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Journey by Journey => Oxford, Didcot and Reading from the West => Topic started by: ray951 on January 03, 2024, 13:14:39



Title: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ray951 on January 03, 2024, 13:14:39
According to the usually reliable Oxford Clarion on twitter https://x.com/OxfordClarion/status/1742528741627007417?s=20 (https://x.com/OxfordClarion/status/1742528741627007417?s=20) GWR have asked permission to start an Oxford to Bristol sevice from Spetember 14th 2024.
Service will start as 2 trains a day on a Saturday calling at Radley, Culham, Appleford, Didcot, Swindon, Chippenham and Bath.
Operated by Class 802 trains.



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on January 03, 2024, 13:22:40
That's fantastic news. Let's hope it's the start of a fuller service.

Even as someone who used the old Thames/FGW service when it ran, I have been genuinely surprised several times recently by the number of people you can see at Didcot making their way between Bristol trains and Oxford Turbos.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 03, 2024, 13:28:07
Hmmmmm, thought there was no spare rolling stock?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on January 03, 2024, 14:18:33
Guess that is why it is September, following the end of the peak summer services to places like Newquay and Pembroke Dock.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Oxonhutch on January 03, 2024, 15:37:32
I wonder as to why the Didcot call.  Didcot is already well served to Bristol and Oxford and using the West Curve would save considerable time and a reversal.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on January 03, 2024, 15:42:04
I wonder as to why the Didcot call.  Didcot is already well served to Bristol and Oxford and using the West Curve would save considerable time and a reversal.

I expect time will tell.   With planned calls at intermediate stations between Didcot and Oxford (but not, I note, between Bath and Bristol) I'm guessing in might be taking the path and contractual service needs of those stations. Releasing a turbo ...


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Electric train on January 03, 2024, 16:16:59
I wonder as to why the Didcot call.  Didcot is already well served to Bristol and Oxford and using the West Curve would save considerable time and a reversal.

I expect time will tell.   With planned calls at intermediate stations between Didcot and Oxford (but not, I note, between Bath and Bristol) I'm guessing in might be taking the path and contractual service needs of those stations. Releasing a turbo ...

That might be diagrammed Banbury Didcot, the Oxford Bristol service filling the void while the Oxford Banbury is ran .......................... just a wild outta box thought


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Sulis John on January 03, 2024, 16:19:56
I wonder as to why the Didcot call.  Didcot is already well served to Bristol and Oxford and using the West Curve would save considerable time and a reversal.

May well have to do with pathing - but also either provides an extra service between Oxford and Didcot or is simply running in the path of an existing one.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on January 03, 2024, 16:34:57
My bet is that is running in place of the turbo, to release the other one still in the Saturday timetable. The OXF-BAN service could also be run by an IET if they chose to.

Meanwhile the Didcot call maybe either a) to complete those OXF-DID service calls, and/or b) to wait time somewhere in order to wait a suitable path.

GWR will have between presented with a budget cut for next financial year & this may be one way of finding some of that - by releasing that turbo.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on January 03, 2024, 16:57:40
I'm sure you're right that it's replacing a Turbo service - you wouldn't stop at Appleford otherwise! So the Didcot call supplies connections to/from the Thames Valley local stations.

Interested to see (in the Clarion's second tweet) that GWR are citing "consistent country-end overcrowding experienced on Bristol–London Paddington services".


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on January 03, 2024, 18:47:40
Interested to see (in the Clarion's second tweet) that GWR are citing "consistent country-end overcrowding experienced on Bristol–London Paddington services".

Indeed.

When you think about it, hardly a shock. At the start of 2020, plans were for 4 trains an hour from Bristol Temple Meads to London (Paddington).  But that's been cut back to 2.  I know that Bath and Chippenham still only had two an hour to London, but those Pesky Bristol to London people are filling the trains.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2024, 10:53:23
The OXF-BAN service could also be run by an IET if they chose to.

They could…but a TM would need to be provided (with the associated route learning cost).


