you are encouraging.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: lbraine on November 27, 2024, 08:23:06
This is almost rubbing salt into an open wound, but if you have a spare 3 hours in the day you might like to watch the video and marvel at how the Norwegian railways cope with bad weather.

It gets particularly spicy about 1hr 40min. Just try to picture an IEP running in the same conditions.

https://youtu.be/JvDjZRR9LAg?si=e7nt4ohYCEMI1Ta-


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: jamestheredengine on November 27, 2024, 08:40:01
From GWR a couple of hours ago (dusk on 26th November)

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The line between Bristol Parkway and Swindon also remains closed due to flooding. As a result our South Wales-London service is reduced to an hourly frequency, and continues to run on a diversionary route adding around 45 minutes to journey times. Similarly we expect this to remain in place until Thursday 28 Nov at the earliest.


The bit that's not brilliant here is that they're still insisting on running into Bristol Parkway and reversing, rather than serving the South Gloucestershire area by having it stop at Filton Abbey Wood instead. This has the effect of the up London getting stuck behind the Cardiff to Portsmouth service. So a diversion that in itself should add less than 20 minutes just turned into delays upon delays until the trains were running about 90 minutes late yesterday afternoon.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: brooklea on November 27, 2024, 10:00:21
Could running via Bristol Parkway be driven, at least partly, by the requirement for crew changes there I wonder?

Filton Abbey Wood also not the best place to be turfed off your train if your car happens to be parked in the large car park at Bristol Parkway...

Whilst I can see the frustration of the additional delay for passengers travelling from South Wales to London, I can also see good reason to run via Bristol Parkway in this situation.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: BBM on November 27, 2024, 11:02:41
This is almost rubbing salt into an open wound, but if you have a spare 3 hours in the day you might like to watch the video and marvel at how the Norwegian railways cope with bad weather.

It gets particularly spicy about 1hr 40min. Just try to picture an IEP running in the same conditions.

https://youtu.be/JvDjZRR9LAg?si=e7nt4ohYCEMI1Ta-

And from Japan (jump to 0:40 for the first train in the snowy video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uXKUA3ODKM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uXKUA3ODKM)


Title: Re: Storm Conall to bring more rain to parts of England and Wales - 26 Nov 2024
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 27, 2024, 19:06:14
An update, from the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxvlkql232o):

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Storm Conall brings more rain as it passes over UK

Storm Conall has brought another day of rain to southern England, causing disruptions including cancellations of train services.

There are currently 75 flood warnings in England with flood-hit areas still recovering from the days of downpours during Storm Bert.

The new storm broght fewer issues as it passed over southern England on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, because it was forecast to strengthen as it moved towards the Netherlands.

The number of flood warnings is expected to continue dropping as the flood-hit areas will see drier weather over the next few days.

As Storm Conall passed over England, nearly 50mm of rain fell on Dartmoor and 20-30mm in some other parts of southern England.

But many of the areas that were flooded during Storm Bert saw less rain with totals at around 3mm-8mm, so further problems were averted.  The rain was linked to a developing area of low pressure crossing west to east across southern England.  The upcoming days will see higher pressure, which will bring dry weather across flooded areas, allowing time for the flood water to disappear.

In parts of south-east England, trains were cancelled along three routes due to flooded tracks, while five other routes were facing disruption on Wednesday morning.

Gatwick Express trains will continue to see delays and cancellations into the evening, with the service advising commuters who use the service to start return journeys as soon as possible due to disruptions.

Thameslink passengers travelling to Welwyn Garden City have been advised to use alternate routes due to some suspended services, while others are still reduced.

...

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Heavy rainfall and strong winds brought by Storm Bert over the weekend led to at least five deaths, while homes, roads and rail networks faced major disruption.

(news item continues)



Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: CyclingSid on November 28, 2024, 08:09:33
If you wondered if the service was sh1t?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wrz7y5wvko (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wrz7y5wvko)


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 28, 2024, 08:19:30
If you wondered if the service was sh1t?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wrz7y5wvko (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wrz7y5wvko)

Blimey. And we worry about leaves on the line.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: Mark A on November 28, 2024, 08:40:17
Wondering why the child who scribbles on Graham's map was so annoyed at Dartmoor, checked Realtime trains and thought for a moment, 'That's ok, lots of...' and then noticed that the trains were missing:


https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:OKE/2024-11-28/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:OKE/2024-11-28/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)

Then checked National Rail, but against GWR, only a note "Residual delays'.

Checked the GWR web site and that does have the info - they're awaiting the all clear on a bridge that required inspection by divers, reopening 28th so it looks as though that hasn't happened. Perhaps this'll be the longest lasting closure consequential to storm Bert.

Also, the service seems to have been 'Taxituted'.

Mark


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: grahame on November 28, 2024, 09:10:03
Checked the GWR web site and that does have the info - they're awaiting the all clear on a bridge that required inspection by divers, reopening 28th so it looks as though that hasn't happened. Perhaps this'll be the longest lasting closure consequential to storm Bert.

