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Title: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on January 18, 2023, 23:10:43
Allegedly a Tweet late this evening from Cherilyn Mackrory MP indicates that the 'go ahead' has been announced - Nothing on DfT site yet.

https://www.cherilynmackrory.org.uk/news/mid-cornwall-metro-project-track-levelling-plans-win-government-approval

EDIT FOUND IT

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-levelling-up-fund-to-spark-transformational-change-across-the-uk


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Mark A on January 19, 2023, 11:09:34


EDIT FOUND IT

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-levelling-up-fund-to-spark-transformational-change-across-the-uk

A £50 million grant will help create a new direct train service, linking 4 of Cornwall’s largest urban areas: Newquay, St Austell, Truro, and Falmouth/Penryn.

Wondering about the implications of 'Direct'...

[Edit] Ah, 'Direct' as in 'Through trains Falmouth-Newquay'.

Mark


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: GBM on January 19, 2023, 12:06:59

[Edit] Ah, 'Direct' as in 'Through trains Falmouth-Newquay' (Without having to change trains at Par it seems).

Mark

However, two units on the Falmouth branch and one on Newquay, so maybe an additional unit required?
In addition to additional unit(s) for the Portishead/Avonmouth/Bristol line.
With the HST's going, more units required - splitting the 800's in 5 car for long distances will cause serious overcrowding.  So where will these additional units come from?
There's several 769's going spare..................(NO, not a serious suggestion).


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on January 19, 2023, 13:07:22
So where will these additional units come from?

How is timing on the release of some units by TfW ... 150s, 153s, 158s should become available at some point. Depends on the timescale for the loop at St Dennis to up the service to hourly, I suspect.  Will the loop at Goonbarrow remain?


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: bradshaw on January 19, 2023, 13:27:12
Interview on Radio Cornwall by Andy Bowes-Roden, deputy editor of Modern Railways, dealing with the announcement. Mention that BR closed the wrong Newquay line fir this to have much effect.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dxckgn


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: The Tall Controller on January 19, 2023, 16:31:39
Having the St Dennis line in would have helped greatly but still plenty of positives. Lots of news outlets are choosing to focus on the Newquay-Falmouth direct element of it, but for me, the bigger benefits lie within:

  • Hourly services to/from Newquay = better connectivity and attractiveness
  • Earlier/later services than currently
  • Direct St Austell-Newquay journeys
  • Direct St Austell-Falmouth journeys
  • More capacity on the Newquay branch for special events
  • Direct London-Newquay services to supplement the hourly timetable

It will be interesting to see how the clay traffic fits around this timetable.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on January 19, 2023, 17:21:35
So where will these additional units come from?

How is timing on the release of some units by TfW ... 150s, 153s, 158s should become available at some point. Depends on the timescale for the loop at St Dennis to up the service to hourly, I suspect.  Will the loop at Goonbarrow remain?

Yes, Goonbarrow Junction loop will remain, Graham. 


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: infoman on January 19, 2023, 19:19:39
BBC spotlight(south west of England local news) at 18:30pm on thursday had a good item on the above story.

Play again facilty available for TWENTY FOURS ONLY.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on January 20, 2023, 07:01:09
Yes, Goonbarrow Junction loop will remain, Graham. 

Thanks for that clarification.  It makes sense, with the clock face / hourly Newquay to Falmouth trains crossing at St Dennis, and other services such as the train from London passing the regular service at Goonbarrow and getting into Newquay just before the next service to Falmouth (the one that was ahead of it) leaves.  An intermediate signal to let two trains follow on the single line into Newquay may be needed, but I'm getting down to fine detail.  On this scenario, the long distance train has an appropriate longer turn around time at Newquay than the Falmouth train - neat!

As I understand it (and RichardB undertands it far better than I do), with the two loops the line's capacity is an hourly clock face service PLUS one extra train per 2 hours each way all the way to Newquay; that path could also be used for the clay trains to Goonbarrow / I would need to do further work to understand London express (and could we have Cross Country to Manchester or Leeds?) interaction with the clay.

On another note, I concur that through traffic end to end (Newquay to Falmouth Dock) will be only a small part of the business the train does - the vast majority being intermediate traffic, but lots of that traffic being "across" Par and "across" Truro giving lots of people on the various segments of the route.   There's a parallel here with the number of passengers on trains leaving Cardiff Central who are destined for Portsmouth Harbour being pretty small, though the trains are so busy that they consistently should be 5 carriages long.



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Jamsdad on January 20, 2023, 17:13:11
I suspect the two main improved passenger flows will be Truro -St Austell, which should have a very good, and genuinely walk-up service when you add in n the current half hourly service, and more long-distance connections through to Newquay at Par. The infrequency of the current Newquay -Par  deters a fair few from travelling on up country. I still think rerouting the Newquay brach via Burngullow  has to be the longer term preference.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: REVUpminster on January 21, 2023, 07:25:49
I suspect the two main improved passenger flows will be Truro -St Austell, which should have a very good, and genuinely walk-up service when you add in n the current half hourly service, and more long-distance connections through to Newquay at Par. The infrequency of the current Newquay -Par  deters a fair few from travelling on up country. I still think rerouting the Newquay brach via Burngullow  has to be the longer term preference.