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: rogerw on January 08, 2024, 15:26:30
GWR Press Release
https://news.gwr.com/news/great-western-railway-planning-to-restore-direct-bristol-oxford-services (https://news.gwr.com/news/great-western-railway-planning-to-restore-direct-bristol-oxford-services)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on January 08, 2024, 15:50:40
GWR Press Release
https://news.gwr.com/news/great-western-railway-planning-to-restore-direct-bristol-oxford-services (https://news.gwr.com/news/great-western-railway-planning-to-restore-direct-bristol-oxford-services)

Yep, and Tom has sent me an email to let me know.   Really interesting development and I'll be making full local comment later.   This is a flow that I know has very great potential; I used the service in the past so I'm not totally green on it.  But it also needs to work today as sentimentality won't pay for it.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on January 08, 2024, 16:35:21
Only one of those it seems will call at Didcot - the one that states that it does - otherwise the others would too.

So on its own, it won't release a turbo.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 08, 2024, 17:44:41
Only one of those it seems will call at Didcot - the one that states that it does - otherwise the others would too.

So on its own, it won't release a turbo.

Regardless, it would need to operate several more trips a day to release a Turbo anyway.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: GWR 158 on January 08, 2024, 19:22:58
Hi all,

Found an interesting article stating that GWR are planning to run direct IET services from Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford via Didcot Parkway. I have attached the article below. What does everyone think about these plans? I think it would be very beneficial for passengers travelling down from Bristol and stations in between and it would be an effective way to get more people using the rail network.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/24035352.new-direct-swindon-oxford-trains-planned-great-western-railway/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR3DWWG1r_EqrqsTeDZZ_LZPwC9zfPCtj1kZ0JM-eWcXYxGsFakbBaXq9CU

Thanks all,
GWR 158


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on January 08, 2024, 19:39:29
Hi all,

Found an interesting article stating that GWR are planning to run direct IET services from Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford via Didcot Parkway. I have attached the article below. What does everyone think about these plans? I think it would be very beneficial for passengers travelling down from Bristol and stations in between and it would be an effective way to get more people using the rail network.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/24035352.new-direct-swindon-oxford-trains-planned-great-western-railway/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR3DWWG1r_EqrqsTeDZZ_LZPwC9zfPCtj1kZ0JM-eWcXYxGsFakbBaXq9CU

Thanks all,
GWR 158

Yep, I have moved a couple of things around and merged that with a topic that started a couple of days ago "Across the  West" to keep all the discussions together.  This board is probably the right one for it - it's so long since we had this much-wanted service that it had go into the  more general place!


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on January 09, 2024, 06:56:18
Will it be flood proof?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 09, 2024, 10:32:51
Will it be flood proof?

Kennington (south of Oxford) hasn’t shut for flooding since alleviation works were carried out some years ago.  The route to Bristol via Box does close for flooding occasionally but is nowhere near as vulnerable as the route via Chipping Sodbury.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on February 04, 2024, 22:05:47
Interesting to see Swindon, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads all in the top 15 ticketed passenger flows from Oxford http://www.passenger.chat/flows.html?stn=3115 . Chippenham is in the top 50 too.  Really a good flow considering the Didcot Dance that has to be done to make these journeys.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on February 05, 2024, 07:13:59
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Really a good flow considering the Didcot Dance that has to be done to make these journeys.

Certainly busy on Saturday with Reading playing at Oxford, almost got trampled as the herd migrated between platforms.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on March 07, 2024, 16:50:33
GWR confirm that the services to which this thread refers are *not* stopping at Didcot & are all using the west curve. In both directions.

Being run with a 5car IET GWR said yesterday.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TonyK on March 07, 2024, 21:21:04
GWR confirm that the services to which this thread refers are *not* stopping at Didcot & are all using the west curve. In both directions.

Being run with a 5car IET GWR said yesterday.

That is helpful, and very interesting.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on August 26, 2024, 10:57:30
Bristol to Oxford through trains start on 14th September, Autumn Saturdays only.