Chipping Sodbury still out too ... and the Brecon Mountain Railway


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: Mark A on November 28, 2024, 17:23:12
Again from Realtime Trains, the Okehampton line is now back, the first arrival from Exeter being the 17:15, with the remaining three trains also scheduled to run.

Mark


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: Timmer on November 28, 2024, 19:05:18
If you wondered if the service was sh1t?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wrz7y5wvko (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wrz7y5wvko)
This article wouldn’t have been out of place in the Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles thread with Bristol Temple Meads doubling up as Newbury!  ::)


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 28, 2024, 19:27:18
Again from Realtime Trains, the Okehampton line is now back, the first arrival from Exeter being the 17:15, with the remaining three trains also scheduled to run.

Mark

Whoops!  ::)

Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton via Crediton
Due to a broken down train between Crediton and Okehampton the line is blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Train services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton via Crediton have been cancelled.

Customer Advice
A train has broken down on our Okehampton line. As well as cancellations related to the earlier fallen trees, this has effectively suspended the line for the rest of the day.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: ChrisB on November 28, 2024, 20:33:27
The train is unable to move in a forward direction, according to National Rail


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: grahame on November 28, 2024, 21:24:21
The train is unable to move in a forward direction, according to National Rail


Can't it go backwards and a few hundred yards toward Meldon?

OR ... is it unable to move in a backward direction too, but they haven't told us that because it didn't have to/


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: AMLAG on November 28, 2024, 21:48:43

According to Real Time Trains the 1725 Oke left on time, struggled and arrd Crediton 66 late and St D 69 late.

The  2115 St D actually ran and left on time and is currently braving the 13 mile ‘high Risk Tree Tunnel’ from Coleford to Okehampton, the highest rly stn in Southern England at about 720 feet above sea level.


Title: Re: Rain event 24/11/24 (Storm Bert)
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 30, 2024, 09:31:44
 :)


Title: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 05, 2024, 16:06:33
From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/cd60v5d744lo):

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Storm Darragh is set to bring damaging winds to parts of the UK on Saturday.

Northern Ireland, south-west Scotland and western parts of England and Wales could see gusts of up to 80mph (129km/h) from Darragh, which was named by the Met Office on Thursday.

Amber and yellow severe weather warnings have been issued with power cuts, building damage and transport disruption likely.

While heavy rain is also forecast, there is unlikely to be as much rainfall and flooding as seen with Storm Bert.

The fourth named storm of the season, Darragh comes only weeks after Storms Bert and Conall caused disruption at the end of November.

Late on Friday, a developing area of low pressure will start to bring heavy rain and strengthening winds across western parts of the UK.

As this develops further into Saturday, this becomes Storm Darragh with its centre crossing northern England.

An amber severe weather warning has been issued by the Met Office for strong winds in Northern Ireland, south-west Scotland and western areas of England and Wales from 3am to 9pm on Saturday.

Gusts will be around 70-80mph (113-129km/h), especially around coastal areas. Further inland, gusts will be 60-70mph (96-113km/h).

These wind gusts have the potential to damage buildings and will bring travel disruption, especially to ferry services in the Irish Sea.

There is a larger yellow Met Office warning across all parts of England and Wales for wind valid from 3pm on Friday through to 6am on Sunday when Darragh will have cleared into the North Sea.

Gusts will widely be around 40-50mph (64-80km/h) across England and Wales which could lead to some transport disruption on Saturday.

Those affected by severe flooding after Storm Bert may be concerned by another storm and heavy rain.

While the rainfall totals associated with Storm Darragh will not be as high, around 2-3in (50-60mm) of rain is expected in parts of Wales and central and southern Scotland by Saturday lunchtime.

A yellow Met Office warning for rain is valid from 3pm on Friday to 12pm on Saturday across these areas as there may be some localised flooding impacts.

Otherwise, more widely across the UK, rainfall totals will be up to an inch (25mm).

There will also be some heavy snow for a time over the higher ground of Scotland as Storm Darragh moves through.



Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 06, 2024, 01:11:51
It was already very wet and windy here in Nailsea last night.  ::)


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: broadgage on December 06, 2024, 07:32:32
I generally ignore yellow weather warnings, unless travelling by train. A yellow warning means "expect seasonal weather conditions"
This however is an amber warning, which suggests more serious conditions. I expect that i will again be glad to have a UPS system in case of power cuts.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: broadgage on December 06, 2024, 10:24:20
The previously issued amber warning, has been upgraded to a very rare red warning for certain Western areas, the amber warning remains in place elsewhere.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: ChrisB on December 06, 2024, 11:03:09
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/news-and-media/media-centre/weather-and-climate-news/2024/red-warning-for-storm-darragh


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: a-driver on December 06, 2024, 16:02:51
Amber and red warnings. The train service should be suspended altogether.