The siding at St Austell could be used to reverse trains.
One of the stock moves of a 150 is the train operating the Looe branch stables overnight at Par then does the Newquay service the following day as it doesn't need refuelling. A 150 has quite a complicated week starting at Exeter on the Devon Metro on to Gunnislake, into Cornwall on to the branches being serviced at Penzance before heading back to Exeter. Don't know how long the cycle take.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on January 26, 2023, 13:39:10
Interesting interview with Steve Double MP about Mid Cornwall Metro on Radio Cornwall from last week.  Starts at 18 min 30s.  As you'll see, we have a bit of work to do to promote the benefits of the project.....      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dssr45


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on January 26, 2023, 14:11:27
Interesting interview with Steve Double MP about Mid Cornwall Metro on Radio Cornwall from last week.  Starts at 18 min 30s.  As you'll see, we have a bit of work to do to promote the benefits of the project.....      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dssr45

Indeed you have, Richard.  I'm comforted by hearing an MP very much more knowledgable than some I have come across, and no objections that are from "left field".  Misunderstanding that its prime role is for passengers getting on at Newquay and travelling all the way to Falmouth, and the usual NIMBY or reverse NIMBY - "why is the money not all being spent in MY town".   (( I have described this here so we have a historic recording after the radio show has been overwritten ))



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Andy on October 26, 2023, 13:15:36
Given how much Newquay has grown, and in keeping with the "metro" concept of this project, I wonder if a halt halfway between Quintrell Downs and Newquay, somewhere in the vicinity of Treloggan Industrial Estate-Tretherras-Trencreek, providing a fast connection between the housing/industrial estates inland and the town centre/beaches, across the valley spanned by Trenance viaduct, might be something worth exploring. Also, a park-and-ride facility at St Columb Road just off the A30 could generate custom and reduce congestion in the summer months.



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Noggin on October 26, 2023, 13:33:08
Link doesn't work for me but there's an older interview, including a rebuttal of the Mayor of Falmouth saying that it is a complete waste of money. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dxq0xq (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dxq0xq)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on November 21, 2023, 17:46:56
Maybe looking a bit dodgy....
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/grave-concerns-financial-risk-57m-8923372


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Kernow Otter on November 22, 2023, 20:37:22
Unfortunately, there remains a vocal minority cohort, down here who wouldn't be happy with a daily gold plated pasty, wrapped in a winning lottery ticket.  I suspect most of them work for Cornwall Live. 

I still miss the free crayons for use in the comments....


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on December 11, 2023, 11:08:07
This Wednesday is the key Cornwall Council Cabinet meeting where the decision will be taken whether the Council wishes to proceed with the Mid Cornwall Metro project or not.  As has been seen in the report of the Scrutiny Committee, if they go ahead, the Council will be the Accountable Body, responsible for picking up any overspends.

The papers for the meeting are now online and make for a fascinating read  https://democracy.cornwall.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=577&MId=13001&Ver=4 (https://democracy.cornwall.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=577&MId=13001&Ver=4)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Noggin on December 13, 2023, 17:23:57
Looks like its been approved

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/council-news/transport-streets-and-waste/green-light-for-mid-cornwall-metro-initiative-to-transform-transport-links-in-cornwall/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo (https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/council-news/transport-streets-and-waste/green-light-for-mid-cornwall-metro-initiative-to-transform-transport-links-in-cornwall/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on December 13, 2023, 22:58:39
Certainly has.  Great news.

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/once-generation-mid-cornwall-metro-8972641 (https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/once-generation-mid-cornwall-metro-8972641)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on December 14, 2023, 18:23:01
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https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-public-transport-call-extra-8970904?fbclid=IwAR3XOaTqejGmWY3H5oa82DZ_Kd15Xc8EsPM1IhsnzyLLdtgnnHOId4mp6E8



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on December 14, 2023, 20:25:48
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https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-public-transport-call-extra-8970904?fbclid=IwAR3XOaTqejGmWY3H5oa82DZ_Kd15Xc8EsPM1IhsnzyLLdtgnnHOId4mp6E8



Bert Biscoe, who is a great guy, has been calling for this for years.  It's not going to happen.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Andy on December 19, 2023, 08:33:18
If a new halt is built on the MCM route, it should be near Trencreek in Newquay, in my opinion. The town is spreading inland quite rapidly and a rail link connecting the newly developed areas across Trenance valley viaduct to the town centre would be far quicker than any car/bus. St Columb Road would make a good park and ride site for traffic off the A30/A39 into Newquay, too.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on February 06, 2024, 20:23:14
The MCM now has it's own website -

https://midcornwallmetro.com

The local publicity drive started today.



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: REVUpminster on February 07, 2024, 07:51:31
It looks good, but will they have the stock. 150s might be available from Wales because 2 car trains between Truro/Par and Newquay might not be enough.

Will they make the loop as long as possible so it becomes dynamic and the trains do not have to stop?


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: anthony215 on February 07, 2024, 09:24:31
It looks good, but will they have the stock. 150s might be available from Wales because 2 car trains between Truro/Par and Newquay might not be enough.

Will they make the loop as long as possible so it becomes dynamic and the trains do not have to stop?


We been told TFW to start sending class 150s off lease from August but it will be as units come up for major examples.

 This will depend though znd how the rollout of the class 756s on the valley lines goes and further introduction of the class 197s


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: chopper1944 on February 07, 2024, 10:12:40
Is it possible to access platform 3 from the up main line, or can the line to Newquay be accessed from platform 2? It has been a while since I've visited Par station despite having been born in St. Austell. Is it possible to access the down main line from platform 2 or platform 3?


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: alexross42 on February 07, 2024, 11:42:59
From what I can tell, the Newquay branch (plat 3) connects to the up main (plat 2) and then there is a crossover to the down main


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on February 07, 2024, 13:54:10
From what I can tell, the Newquay branch (plat 3) connects to the up main (plat 2) and then there is a crossover to the down main

I would agree

(https://www.wellho.info/pix/partop.jpg)

The extra crossover being out of shot.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on February 08, 2024, 10:21:53
From what I can tell, the Newquay branch (plat 3) connects to the up main (plat 2) and then there is a crossover to the down main

correct, and at both ends as well.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on February 08, 2024, 16:48:07
FROM PERSONAL contacts, the apathy and antagonism to this plan from my acquaintances and on Facebook leads me to think that it won't progress to a conclusion. I note already apparent cutbacks, no mention is made on the website of the proposed platform extension at Falmouth Town and the enhancement of Falmouth Docks. I also fear that the reversal time at Par will be detrimental to the overall experience. The question of new rolling stock has to be raised too, using 20+ year old equipment on a 'flagship' scheme really isn't on. I note the discussion elsewhere on replacement rolling stock for local services might have relevance. 