10:18 from Bristol Temple Meads calling at Bath Spa, Chippenham and Swindon (10:58) and arriving Oxford 11:29

15:18 from Bristol, same calls, arriving Oxford at 16:31

Return services from Oxford at 12:03 and 17:12, same calls as outward journey


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on August 26, 2024, 11:59:42
Current Advance fares available either way @ £12.50 Standard, £32.65 1st class.
OPDR Standard £32.10, SOPR Standard £50.40, OPR 1st Class £144.90 (Ouch)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on August 26, 2024, 13:00:02
It's Bristol - Bath - Oxford - Bicester and then turn right that strange things used to happen with the fares system. Fine to Bicester and then a, er, non-linear adjustment as the fares system hadn't caught up with the changes to the network. Hopefully something that will be sorted for East West Rail.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on August 26, 2024, 13:38:35
I think that is still a problem, isn't it? Look up Oxford - High Wycombe & see if it isn't priced via Paddington/Marylebone still.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on August 26, 2024, 19:09:39
Very tempted to try it out on 14th September - or perhaps on some other Saturday.   Now from Melksham:

Melksham - 10:09
Chippenham - 10:19 - 10:44
Oxford - 11:29

ah - fond memories of giving training course in Oxford, though obviously outbound on the 07:20 (the only choice - next train was 19:47) and back at 19:20 (only train from Swindon after the 06:20)

Homeward

Oxford - 17:12
Chippenham - 17:57 to - oops
Melksham  - 20:08

Still very tempted ...


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on August 26, 2024, 21:18:29
Last time I headed to Oxford, it was with a bike.

The connection just missed at Didcot, which shaved an hour off the time at my destination, which involved a change at Oxford, a Chiltern train to Bicester, and a somewhat convoluted cycle into the countryside east of the town.

On arrival there, among other things, I hovered for some time by the main road at Finmere on that cool April day, watching a digger chew away at Finmere station's cream-glaze-faced brick stair well wall. Also, stripped by the contractors of its enshrouding vegetation, the GCR embankment, the trains it once carried would have been exposed to all sorts of winds and weather, climbing north to the station at its characteristic 1:176 gradient. It must have been a fun location to handle a slip coach operation.

The station site, perched on its embankment, is destined to become a substantial cutting for HS2 with a road over rail bridge on a slightly different alignment replacing the somewhat dramatic twin rail over road bridges. By the time the new line opens and carries trains, the likes of slip coaches at Finmere will be a distant memory indeed.

Mark

(https://i.postimg.cc/cH3jtBzC/finmere-entrance-white-bricks-last-1000.jpg)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on August 26, 2024, 22:26:40
From 2016 - http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/f/finmere/finmere_gala)13.8.2016).pdf (http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/f/finmere/finmere_gala)13.8.2016).pdf)

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Finmere Station can be regarded as one of the best kept secrets of modern day railway
preservation, as if you don’t know exactly where this former Great Central station is
located, then you have little or no chance of ever finding it.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on August 27, 2024, 09:30:48
Thanks for digging that out, the event in honour of Network Southeast must have been one of the most astonishing piece of whimsy of all time. I'm sure I saw a photo of one of those NSE station platform rotating flappy next train destination announcement boards with 'Finmere' on it too, though I can't find a photo of it.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 13, 2024, 20:35:00
(https://www.wellho.info/pix/MKK2OXF_24.jpg)

Will the trolley have champagne to celebrate the first scheduled through service from Swindon and beyond to Oxford for many years?  Anyone else going?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on September 13, 2024, 21:45:28
Might see you at Oxford as you alight....will be there ready to go in the opposite direction from about 1115


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on September 14, 2024, 09:57:08
Anyone else going?

*Waves*

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2024, 17:51:39

181 passengers in standard class on departure from Swindon.  Add just under 20 who got out of first clasa at Oxford and give or take a handful, that was 200 passengers.    Nice sunny autumn day for people to be out, but I did not see more than 1 or 2 more than Mark and I who were there to celebrate the return of the through service.