It’s not worth the risk of damage to trains & infrastructure and more importantly having stranded passengers.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Timmer on December 06, 2024, 16:10:47
Amber and red warnings. The train service should be suspended altogether.

It’s not worth the risk of damage to trains & infrastructure and more importantly having stranded passengers.
I’m fully expecting that will happen. After being caught up in the mess a couple of weeks back, better to say in advance of tomorrow NO train services based on the warnings issued then everyone knows not to head to station in the first place.

GWR tweeted this about 50 minutes ago so decisions are being made which is good:

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Network Rail is currently assessing the impact on train services and we expect to be able to update our advice for travel tomorrow in the next hour.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: a-driver on December 06, 2024, 16:15:32
I’m fully expecting that will happen. After being caught up in the mess a couple of weeks back, better to say in advance of tomorrow NO train services based on the warnings issued then everyone knows not to head to station in the first place.

Absolutely. An assessment should be made at first light whether trains will run, with the first services used as route proving.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Mark A on December 06, 2024, 16:36:14
Bath Christmas Market's been pulled for Saturday 7th December.

Mark


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: JayMac on December 06, 2024, 16:58:42
Many other street markets and other events across the west have been cancelled for this weekend.

Santas on a Bike, ride from Bristol to Charlton Farm Children's Hospice

Gloucester Quays Christmas Market, Gloucestershire

Street Festive Market, Somerset

Wells Market, Somerset

Christmas at Westonbirt Trail, Gloucestershire

Stonehouse Goodwill Festival, Gloucestershire

Swindon Enchanted Gardens Light Trail

Clevedon Light up the Lake, Somerset

Frome Market, Somerset

Winchcombe Market, Gloucestershire


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Timmer on December 06, 2024, 18:20:31
Latest from GWR:

https://www.gwr.com/sunday-disruption

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Travel advice following the recently issued storm weather warning and special events taking place across the GWR network:

Following red and amber weather warnings in relation to Storm Darragh on parts of our network, we are advising customers to change their plans if possible this weekend.

Although we expect to still be able to run train services, strong winds mean speed restrictions will be in place across the network, increasing journey times. Fallen trees and other debris may also impact services.

Customers with tickets for travel on GWR services on Saturday 7 and Sunday 8 December can be used on Monday 9 December.

If you no longer wish to travel this weekend you can claim a full refund at GWR.com/help-and-support/refunds

Please note Bath Christmas Market has been cancelled on Saturday.

For the latest journey information visit GWR.com/check.

On Sunday only, crew availability means a significantly reduced, amended timetable will be in place on long-distance services. Online journey planners are currently not correct and will be updated.

Please check your journey on Sunday morning for the latest information.

So no services or routes cancelled, just an advisory to change travel plans.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 06, 2024, 19:53:06
From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxlwz219ko):

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Millions sent government alert as Storm Darragh approaches

Around three million people in parts of Wales and south-west England have been sent an emergency alert from the government as Storm Darragh approaches the UK.

It is the largest use of the warning system yet and has been sent to the mobile phones of people in areas covered by the Met Office red weather warning for the storm.

The alert made a loud siren-like sound when it was delivered to devices, even if they were set on silent. The alert lasted for around 10 seconds.

The Met Office issued a rare red warning - the most serious type - earlier on Friday for wind in anticipation of the approaching storm.

The Met Office only issues red warnings when meteorologists believe that dangerous, potentially life-threatening weather is expected imminently.

It is in place from 03:00 to 11:00 GMT on Saturday, covering western and southern coastal regions of Wales, as well as the Bristol Channel including parts of Bristol and Cardiff.

The areas under the red warning are forecast wind gusts of 90mph (144kmph) or more, which could lead to flying debris and falling trees, posing a danger to life, the Met Office said.

The government alert was sent to every compatible mobile phone in impacted areas, containing information about the red warning and guidance on how to stay safe into Saturday.

Outside of test scenarios, the alert system has been used twice before, though both times on a smaller scale.

The last Met Office red warning was issued in January for winds in north-east Scotland.

Amber warnings covering Northern Ireland, Wales and the west coast of England are in place on Saturday morning.

The winds are also expected to cause large waves, power cuts affecting mobile phone services, as well as damage to buildings and homes. Transport networks are also anticipated to be affected.

Heavy rain and strengthening winds will start to be felt across western parts of the UK on Friday evening as less serious yellow warnings come into force.

This weather pattern will turn into Storm Darragh moving into Saturday.

The Met Office said the strongest winds would subside by late Saturday morning, but that it would remain very windy until the evening, with amber warnings remaining in place until then.

A yellow rain warning, indicating a risk of flooding, is also in place in parts of the western UK.

In the north of Scotland, a yellow warning for snow is in place, with areas above 400m (1,300ft) getting up to 20cm (8in) of snow. Snow will affect higher parts of the A9 and A83, and may lead to disruption and potential closures.