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: eightonedee on February 08, 2024, 20:50:13
Quote
using 20+ year old equipment on a 'flagship' scheme really isn't on.

Actually 37-40 year old stock, but your point is well made.

I had previously thought about posting that perhaps this should be promoted as a heritage diesel experience........

Might this change soon in the light of recent posts about tendering for new stock for the GW network?


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: anthony215 on February 08, 2024, 23:01:05
Tfws 150279 is due to eave Landore depot soon to go to sims for scrap


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on February 08, 2024, 23:38:07
Tfws 150279 is due to eave Landore depot soon to go to sims for scrap

My first reaction was horror - but this is a unit that's been OOU due to fire damage since May 2022
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/26386


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Noggin on February 09, 2024, 09:52:00
FROM PERSONAL contacts, the apathy and antagonism to this plan from my acquaintances and on Facebook leads me to think that it won't progress to a conclusion. I note already apparent cutbacks, no mention is made on the website of the proposed platform extension at Falmouth Town and the enhancement of Falmouth Docks. I also fear that the reversal time at Par will be detrimental to the overall experience. The question of new rolling stock has to be raised too, using 20+ year old equipment on a 'flagship' scheme really isn't on. I note the discussion elsewhere on replacement rolling stock for local services might have relevance. 

You've got to start somewhere with any kind of rail improvements and for most punters a train is a train - so long as it's on-time, clean, a nice temperature, well lit and doesn't break down they will be happy.

That gets the early-adopters on, people change their behaviour, even move house to take advantage in some cases, and as ridership builds, so does the business case for longer and more frequent trains, infrastructure enhancements etc.

The way that Network Rail works these days is that little gets announced until it's costed, planned & agreed with all concerned. The Falmouth station improvements are likely still in the planning stages.

Using older stock doesn't seem to have done the Okehampton line much harm.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 09, 2024, 10:16:39
Melksham started off with single car 153s, as did the new service via Kenilworth.  The latter then went to 2-car Class 172s and now Class 196s - all in the space of five years.

Get it in and established, and then you can develop it.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: jamestheredengine on February 09, 2024, 21:46:56
Tfws 150279 is due to eave Landore depot soon to go to sims for scrap

My first reaction was horror - but this is a unit that's been OOU due to fire damage since May 2022
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/26386
I hope the digger owner's insurers have paid for replacement DMUs.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: DaveHarries on July 16, 2024, 23:03:58
I am not sure if this relates to the need for the extra platform at Newquay and the new passing loop at Goss Moor but the engineering works section on GWR's website says that buses replace trains between Par and Newquay from Monday 18th November until Sunday 01st December.

Dave


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on July 27, 2024, 21:09:41
Interesting if so, but I suspect it's the return of the annual maintenance, vegetation clearance schedules previously run. If so I'd expect to see similar closures on the St. Ives, Falmouth, Looe and Gunnislake branches timetabled shortly.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on August 28, 2024, 12:16:38
Thanks to the Tall Controller for the photos he has just posted on Twitter of work underway at Newquay on the new second platform

 https://twitter.com/DCRailPart/status/1828749943542341841  (https://twitter.com/DCRailPart/status/1828749943542341841)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on September 03, 2024, 12:06:23
Just trying out the current, semi Cornwall metro. 11.55 Truro to Newquay, arrives at 13.10. Interestingly it only has 2 minutes at Par, I'll see how it actually does.



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: PhilWakely on September 03, 2024, 12:09:03
Just trying out the current, semi Cornwall metro. 11.55 Truro to Newquay, arrives at 13.10. Interestingly it only has 2 minutes at Par, I'll see how it actually does.

It is only a 2-car 150, so it should manage the two minutes  ;)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on September 03, 2024, 13:35:13
Reversing at Par not a problem and arrived in Newquay at 13.07, 3 early


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on September 07, 2024, 11:10:01
They are really cracking on with the second platform at Newquay.  Here's a piece from the Newquay Voice which includes a short video of the contractors at work.  Apologies for all the ads!

 https://www.voicenewspapers.co.uk/news/work-on-second-platform-at-newquay-train-station-taking-shape-719347  (https://www.voicenewspapers.co.uk/news/work-on-second-platform-at-newquay-train-station-taking-shape-719347)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 07, 2024, 11:38:35
How long is the new platform going to be?

The sharp curve to the right will make dispatch far from ideal.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on September 07, 2024, 19:34:31
How long is the new platform going to be?

The sharp curve to the right will make dispatch far from ideal.

It'll be about 85m and only for the branch trains. 


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Andy on September 18, 2024, 13:58:21
How long is the new platform going to be?

The sharp curve to the right will make dispatch far from ideal.

It'll be about 85m and only for the branch trains. 

Will the points be further out (to future proof a later extension) or immediately after the platform?


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: The Tall Controller on September 19, 2024, 07:15:49
They'll need to be beyond the platform in order to allow trains in and out while a longer train is stabled in the existing platform.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Andy on September 19, 2024, 13:27:49
They'll need to be beyond the platform in order to allow trains in and out while a longer train is stabled in the existing platform.

Thanks - I now realise my question was badly-phrased.  :-[

I meant will the points be at the end of the "long"/current platform or further out?

 
 


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: The Tall Controller on September 19, 2024, 16:37:35
They'll need to be beyond the platform in order to allow trains in and out while a longer train is stabled in the existing platform.

Thanks - I now realise my question was badly-phrased.  :-[

I meant will the points be at the end of the "long"/current platform or further out?