Headed back just before the direct Oxford to Chippeham direct service returns (as it misses the Melksham connection by 10 minutes).  Coming off there local from Oxford to Didcot, I counted just under 30 people coming back under the subway at Didcot and going up the steps to the westbound main line platform.

Pictures to follow - just a few minutes to Melksham ...


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on September 14, 2024, 21:15:59
Sorry I missed you - XC was late down from Banbury & you'd cleared the station before I arrived.

Not so busy in the reverse direction back to BRI - although a balls-up on accessibility, which I'll say more on tomorrow. Hence enough to say that a 5 car IET only has two wheelchair spaces, where a 9car has three.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 15, 2024, 06:50:06
Pictures to follow - just a few minutes to Melksham ...

Straight back into the Last Night of the Proms, broadcast live on a screen in the KGV Park here in Melksham to an audience of perhaps 400 to 500 who were picknicing there. Not a Coffee Shop topic,  but a delay in following up.  Here you go:

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Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on September 15, 2024, 12:01:35
A good day out (and a good record in one of the photos of my pernicious trolley fruit cake habit).

The Bristol to Oxford train busy, and merited its own announcement from the platform staff at Bath. Graham, joining the train at Chippenham, was very forebearing when I went into anecdote mode - it was very difficult not to mention the one-time refrigerator in the shop on the opposite corner from the Westgate Hotel on the Botley Road as it really was of a particular age - and then there's the eternal question of whether the railway has ever quashed the requirement to open the Botley Road level crossing on request from members of the public wishing to cross with vehicles too high to pass beneath the bridge (and if they did, the date at which that happened...)

Learnt a lot, saw places old and new, gazed with alarm at the seeming canal beneath the road bridge at Botley Road, and the slightly distressed arch for the footpath beneath the line there - somewhat bristling with telltales bridging various cracks. Oxford station is seeing so much flux that even its Wikipedia page has given up, if anyone is keen on editing Wikipedia and knows, that page would be a good one to which to give some love.

Finding the railway swingbridge over the Sheepwash channel on the way to the canal to be staffed by volunteers was a surprise, but unfortunately they cannot swing it without further work being done for fear that it might not open again. But they seem to have enough railway line stored in the undergrowth to take the track through the block of flats built over the trackbed, which raises questions. Also, on display there was the first photo on the following web page, a record of the decade or three when terrible liquids were carried in wooden hulled narrowboats, before both pipelines and changed industrial practices extinguished the trade - the photo shows what appears to be a boat from Thomas Clayton of Oldbury, they ran to and from Oxford's gas works for a time so it may have been heading there.

Mark


https://www.oxfordpreservation.org.uk/rewley-road-swing-bridge (https://www.oxfordpreservation.org.uk/rewley-road-swing-bridge)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on September 15, 2024, 17:40:46
Finding the railway swingbridge over the Sheepwash channel on the way to the canal to be staffed by volunteers was a surprise,

You were in luck - Oxford Open House weekend....the same reason Culham station was open


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 16, 2024, 06:41:56
Finding the railway swingbridge over the Sheepwash channel on the way to the canal to be staffed by volunteers was a surprise,

You were in luck - Oxford Open House weekend....the same reason Culham station was open

Indeed - the Culham visit was planned after learning about the weekend about it - ADVERT - here on the "Great Western Coffee Shop Passenger Forum"


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: infoman on September 16, 2024, 15:46:05
Will not be able to advantage of the Saturday service/s,

not sure if any one would be willing to make the four trips and see if maybe they will use the same set for all four trips.

Not sure of the prices for the round trips,quite willing to contribute to the fare/s if any one is willing to undertake the four trips.

A footnote that Oxford United will be playing at Bristol City.

So numbers MIGHT be higher than what would be expected on a first (Satur)day

A foot note IF its the same set bringing Oxford fans to Ashton Gate is the same
could it take the football followers to Parson Street.
So therefore would be cheaper to shunt towards Ashton Halt or go all the way to Weston and  then return?