The Irish Meteorological Service has also issued a red warning for wind from 22:00 on Friday across parts of counties Donegal, Leitrim and Sligo.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/81f5/live/7b0fa830-b3de-11ef-a2ca-e99d0c9a24e3.jpg.webp)

In Wales, all domestic football and rugby matches scheduled for Saturday have been cancelled, including Cardiff City's Championship fixture against Watford which had been due to kick off at 15:00 GMT.

Other postponed Saturday football matches include Newport County v Carlisle United in League Two and Plymouth v Oxford United in the Championship.

Meanwhile, Welsh Rugby Union has postponed all community rugby fixtures.

As the weather worsens on Friday evening, shops and cafes in Welsh towns are making the decision to close on Saturday the run-up to the festive period.

Across the UK, there have also been widespread cancellations of winter events and Christmas markets scheduled for the weekend.

In London, all of the Royal Parks will close on Saturday which includes the popular Winter Wonderland attraction in Hyde Park.

Some travel providers warned that services were likely to be affected.

Stena Line ferries said some services across the Irish Sea on Saturday would be cancelled, while the Scottish CalMac operator said some routes could face disruption at short notice.

National Rail said some train journeys in the south west would face disruption, and urged users to check their journey before setting off.

Bristol Airport warned passengers that "disruption is expected" and passengers should check with their airline before travelling.

SP Energy Networks, a Scottish energy firm, said it was mobilising engineers to respond to power cuts "as quickly as possible" but added that customers should tell them if they lose power.  "If you experience a power outage ... please don't assume we know about it."

The RAC has advised motorists to postpone their journeys due to the "highly unusual" red weather warning.  Spokeswoman Alice Simpson told the BBC: "Exposed rural and coastal routes will be particularly treacherous.  Drivers in these areas should be wary of any high-sided vehicles as they are at risk of being buffeted off course or, worse still, blown over."

Storm Darragh is the fourth named storm of the year, after Ashley, Bert and Conall.

Some parts of the UK are still recovering from Storm Bert, which caused extreme flooding and led to the deaths of five people in November.

Scientists say as the Earth's climate warms, extreme weather events will become more frequent. For every 1C rise in average temperature, the atmosphere can hold up to around 7% more moisture.

Globally, heavy rainfall events have become more frequent and intense over most land regions, according to the UN's climate body, which says the pattern will intensify with further warming.


All three of us in this household received that message on our mobile phones - it startled the heck out of us!

CfN.  ::)


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 06, 2024, 20:15:51
Latest from GWR:

https://www.gwr.com/sunday-disruption

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Travel advice following the recently issued storm weather warning and special events taking place across the GWR network:

Following red and amber weather warnings in relation to Storm Darragh on parts of our network, we are advising customers to change their plans if possible this weekend.

Although we expect to still be able to run train services, strong winds mean speed restrictions will be in place across the network, increasing journey times. Fallen trees and other debris may also impact services.

Customers with tickets for travel on GWR services on Saturday 7 and Sunday 8 December can be used on Monday 9 December.

If you no longer wish to travel this weekend you can claim a full refund at GWR.com/help-and-support/refunds

Please note Bath Christmas Market has been cancelled on Saturday.

For the latest journey information visit GWR.com/check.

On Sunday only, crew availability means a significantly reduced, amended timetable will be in place on long-distance services. Online journey planners are currently not correct and will be updated.

Please check your journey on Sunday morning for the latest information.

So no services or routes cancelled, just an advisory to change travel plans.

......which is pretty much the advice GWR give every weekend these days.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: UstiImmigrunt on December 06, 2024, 20:34:13
Amber and red warnings. The train service should be suspended altogether.

It’s not worth the risk of damage to trains & infrastructure and more importantly having stranded passengers.

It won't be. Lessons were learnt after Beast of the East. And forgotten in time for Storm Eunice.

The number of stranded staff for both of those weather incidents was considerable.

And how do the staff get in? How many car insurance companies will pay up if there's a car tree interface problem? When a red weather warning recommends do not travel, you don't travel.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: JayMac on December 06, 2024, 23:26:25
First experience of a government alert via mobile phone this evening.

Scared the bejeebus out of me while I was driving home from shopping.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 07, 2024, 07:04:20
As of 07:00, JourneyCheck had 10 'Line updates' and no less than 347 'Train cancellations'.

The map is very red.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: grahame on December 07, 2024, 07:49:19
As of 07:00, JourneyCheck had 10 'Line updates' and no less than 347 'Train cancellations'.

The map is very red.

Interesting comment I picked up elsewhere ...
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As usual the weather is to blame, rather then the failure of NR to cut the trees down.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 07, 2024, 08:13:03
Hopefully no-one injured........