 
 

Not sure on that one I'm afraid, although even if it is next to the end of the platform, there's still plenty of room for extension.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on November 14, 2024, 18:44:15
One element of the project needs addressing quickly, the absolutely dire state of mobile coverage to/from Par until the trains from/to Newquay get to/from Roche. If this is a serious investment on the route, whoever is planning this needs to talk urgently to the Mobile operators and get this sorted PDQ. A forced break in connection will be most unwelcome.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on January 23, 2025, 19:02:26
Can someone post a link to Google Maps (or similar) showing the location of the passing loop? It really is poor that such work plans are not piublished in detail from NR.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 23, 2025, 20:51:16
Can someone post a link to Google Maps (or similar) showing the location of the passing loop? It really is poor that such work plans are not piublished in detail from NR.

It’s from roughly 293 3/4 to 294 mileposts.  To be known as Goss Moor Loop.

The new signalling is to be commissioned on Monday 24th March.  The existing electronic token block and one-train working is being replaced by ‘proper’ colour light signals controlled from Goodbarrow Junction box using axle counters.  Existing semaphores will remain at the box with Track Circuits.

I’m not sure if the new signals will feed out to the wider world so we can see the trains on the likes of Signalmaps and OpenTrainTimes…let’s hope so!


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: ellendune on January 23, 2025, 20:59:46
Can someone post a link to Google Maps (or similar) showing the location of the passing loop? It really is poor that such work plans are not piublished in detail from NR.

It’s from roughly 293 3/4 to 294 mileposts.  To be known as Goss Moor Loop.
So that would be just north/west of the site of St Dennis Junction where the A30 crosses the line?


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Witham Bobby on January 24, 2025, 10:12:54
Can someone post a link to Google Maps (or similar) showing the location of the passing loop? It really is poor that such work plans are not piublished in detail from NR.



It’s from roughly 293 3/4 to 294 mileposts.  To be known as Goss Moor Loop.
So that would be just north/west of the site of St Dennis Junction where the A30 crosses the line?

St Dennis Jcn 294m 17ch.  So the nearest milepost to the old junction was 294 1/4.  So you're right


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on January 24, 2025, 18:12:50
So here then

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.4044747,-4.9046099,749m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Witham Bobby on January 27, 2025, 11:28:07
Maybe a small platform for the Gnome World inhabitants could be provided at the same time?


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Andy on February 10, 2025, 21:35:04
If a small platform is to be added, I reckon it should be by Treloggan crossing between Quintrell Downs and Newquay. Newquay is hilly, sprawling and growing very fast (a bit like Falmouth) and a halt inland enabling travel into the town centre/beaches from the outskirts, and towards St Austell without having to get into the town centre first would fit in with the metro concept.

I think a trick was missed in putting a loop on Goss Moor instead of relaying the 2m of track from St Dennis Junction to Parkandillack. That would have effectively created a huge loop between Par & St Dennis junction. That said, it's great to see the "poor relation" of Cornish branches finally being invested in.
 

 


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: alexross42 on February 11, 2025, 09:52:19
If a small platform is to be added, I reckon it should be by Treloggan crossing between Quintrell Downs and Newquay. Newquay is hilly, sprawling and growing very fast (a bit like Falmouth) and a halt inland enabling travel into the town centre/beaches from the outskirts, and towards St Austell without having to get into the town centre first would fit in with the metro concept.

I think a trick was missed in putting a loop on Goss Moor instead of relaying the 2m of track from St Dennis Junction to Parkandillack. That would have effectively created a huge loop between Par & St Dennis junction. That said, it's great to see the "poor relation" of Cornish branches finally being invested in.
 

 

Although the missing section is only 2 miles long would the existing track from Parkandillack to Burngullow then need to be altered/upgraded to be suitable for passenger traffic? That would inevitably add significant extra costs, plus there would be need for at least one level crossing on the missing section, all of which would probably tip the cost to benefit ratio too far the wrong way  :-\



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: The Tall Controller on February 11, 2025, 10:01:30
I would quite like to see a new station for Nansledan which is only going to continue growing towards the railway line. If it went on the new road between Nansledan and the A392, it could also serve the south/east end of Newquay quite nicely.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on February 11, 2025, 13:09:14
If a small platform is to be added, I reckon it should be by Treloggan crossing between Quintrell Downs and Newquay. Newquay is hilly, sprawling and growing very fast (a bit like Falmouth) and a halt inland enabling travel into the town centre/beaches from the outskirts, and towards St Austell without having to get into the town centre first would fit in with the metro concept.

I think a trick was missed in putting a loop on Goss Moor instead of relaying the 2m of track from St Dennis Junction to Parkandillack. That would have effectively created a huge loop between Par & St Dennis junction. That said, it's great to see the "poor relation" of Cornish branches finally being invested in.
 

 

Although the missing section is only 2 miles long would the existing track from Parkandillack to Burngullow then need to be altered/upgraded to be suitable for passenger traffic? That would inevitably add significant extra costs, plus there would be need for at least one level crossing on the missing section, all of which would probably tip the cost to benefit ratio too far the wrong way  :-\



You're right.  I know the County Council and then Cornwall Council looked long and hard at the Parkandillack line more than once and it was just too expensive to convert to a passenger line, on top of the extra cost of the connection to the existing line.  I don't know the detail.

   


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on February 11, 2025, 16:31:52
Drove east on the A30 this morning, got a couple of seconds of glimpse of the cleared loop area on Goss Moor, Are there any recommendations for a 'viewpoint'? I really have tried to find one on the maps without apparent success.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: TonyK on February 24, 2025, 20:26:04
This made the BBC local news tonight, with a report on the  BBC website for Cornwall  (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgj545j52wno)

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Metro project to 'change face of Newquay'

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A new platform and second track have been created at Newquay Railway Station

Seb Noble
BBC Cornwall Political Reporter
Published
24 February 2025, 06:17 GMT

A £50m project improving rail services to Newquay will "change the face" of the town, Network Rail has said.

The latest phase of work on the Mid-Cornwall Project has started with 400m of new track being laid at Goss Moor to form a "passing loop".