Due to a tree blocking the railway between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
Due to Storm Darragh GWR a train has hit a tree at Shiplake and is unable to move.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: grahame on December 07, 2024, 09:14:06
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Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Penzance
Cancellations to services between Cardiff Central and Carmarthen
Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Cancellations to services between St Erth and St Ives
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton
Cancellations to services between Hereford and Worcester Foregate Street
Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Cancellations to services between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Taunton
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Reading
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Swindon via Melksham
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Weymouth via Yeovil Pen Mill
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Portsmouth Harbour via Salisbury
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Bristol Temple Meads
Cancellations to services between Salisbury and Warminster

386 services shown on our map as cancelled, 90 running short and 8 delayed.  It's on days like this that our system gets a real test of its robustness in conveying information.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Timmer on December 07, 2024, 09:29:01
Roof has just come off at Westbury station.

From Journeycheck:


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The station roof at Westbury has incurred significant damage from Storm Darragh, and is not safe to keep Westbury station open; therefore WESTBURY STATION IS CLOSED!

No trains will call in and out of Westbury until further notice. We are looking at various alternatives, but we do not expect to be able to source enough road transport to meet the demand, therefore customers are encouraged to delay their plans for today.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: JayMac on December 07, 2024, 09:50:33
A wild wild morning here in Taunton. We have a tree down near Mum's flat. It's blocked the cul-de-sac we're on so no one is getting out by car today.

A day for staying indoors I think. I certainly won't be out filming with the drone!

Stay safe folks.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: grahame on December 07, 2024, 10:16:27
GWR
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Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Penzance
Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Cancellations to services between St Erth and St Ives
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton
Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Taunton
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Reading
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Swindon via Melksham
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Weymouth via Yeovil Pen Mill
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Portsmouth Harbour via Salisbury
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Bristol Temple Meads
Cancellations to services between Cardiff Central and Carmarthen
Cancellations to services between Hereford and Worcester Foregate Street
Cancellations to services between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames

SWR
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Cancellations to services on all routes
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Salisbury
Cancellations to services between Romsey and Salisbury
Alterations to services between Yeovil Junction and Salisbury
Delays to services between Eastleigh and Fareham
Delays to services between Mortlake and Barnes
Cancellations to services between Exeter Central and Honiton
Cancellations to services between Southampton Central and Brockenhurst
Alterations to services between Surbiton and Effingham Junction
Cancellations to services between Havant and Petersfield

TfW
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13 railway lines have been fully suspended, and two other lines are being severely disrupted.

The lines currently suspended are

Llandudno – Blaenau Ffestiniog
Carmarthen – Pembroke Dock / Milford Haven / Fishguard Harbour
Chester – Liverpool Lime Street
Cardiff Central – Panrth / Bridgend via Barry
Cardiff Central – Bridgend / Maesteg / Swansea
Shrewsbury – Llanwrtyd
Machynlleth – Aberystwyth / Pwllheli
Pontypridd – Aberdare / Merthyr Tyfil / Treherbert
Rayr – Coryton
Cardiff Central – Rhymney
Chester – Holyhead
Shrewsbury – Chester / Birmingham International
Cardiff Bay – Cardiff Queen Street
The line between Cardiff Central / Crewe / Manchester Piccadilly and Shrewsbury is running but is expected to be severely delayed all day.

Cross Country
Quote
Cancellations to services between Cardiff Central and Nottingham
Cancellations to services between Manchester Piccadilly and Bournemouth
Cancellations to services between Birmingham New Street and Penzance



Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 07, 2024, 10:22:59
If anyone is really needing to travel between Devon and Cornwall the Tamar bridge is open - a pal has just been across it en route to watch Plymouth Albion this afternoon, their fixture having somehow survived the weather.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: UstiImmigrunt on December 07, 2024, 10:58:25
And to add to my previous car comment.

Both bridges shut and trees down on the A48. So how could the Welsh staff book on this morning?

And also the threats, don't book on equals a loss of pay for the day.

And higher management wonder why morale is low and staff aren't willing to help the company?


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 07, 2024, 11:05:19
Just read on another Forum that Chippenham footbridge has collapsed, blocking all lines.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: GBM on December 07, 2024, 11:40:39
1Z09 1025 Reading to Bristol Temple Meads being held/caustioned outside Chippenham at signal 1281 (running 33 minutes down), with service 1C10 1030 London Paddington to Exeter St Davids held behind it (8 down).


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Mark A on December 07, 2024, 13:37:45
A post from Bluesky: four photos from Westbury showing the damage to the station roof.

Mark

https://bsky.app/profile/disgruntledguard.bsky.social/post/3lcponjfgbc26 (https://bsky.app/profile/disgruntledguard.bsky.social/post/3lcponjfgbc26)


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Electric train on December 07, 2024, 14:25:36
Just read on another Forum that Chippenham footbridge has collapsed, blocking all lines.

Not the bridge its part of the canopy over the platform at Chippenham train station has sustained damage in the storm.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: eXPassenger on December 07, 2024, 17:11:15
Very surprised to hear an unattended phone talking in another room.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: ChrisB on December 07, 2024, 19:08:56
If anyone is really needing to travel between Devon and Cornwall the Tamar bridge is open - a pal has just been across it en route to watch Plymouth Albion this afternoon, their fixture having somehow survived the weather.

I think your pal might have been mistaken - the Plymouth v Oxford game was called off yesterday lunchtime. I spent some time in Chieveley services with them as their coach was in the process of returning to Oxford.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: JayMac on December 07, 2024, 19:43:45
If anyone is really needing to travel between Devon and Cornwall the Tamar bridge is open - a pal has just been across it en route to watch Plymouth Albion this afternoon, their fixture having somehow survived the weather.

I think your pal might have been mistaken - the Plymouth v Oxford game was called off yesterday lunchtime. I spent some time in Chieveley services with them as their coach was in the process of returning to Oxford.


 TG was talking about Plymouth Albion RFC. Not Plymouth Argyle FC.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: GBM on December 08, 2024, 07:47:56
There was a tree blocking both lines at Bodmin Parkway yesterday evening.
On journeycheck now
Customer Advice
The Cornish Main Line is now blocked at Bodmin Parkway due to a large tree on both lines.

Passengers are advised NOT TO TRAVEL.
Last Updated:08/12/2024 06:11

Opentraintimes confirmed this yesterday with TREE BLOK on both lines.

However, Opentraintime is NOT now showing a block at Bodmin, so guessing the tree was been removed overnight, but journeycheck not reflecting this.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: GBM on December 08, 2024, 08:37:33
5Z99 0825 Penzance to Plymouth.
Empty Coaching Stock
A test train perhaps.

6J84 0800 St Germans to Tavistock Jn (Civil Engineer) earlier ran down to Liskeard, reversed, and travelled to Tavistock Junction ok, so that section of line seems to be good for running.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: bradshaw on December 08, 2024, 08:44:26
RTT showing service Bristol to Weymouth via Westbury, starting with a VST lusted departure at 09.29. It was activated at 03.55

Then there is the 17.53 and 20.11 from Weymouth and the 17.48 and 2049 from Bristol, all WTT services

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:36498/2024-12-08/detailed


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: froome on December 08, 2024, 08:59:02
RTT showing service Bristol to Weymouth via Westbury, starting with a VST lusted departure at 09.29. It was activated at 03.55

Then there is the 17.53 and 20.11 from Weymouth and the 17.48 and 2049 from Bristol, all WTT services

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:36498/2024-12-08/detailed

Even in this wind, people do really want to get to Weymouth.  ;D


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: GBM on December 08, 2024, 09:23:43
RTT showing service Bristol to Weymouth via Westbury, starting with a VST lusted departure at 09.29. It was activated at 03.55

lusted
Too old and too cold!


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: grahame on December 08, 2024, 09:45:09
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Cancellations to services at Chippenham

Due to severe weather at Chippenham the line is blocked.

Train services running through this station will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice

Following damage from Storm Darragh, Chippenham Station has been declared not safe to operate. Therefore the station is closed, and trains are not calling there.

Customers requiring Chippenham are advised to travel to Swindon, where road transport will be available. If travelling from Bristol Temple Meads or Bath Spa, please board a London Paddington bound service and change at Swindon. For customers travelling from London Paddington or Reading, please alight at Swindon for transport. Please also be advised that due to availability, there may be a waiting time of up to 30 minutes at Swindon for road transport.

For customers arriving at Chippenham, LIMITED road transport is in operation for customers making local journeys towards Bath Spa, Swindon, Melksham, and Westbury.

Further Information
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
If you require further information please speak to our staff at the station or on the train, use the Customer Help Point, tweet us @GWRHelp or call National Rail Enquiries on 03457 484 950.

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Last Updated:08/12/2024 08:31

08:30 Semifast Exeter to Paddington is running to time; just skipped Westbury noted "UWA" (Up Westbury Avoider) and now running early. Expect it to wait for the clock at Pewsey.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: ChrisB on December 08, 2024, 19:25:00
From Thomas Lydon @ GWR

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Storm Darragh continues to have a considerable impact on services across our network. Trains are unable to run on several parts of the network and currently services remain suspended west of Cardiff Central, between Oxford and Hereford, on the Barnstaple and Okehampton lines, and on all branch lines in Cornwall.
 
Network Rail teams are working as we speak to get lines safely reopened as quickly as possible, including removing fallen trees and other debris, however some disruption is expected tomorrow morning (Mon 9 Dec), particularly between Carmarthen and Swansea, and on our Cornish branch lines.
 
Storm damage has also closed Westbury and Chippenham stations and this will remain the case tomorrow (Mon 9 Dec). Trains are operating between Cardiff Central and Bristol Temple Meads, and between Salisbury and Portsmouth Harbour. Limited connecting rail replacement bus services are in operation, including between Bath Spa/Swindon and Chippenham. The Night Riviera Sleeper service has been cancelled this evening, Sun 8 Dec.
 