A new platform and track have already been created at Newquay station to allow an hourly train between the town and Par instead of the current two-hourly service.

(Continues at source)

The only downside seems to be a period of line closure with bustitutions for the next month.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: infoman on February 25, 2025, 02:55:03
item on Monday 24 February 2025

Par to Newquay branch line closed for the next month up to and including Sunday 23rd March 2025 due to the following works

Goss Moor 400 meters of new track also improvements at St Blazey and renovation work on the ponts mill viaduct

cost of works 50 million pounds


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: GBM on February 25, 2025, 09:04:55
item on Monday 24 February 2025

Par to Newquay branch line closed for the next month up to and including Sunday 23rd March 2025 due to the following works

Goss Moor 400 meters of new track also improvements at St Blazey and renovation work on the ponts mill viaduct

cost of works 50 million pounds
Mentioned earlier here -
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=27102.msg358774#msg358774


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Noggin on February 25, 2025, 09:28:04
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Wouldn't that look nice with some overhead electrification and a Stadler unit in GWR green?


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: GBM on February 25, 2025, 10:46:59

Wouldn't that look nice with some overhead electrification and a Stadler unit in GWR green?

Or battery - less knitting!


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: John D on February 25, 2025, 11:39:08
Are they still using bullhead rail, or is it an old photo


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on February 25, 2025, 12:43:20
Are they still using bullhead rail, or is it an old photo

Pretty current picture.   Here is how it looked five years ago


(https://www.wellho.info/pix/nqy20200320.jpg)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on February 25, 2025, 19:13:17
Got as close as possible to the Goss Moor loop today after finally sussing out where to be to do that. The site is a complete mudbath after the weekend. It really looks, although obviously it isn't going to be, like an impossible job.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 02, 2025, 11:43:08
I read in RAIL magazine that the hourly Newquay branch service won’t be starting until September.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RichardB on March 03, 2025, 07:23:29
I read in RAIL magazine that the hourly Newquay branch service won’t be starting until September.

https://midcornwallmetro.com/2025/02/stage-three-of-mid-cornwall-metro-work-underway/ (https://midcornwallmetro.com/2025/02/stage-three-of-mid-cornwall-metro-work-underway/)

Here's the latest on the scheme.  Looking at that Rail piece, it says the commissioning work for the signals will be in September and the service introduction will be after that.  Slightly different to saying the service will start in Sept.  Too early to say and we'll see soon enough.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Andy on March 03, 2025, 18:08:43
Perhaps a word could be had with HRH The Duke to see if the Duchy might be inclined to contribute to the financing of a "Nansleden Platform/Nansleden Road/Gorsaf Nansleden".

 


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on March 03, 2025, 18:32:03
Some stunning photos in this Facebook Group of the loop and associated works, including one, taken from a drone, showing two trains side-by-side within the loop. (Not direct linking due copyright claims on some)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/384010423010289/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=1403705101040811



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Pb_devon on March 04, 2025, 07:51:34
And many more on the CRS news page: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/latest-input--news--old-pictures-etc


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Noggin on March 04, 2025, 10:08:48
Perhaps a word could be had with HRH The Duke to see if the Duchy might be inclined to contribute to the financing of a "Nansleden Platform/Nansleden Road/Gorsaf Nansleden".  

I think this has been discussed elsewhere, but Quintrell Downs station is about a mile away and given the short distance, there's little sense in adding an extra station between there and Newquay.

Of course what would really make a difference is trams - the airport alone gets 400k passengers/year and has 500 people working around it. If the Duchy could somehow kick that off, even with an electric bus "virtual tramway" - that would surely make a huge difference to the town. 
 


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on March 19, 2025, 17:58:53
I think this shows where a chunk of the money's going....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0vpyll03o


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 19, 2025, 18:27:07
I have now expanded the heading of this topic, in the interests of clarity and ease of future reference.

CfN.  :)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: TonyK on March 22, 2025, 18:00:48
I think this shows where a chunk of the money's going....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0vpyll03o


The layman could be forgiven for thinking that an hourly service between Newquay and Falmouth is just a little underwhelming, but work like this keeps the whole thing working for the next century or so, and those extra services could be transformative for the whole network.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: GBM on March 24, 2025, 08:36:35
I think this shows where a chunk of the money's going....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0vpyll03o


The layman could be forgiven for thinking that an hourly service between Newquay and Falmouth is just a little underwhelming, but work like this keeps the whole thing working for the next century or so, and those extra services could be transformative for the whole network.
I'm sure Melksham would love an underwhelming hourly service.. ;D


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on March 24, 2025, 13:07:21
latest story from the BBC... Through Newquay - Falmouth from 2026..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwdl4qdj12o



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Witham Bobby on March 24, 2025, 16:00:04
latest story from the BBC... Through Newquay - Falmouth from 2026..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwdl4qdj12o



George Collinson of Network Rail is quoted by the BBC as saying:

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Trains can now pass each other at Goss Moor for the first time since the 1960s


I'm pretty sure this is a bit wrong.  St Dennis Junction had a loop and wasn't abolished until some time in ?? the 1980s ??


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on October 09, 2025, 13:47:08
From Cornwall Live (https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/mid-cornwall-metro-regularly-skip-10555530):

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At a meeting of Cornwall Council's sustainable growth scrutiny committee today (Tuesday, October 7 [2025]), Kevin Towill - Reform UK councillor for Newquay Porth and Tretherras - said: "It was always envisaged from the beginning of the Mid Cornwall Metro project that the train would stop at the villages - including Roche and Bugle - but I've heard a rumour this might not be happening now and the train will be running right through without stopping." He asked Cllr Dan Rogerson, Liberal Democrat cabinet member for transport, to clarify.

Cllr Rogerson said: "It is correct that the hourly service to Newquay will not stop at every station. I think it's more like a two-hourly service to those stations, which is not ideal. We want to encourage people to be able to get to a frequency of travel like perhaps there is on the Truro to Falmouth route which is half-hourly where people don't have to plan ahead quite so much and can hop on.