The very latest travel information including on refunds and ticket acceptance is available at www.gwr.com/check or also from our social media sites at www.x.com/gwrhelp and www.x.com/networkrailwest. 
 
We apologise for the ongoing disruption, and as ever if there’s anything we can do to help please don’t hesitate to get in touch.
 
Best wishes
 
Tom & Tomos


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Timmer on December 08, 2024, 19:27:59
For anyone who relies on the train to get to work, west of Swindon it’s looking pretty grim tomorrow.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: bradshaw on December 08, 2024, 19:58:09
Update from GWR at 19.35
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  Westbury station has been closed as a safety precaution, and trains are unable to call there. The ticket office is closed.

This will not be fixed until Tuesday 10th December at the earliest, therefore no trains will operate to or from Westbury on Monday 9th December 2024.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Timmer on December 08, 2024, 20:21:43
Update from GWR at 19.35
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  Westbury station has been closed as a safety precaution, and trains are unable to call there. The ticket office is closed.

This will not be fixed until Tuesday 10th December at the earliest, therefore no trains will operate to or from Westbury on Monday 9th December 2024.
The question is where does this leave commuters from the likes of Warminster, Frome, Trowbridge, Melksham and Bradford on Avon to Swindon, Bath and Bristol?


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: grahame on December 08, 2024, 20:26:54
Update from GWR at 19.35
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  Westbury station has been closed as a safety precaution, and trains are unable to call there. The ticket office is closed.

This will not be fixed until Tuesday 10th December at the earliest, therefore no trains will operate to or from Westbury on Monday 9th December 2024.
The question is where does this leave commuters from the likes of Warminster, Frome, Trowbridge, Melksham and Bradford on Avon to Swindon, Bath and Bristol?

It leaves them working from home, or loosing a day's pay, or catching the bus, driving or getting a lift. Sad thing is that if that works well for them, they'll do it more often or perhaps always.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 08, 2024, 20:29:38
Fair question, Timmer.

How about a fleet of coaches being provided, as road replacement transport?

After all, they've had 24 hours to get it organised.  ::)


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: AMLAG on December 08, 2024, 21:05:01

On the face of it, it’s rather surprising that an emergency hourly TT for the many hundreds of commuters etc to Bath and Bristol has not been planned to run between Trowbridge and Bristol TM and VV serving all stations, with trains running empty between Trowbridge and Westbury North to cross over.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: ChrisB on December 08, 2024, 21:20:30
Fair question, Timmer.

How about a fleet of coaches being provided, as road replacement transport?

After all, they've had 24 hours to get it organised.  ::)

And where do you suppose they find a fleet of coaches on a school day, at school time?


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: Timmer on December 08, 2024, 21:20:42
Fair question, Timmer.

How about a fleet of coaches being provided, as road replacement transport?

After all, they've had 24 hours to get it organised.  ::)
As you asked so nicely…
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VERY limited road transport is operating between Bristol Temple Meads and Salisbury, via stations on route.

What that looks like is anybody’s guess but I highly doubt it’s going to be a usable replacement for commuter train services.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: GBM on December 09, 2024, 05:29:42
Bus and coach companies everywhere are struggling to find and keep drivers as it is.
There's been a steady drip of drivers leaving First Kernow and moving across to Transport for Cornwall services and operators.
First have just enough vehicles to cover school/college duties and service runs.
However, with an elderly fleet, breakdowns are also increasing, so service runs are cut to keep education services going!
No spare coaches/drivers this end of the world!


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: grahame on December 09, 2024, 05:59:55
Looks like someone (THANK YOU) has been working very hard fixing / checking overnight and both Chippenham and Westbury are re-opened this morning ... breaking news ...

We are going to agree to disagree about the reasonableness of having three old stations all fail in the exceptional wind.   And rather like boxing day trains, we will generate a lot of heat in discussion but in the end it's just an occasional incident ... in my view what is much more important is the safety of people at these time and secondly the ongoing "lack of crew" and "your line needed for engineering works [elsewhere]" that we're back to at my home station tomorrow!


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 09, 2024, 06:53:17
Looks like someone (THANK YOU) has been working very hard fixing / checking overnight and both Chippenham and Westbury are re-opened this morning ... breaking news ...

We are going to agree to disagree about the reasonableness of having three old stations all fail in the exceptional wind.   And rather like boxing day trains, we will generate a lot of heat in discussion but in the end it's just an occasional incident ... in my view what is much more important is the safety of people at these time and secondly the ongoing "lack of crew" and "your line needed for engineering works [elsewhere]" that we're back to at my home station tomorrow!

A remarkable recovery - it's fortunate that roofers have Sundays in the working week!  ;)


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: a-driver on December 09, 2024, 12:33:45
A remarkable recovery - it's fortunate that roofers have Sundays in the working week!  ;)

Maybe not so much in the working week, more ££££ in their pocket!