"There are real opportunities to do better in the future but for now, unfortunately, it will be an hourly service to Newquay and slightly less frequently to some of those clay country stations, which is not what I want to see, but that's where we're starting."

A recent report by the Diocese of Truro and Plymouth Marjon University found that poor transport links are hitting rural areas of Cornwall, particularly in the clay country area.

The concerns that a local or regional service that calls only once every 2 hours is so thin that it puts off a substantial proportion of potential users are, in my experience, correct.  I do not, however, know the potential user base at Bugle or Roche and cannot quantify / qualify the size of the market it will make a difference to.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 02, 2025, 13:31:59
From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgk819r988o):

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Buses replace trains as Mid Cornwall Metro project enters final phase

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Train passengers are being reminded to plan ahead of the final phase of engineering work on a rail line.

Network Rail said passengers travelling between Newquay and Par would be affected by the work on the Mid Cornwall Metro project between Monday and Friday next week. It said buses would replace trains from Newquay to St Austell, while passengers at Par were advised to take train to St Austell and change for buses towards Newquay. Trains would still run from Par towards Plymouth and Penzance, it said.

Lee Goodson, Great Western Railway station manager for west Cornwall, said during the works no trains could stop at Newquay, Quintrell Downs, St Columb Road, Roche, Bugle or Luxulyan stations. "Trains will still run at Par on the Cornish main line but replacement buses will operate mostly between Newquay and St Austell," he said. "Most of these rail replacement services will stop at all stations, except for Par, but some will operate non-stop at peak periods. It's important that customers are aware these alternative travel arrangements will make journey times much longer, so please plan ahead."

The Mid Cornwall Metro project involves the restoration of a second platform at Newquay station, a new passing loop at Goss Moor and the installation of new digital signals.

Network Rail said from 2026 there would be hourly trains between Newquay and Par, doubling the current service. It said the enhancements would then be followed by direct trains from Newquay to Falmouth, via Par, St Austell and Truro.



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Noggin on November 03, 2025, 14:51:06
From Cornwall Live (https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/mid-cornwall-metro-regularly-skip-10555530):

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At a meeting of Cornwall Council's sustainable growth scrutiny committee today (Tuesday, October 7 [2025]), Kevin Towill - Reform UK councillor for Newquay Porth and Tretherras - said: "It was always envisaged from the beginning of the Mid Cornwall Metro project that the train would stop at the villages - including Roche and Bugle - but I've heard a rumour this might not be happening now and the train will be running right through without stopping." He asked Cllr Dan Rogerson, Liberal Democrat cabinet member for transport, to clarify.

Cllr Rogerson said: "It is correct that the hourly service to Newquay will not stop at every station. I think it's more like a two-hourly service to those stations, which is not ideal. We want to encourage people to be able to get to a frequency of travel like perhaps there is on the Truro to Falmouth route which is half-hourly where people don't have to plan ahead quite so much and can hop on.

"There are real opportunities to do better in the future but for now, unfortunately, it will be an hourly service to Newquay and slightly less frequently to some of those clay country stations, which is not what I want to see, but that's where we're starting."

A recent report by the Diocese of Truro and Plymouth Marjon University found that poor transport links are hitting rural areas of Cornwall, particularly in the clay country area.

The concerns that a local or regional service that calls only once every 2 hours is so thin that it puts off a substantial proportion of potential users are, in my experience, correct.  I do not, however, know the potential user base at Bugle or Roche and cannot quantify / qualify the size of the market it will make a difference to.

In my experience of commuting on the Bristol to Gloucester line, a 1 hour+ gap in service (planned or unplanned) is far from ideal, but many people will work around it if there's a practical plan B such as a bus, or if they have a partner/parent/sibling able to act as a backup.

What really made the difference though was when it dropped to half-hourly, at which point many in my office switched to the train from the car or bus. My pal in HR told me that it also made recruitment much easier, as early career people would baulk at the idea of having to buy a car, but were reasonably happy with 15 minutes on a train from Bristol and a 5 minute walk from the station.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: REVUpminster on November 03, 2025, 17:23:30
The current plan to increase the service from 2 hour to one hour will mean more passengers but GWR know from experience  with Falmouth and Paignton going from one hour to half an hour increases passenger number even more.

I think Newquay could well go half hourly in the future if they have the stock. Barnstaple also might be a candidate for a half hour service with the additional 175s


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 03, 2025, 17:49:09
The current plan to increase the service from 2 hour to one hour will mean more passengers but GWR know from experience  with Falmouth and Paignton going from one hour to half an hour increases passenger number even more.

[...]

My recent experiences on the Falmouth Branch (offspring at uni in Penryn) have been a real eye-opener - trains very well-loaded.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Mark A on November 03, 2025, 18:21:12
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on November 03, 2025, 19:45:50
My major concern is the use of Platform 3 at Truro for the St Austell bound services, faffing around with the footbridges at the station for passengers from Falmouth will be a hinderance. It's a shame there's no facility to switch eastwards of Truro from platform 2 to the upmain in the vicinity of the new switch that was installed with the new signalling to enabling of routing down services onto platform 3.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on November 03, 2025, 20:00:16
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark

There is a psychology in passenger use of public (rail) transport ... the higher up this list, the more likely people are to take the train.  And I would suspect that where a service frequency moves lots of people's planning from one category to another, it results in a sharp rise in passenger numbers.

1. Just turn up at the station to travel
2. Plan your day and make a minor adjustment to catch the best train
3. Work out your trains, then plan your day around them
4. Look at the trains to see if they work for you
5. Don't even thing about the train - be amazed if it runs at a useable time


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Noggin on November 04, 2025, 09:00:16
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark

There is a psychology in passenger use of public (rail) transport ... the higher up this list, the more likely people are to take the train.  And I would suspect that where a service frequency moves lots of people's planning from one category to another, it results in a sharp rise in passenger numbers.

1. Just turn up at the station to travel
2. Plan your day and make a minor adjustment to catch the best train
3. Work out your trains, then plan your day around them
4. Look at the trains to see if they work for you
5. Don't even thing about the train - be amazed if it runs at a useable time

It also raises the ratio of full-fare adults to discounted students/school kids/OAPs


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Witham Bobby on November 04, 2025, 10:01:09
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark

There is a psychology in passenger use of public (rail) transport ... the higher up this list, the more likely people are to take the train.  And I would suspect that where a service frequency moves lots of people's planning from one category to another, it results in a sharp rise in passenger numbers.

1. Just turn up at the station to travel
2. Plan your day and make a minor adjustment to catch the best train
3. Work out your trains, then plan your day around them
4. Look at the trains to see if they work for you
5. Don't even thing about the train - be amazed if it runs at a useable time

I rearely even consider the Cotswold line services when I travel to London on business.  It's nominally an hourly service, but the days when all the trains run are few.  The thought of cancellation (or amendment to stop short of destination, which is somehow called an amendment, not a cancellation) just puts me off.  "More (newish) trains needing repair"  "shortage of traincrew"  "congestion"  "a fault on this train".  It's just hopeless for anyone with a busy schedule

So it's usually a Chiltern service from Warwick or Oxford for me, and a car journey to get to the station and back


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Witham Bobby on November 04, 2025, 10:22:32
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark

There is a psychology in passenger use of public (rail) transport ... the higher up this list, the more likely people are to take the train.  And I would suspect that where a service frequency moves lots of people's planning from one category to another, it results in a sharp rise in passenger numbers.

1. Just turn up at the station to travel
2. Plan your day and make a minor adjustment to catch the best train
3. Work out your trains, then plan your day around them
4. Look at the trains to see if they work for you
5. Don't even thing about the train - be amazed if it runs at a useable time

I rearely even consider the Cotswold line services when I travel to London on business.  It's nominally an hourly service, but the days when all the trains run are few.  The thought of cancellation (or amendment to stop short of destination, which is somehow called an amendment, not a cancellation) just puts me off.  "More (newish) trains needing repair"  "shortage of traincrew"  "congestion"  "a fault on this train".  It's just hopeless for anyone with a busy schedule

So it's usually a Chiltern service from Warwick or Oxford for me, and a car journey to get to the station and back


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Andy on November 13, 2025, 11:45:56
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark

I wonder if, complementing the hourly Newquay-Falmouth service, extending the Newquay-Par trains to a couple of Newquay-Plymouth runs at peak times might prove popular, particularly in summer.

 


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on November 13, 2025, 21:40:04
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark

I wonder if, complementing the hourly Newquay-Falmouth service, extending the Newquay-Par trains to a couple of Newquay-Plymouth runs at peak times might prove popular, particularly in summer.


I'm sure it might be popular with passengers ... but the business case of what to do with the train off peak might make it a bit of a challenge, and I wonder about paths too and/or disturbances to clock face operation of Newquay - Falmouth


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on November 14, 2025, 15:39:44
There are a number of peak summer scheduled PAD-NQY services to cover most of that demand.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on November 19, 2025, 07:46:58
From Radio Newquay (https://www.radionewquay.com/news/newquay-now/second-platform-reopens-after-nearly-four-decades/) and with a picture of a 150 in the new platform

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Second platform reopens after nearly four decades

Newquay has begun using a second railway platform for the first time in 38 years, as trains return to the branch line following Network Rail engineering work.

The station has operated with a single platform since the signal box closed in October 1987. The introduction of digital signalling has allowed both platforms to be used at the same time. The upgrade forms part of preparations for the Mid Cornwall Metro (MCM), which will see an hourly service between Newquay and Par introduced next year. A direct link to Falmouth, via Par, St Austell and Truro, is planned to follow.

Digital signalling, controlled from Goonbarrow signal box, replaces the previous “token” system that restricted the single-track line to one train at a time. Network Rail’s work also includes a passing loop at Goss Moor, track replacement near St Blazey and refurbishment of the 152-year-old Ponts Mill viaduct.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: GBM on November 19, 2025, 10:42:44
The BBC now have a similar article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd9k1z8d20wo
Second platform opens at station after 40 years
A second platform has opened at a Cornish railway station for the first time in nearly 40 years as part of a £50m infrastructure project.

Newquay station has only had one platform in use since October 1987, when a signal box closed.

........continues..........


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on December 23, 2025, 10:11:50
Just a thought brought about seeing pictures of the flooding at Roche on the Newquay branch.

With all the money being thrown at this metro idea, I would have thought, in the interest of H&S, the old up platform at Roche could have been rebuilt and the track slewed slightly and therefore negating the need for passengers to cross the track via the barrow crossing.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: grahame on December 23, 2025, 10:36:09
Just a thought brought about seeing pictures of the flooding at Roche on the Newquay branch.

With all the money being thrown at this metro idea, I would have thought, in the interest of H&S, the old up platform at Roche could have been rebuilt and the track slewed slightly and therefore negating the need for passengers to cross the track via the barrow crossing.

Interesting thought - though with 15 ticketed passenger journeys on average per day, I wonder what the case is. Having said which for robustness of the service through Roche, if slewing would make the service more robust there could [have been/be] a stronger case.   Are there predictions for traffic growth at Roche and other intermediate stations between Par and Newquay?  Are any of them anticipated to be growth hubs to help HMG reach towards its new housing targets??


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on December 23, 2025, 21:35:07
Remember that significant sums connected with the project do not include rail infrastructure but are assigned to public realm enhancements (streets and pavements of a tarted up variety). This restricts the amounts available.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on December 24, 2025, 08:24:37
Just a thought brought about seeing pictures of the flooding at Roche on the Newquay branch.