Anything can be fixed when the offer is right.


Title: Re: Storm Darragh to batter UK amid weather warnings for rain and 80mph winds
Post by: broadgage on December 10, 2024, 06:39:05
Sunday is also in the working week for power company fault finding and repair teams. Some of whom actually ENJOY storms, and the consequent overtime.
I know of one who intends to buy a house "a couple more decent storms should pay the deposit"


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: grahame on March 18, 2025, 09:53:09
Perhaps out of context for this thread ... but has me wondering about water on an IET?

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07:00 Gloucester to Plymouth due 10:31

07:00 Gloucester to Plymouth due 10:31 will no longer call at Dawlish and Teignmouth.
This is due to forecasted severe weather.

Understand the potential problem at Dawlish, but didn't think that Teignmouth would be a risk?


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: Bob_Blakey on March 19, 2025, 08:34:41
The easterly wind was very strong in the Exeter area yesterday so the sea would have been surging directly towards the railway line. As a result of this I suspect NR would have implemented Single Line Working (SLW) between DWW and TGM (West) and would have cancelled these station calls to avoid making the resulting capacity issue even worse.


Title: Re: Bad weather warning, from the BBC, for this weekend
Post by: grahame on March 19, 2025, 09:31:06
The easterly wind was very strong in the Exeter area yesterday so the sea would have been surging directly towards the railway line. As a result of this I suspect NR would have implemented Single Line Working (SLW) between DWW and TGM (West) and would have cancelled these station calls to avoid making the resulting capacity issue even worse.

Ah yes - that makes some sense.  Not that an IET would get drowned at Teignmouth as it might have at Dawlish, but rather these stops were left out because they had become stations on a highly limiting (capacity wise) single line section for the duration of the storm.


Title: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 29, 2025, 20:24:46
From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0m9yez3780o):

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The UK saw its warmest day of the year on Tuesday with a peak of 24.9C (76.8F) recorded - and forecasters predicting that later this week could see the hottest start to May on record.

The highest temperatures were seen in Ross-on-Wye in the West Midlands and Trawscoed in the west of Wales - surpassing 2025's previous high of 24.5C recorded at St James's Park in London on Monday.

Forecasters say the current warm spell could see temperatures peak at 29C on the first day of the new month on Thursday, as many voters head to the polls for local elections in England.

High UV and pollen levels also likely. The weather will gradually cool over the bank holiday weekend, although it will stay dry and sunny for most.

Peak temperatures in Scotland on Tuesday varied between 17C in the Northern Isles and 22.4C at Aboyne, while 22.2C was recorded at Derrylin in Northern Ireland.

They will widely be in the low to mid-twenties on Wednesday, with the hottest weather likely in the London area at 27C.

The last time this temperature was recorded in April was in 2018 in Cambridge.

(Article continues)




Title: Re: Warmest day of year as UK temperature hits 24.9C - April 2025
Post by: JayMac on April 29, 2025, 23:01:45
I put the shorts on for the first time this year.

And Finn had his cooling mat for the car.


Title: Re: Warmest day of year as UK temperature hits 24.9C - April 2025
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 29, 2025, 23:56:15

I put the shorts on for the first time this year.


Too much information.  :o



Title: Re: Warmest day of year as UK temperature hits 24.9C - April 2025
Post by: UstiImmigrunt on April 30, 2025, 06:26:01
It is forecast to be into the mid 20s today in Ústí nad Labem.


Title: Re: Warmest day of year as UK temperature hits 24.9C - April 2025
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 30, 2025, 19:20:22
Easy for you to say.  ;D


Title: Thunderstorms forecast despite driest spring for decades - 12 May 2025
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 11, 2025, 21:06:13
From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3wdpwv9n3jo):

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A yellow weather warning has been issued for thunderstorms, which could lead to flooding in parts of England and Wales.

The warning covers areas including Wales, the Midlands, west of England, London and the South East from 12:00 BST to 22:00 on Monday, the Met Office said.

Up to 50mm (1.9in) of rain could fall within a few hours, with a possibility of delays and some cancellations to train and bus services.

England has had its driest start to spring for 69 years, the Environment Agency said earlier this month.

Showers are forecast to drift in from the south in the early hours of Monday, the Met Office said.

Temperatures across the board are due to remain mild in the high teens or early 20s.

The Met Office said there was the "potential for minor localised issues" and flash flooding.

Sunshine and settled conditions will return across the UK for the rest of the week, with temperatures forecast to reach 23C in some parts.

Last week, the Environment Agency warned that water companies that more must be done to safeguard water supplies.

Many places have gone without any rain for weeks, including Preston in Lancashire and parts of Fife which have been dry since mid-April.

According to the UK Centre for Ecology and Hydrology's three month Drought Index, large parts of the UK are in the 'extremely dry' category.

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My highlighting - CfN.  :)



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