With all the money being thrown at this metro idea, I would have thought, in the interest of H&S, the old up platform at Roche could have been rebuilt and the track slewed slightly and therefore negating the need for passengers to cross the track via the barrow crossing.

Interesting thought - though with 15 ticketed passenger journeys on average per day, I wonder what the case is. Having said which for robustness of the service through Roche, if slewing would make the service more robust there could [have been/be] a stronger case.   Are there predictions for traffic growth at Roche and other intermediate stations between Par and Newquay?  Are any of them anticipated to be growth hubs to help HMG reach towards its new housing targets??

I agree, it's a very quite halt but if there was a chance of some funding I would think taking a possible person/train conflict out of use should be up there.

Locally there is scope for development, plenty of empty fields, which are actually on the side of the current platform so perhaps somebody knows something we don't!!!


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: old original on December 24, 2025, 08:36:49
Remember that significant sums connected with the project do not include rail infrastructure but are assigned to public realm enhancements (streets and pavements of a tarted up variety). This restricts the amounts available.

Yep, near where I live (Penryn) we're gaining a pelican crossing outside the station, a zebra crossing across a side road in the town centre, and there's a whole host of widening pavements, narrowing roads with removal of some parking places


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 09, 2026, 17:09:36
8 becomes 17 in May as the enhanced Newquay service begins.

Departures from Newquay for Par are currently at 07:19, 09:24, 11:24, 13:24, 15:24, 17:24, 19:24 and 21:12.

From the timetable change they become:  07:19, 08:22, 09:20, 10:28, 11:30, 12:17, 13:25, 14:27, 15:36, 16:18, 17:27, 18:22, 19:20, 20:28 and 21:12.  In addition there's two summer trains on weekdays to London at 11:08 and 14:52...correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they only run (or not run as the case often was) at weekends last year?



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: bobm on April 09, 2026, 17:39:27
The weekday ones are new.

Last year there was one train to and from London Paddington on a Saturday with a through train from Exeter St Davids and a service to Bristol Temple Meads.

On Sundays there was one through service from London and two return trips - one formed from the stock of a service from Plymouth.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Mark A on April 09, 2026, 19:03:44
Also, on the weekday 11:08 up to Paddington from Newquay: "Pullman dining from Plymouth".

Mark


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Witham Bobby on April 10, 2026, 10:46:25
8 becomes 17 in May as the enhanced Newquay service begins.

Departures from Newquay for Par are currently at 07:19, 09:24, 11:24, 13:24, 15:24, 17:24, 19:24 and 21:12.

From the timetable change they become:  07:19, 08:22, 09:20, 10:28, 11:30, 12:17, 13:25, 14:27, 15:36, 16:18, 17:27, 18:22, 19:20, 20:28 and 21:12.  In addition there's two summer trains on weekdays to London at 11:08 and 14:52...correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they only run (or not run as the case often was) at weekends last year?



Good to see, but it seems mighty ambitious
I'm remembering the days of only four or five trains on the branch per day.  For most of the year for most of the journey, they'd be mostly carrying empty seats

I'm glad things have improved since then


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Mark A on April 10, 2026, 11:40:54
Part of this is going to be about reliability - a missing train in the sort-of-hourly-if-not-clockface timetable would leave a two hour gap in service. Also, the two through trains to London and the one through train from London: hopefully a pattern doesn't develop of them running late, being turned round at Plymouth and not actually making it to Newquay.

Mark


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Mark A on April 10, 2026, 11:52:50
The 11:08 from Newquay to Paddington may be more robust in that the incoming working spends some time at Newquay having come down from Bristol (setting out just before 6am, so from the fares perspective it's a peak time service and, checking for May 20th, the advance ticket quota allocated is all on the pricey side of the scales. Oh and no connection from east of Bristol as it's before start of service in that direction.)

Mark


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: bradshaw on May 07, 2026, 09:34:25
Is this launch day for the Mid Cornwall Metro?

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V08371/2026-05-07/detailed#allox_id=1

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V08370/2026-05-07/detailed#allox_id=0



Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: John D on May 07, 2026, 10:32:52
Is this launch day for the Mid Cornwall Metro?

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V08371/2026-05-07/detailed#allox_id=1

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V08370/2026-05-07/detailed#allox_id=0


Yes, also in a Press Release, along with other timetable improvements in 10 days time

https://news.gwr.com/news/gwrs-new-timetable-set-to-unlock-further-economic-growth-across-the-south-west-and-wales.

Although in best traditions of PR spin, no mention of changes that could be seen as negative, odd train dropped here and there etc, or shorter allocated trains elsewhere to allow these extra services.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on May 08, 2026, 09:08:47
The article and recent testing seems to indicate that at least some MCM services are to be operated by 175s. Good move if so.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: RailCornwall on May 18, 2026, 08:36:16
I hope there's reason behind it but the apparent lack of connectivity with services on the main GWML at Par appears shocking, Some Newquay services in the mornings departing Par three minutes before the arrival of services from Penzance will appear annoying and thats being kind.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Geoff DC on May 18, 2026, 17:14:39
If the connections are sorted and a shuttle bus from St Columb Road to the airport is added, it would start to attract wider ridership in Cornwall


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Andy on May 29, 2026, 16:54:11
Has anyone had any information regarding loadings since the new timetable was introduced? It's very early days, there have been some "teething troubles" and changes will take time to embed but I'm curious about early signs.


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: Mark A on June 02, 2026, 13:36:39
Video from GWR on Newquay's new train service. Striking how the appearance of Newquay's station has transformed, it looked like such a leftover before this work was done.

Mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPjLzRE68dk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPjLzRE68dk)


Title: Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
Post by: REVUpminster on June 02, 2026, 18:56:32
Has anyone had any information regarding loadings since the new timetable was introduced? It's very early days, there have been some "teething troubles" and changes will take time to embed but I'm curious about early signs.

With a five hour gap yesterday and the inability of GWR to move a defective train doesn't auger go well. No loadings on no trains.



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