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 16, 2024, 16:17:05
Will not be able to advantage of the Saturday service/s,

not sure if any one would be willing to make the four trips and see if maybe they will use the same set for all four trips.

Not sure of the prices for the round trips,quite willing to contribute to the fare/s if any one is willing to undertake the four trips.

Thank you, but no need - the diagram has been published and it follows the marketing information in conforming it's a single 5 car IET making both return trips.

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A footnote that Oxford United will be playing at Bristol City.

So numbers MIGHT be higher than what would be expected on a first (Satur)day

A foot note IF its the same set bringing Oxford fans to Ashton Gate is the same
could it take the football followers to Parson Street.
So therefore would be cheaper to shunt towards Ashton Halt or go all the way to Weston and  then return?

Is that next Saturday?  Certainly a direct Oxford to Bristol train is one to promote if it ties in with match times, but at the moment it's an expermental service and I suspect will get fans to Bristol, but not home again.

Come next season (ah, but won't Bristol City be in a division higher that Oxford by then?) it'll all be GBR and the network will be manageable as a whole, so the Marylebone to Oxford service will be extendable to Swindon, with alternate trains onward to Weston-super-mare and Weymouth. 

Numerous benefits such as bringing Swindon a train service within England's Heartland STB, bringing Trowbridge through trains to London (do you realise it's the closest county town to London without any through trains from thetre?), and doing away with the "Didcot Dance".  With some trains calling a the three stations between Oxford and Didcot and some trains reversing there, it saves the shuttle train and gives Radley, Culham and Appleford regular through trains to London once again.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: infoman on September 16, 2024, 17:30:12
Thanks for your thoughts on the new service.

Not sure if it will be Oxford moving down or Bristol City moving up.

If loads of Oxford followers reserve tickets on the 12:03

would this "tumble" this computer to say I think a nine car set is required,or two fives?

A question will the service have catering?

regarding not being able to take the Oxford service back home.

It reminds of when air south west airlines had a service recently, Plymouth-Bristol Manchester on a Saturday morning!

Air south West promoted the service "Argyle fans you can fly to Northern football match's"

But there was no return service?





Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2024, 21:36:59
Yes there was catering.

Footie fans like to be in a local pub for lunch before a game & the 1203 off Oxford is far too late & the 1528 return far too early too.

The return fixture at Oxford United would quite possibly see the fans using that first service eastbound though


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: infoman on September 17, 2024, 01:40:44
Not all football followers want to be in the pubs,

some may have mobility issues and would welcome the chance to have a no change of trains option.

For those who used the service on Saturday just gone,what was the day return fare Oxford to Bristol.

Asking the question again,

A foot note IF its the same set bringing Oxford fans to Ashton Gate is the same set
could it take the football followers to Parson Street.
So therefore would be cheaper to shunt towards Ashton Halt or go all the way to Weston and  then return?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 17, 2024, 09:43:57
Not all football followers want to be in the pubs,

some may have mobility issues and would welcome the chance to have a no change of trains option.

... and those with mobility issues might like to go to the pub too!

I was struck at the "Didcot Dance" on Saturday when I returned on the earlier train to watch the 30 people transferring off the local from Oxford onto the Didcot to Bristol express to see them struggling up the stairs - heavy cases, pushchairs and young children, and in once case what I can only guess was a cello.  And some not-so-mobile themselves struggling with the stairs. 

I don't think there's a lift to that platform?    But it is possible to do it on the level (or rather slopes not steps) by going out of the barbered area, around the outside of the station, and entering again at the barrier set which faces towards the western car parks.    I did not take a look at the signage to see how well signposted that option is, nor follow it round to see for myself - so an update from knowledgable members (correcting me as appropriate) would be appreciated.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 17, 2024, 09:57:51
For those who used the service on Saturday just gone, what was the day return fare Oxford to Bristol.

Off Peak adult day return £32.10 according to real time trains, or £21.15 with a senior railcard. Price with a senior railcard rises to £21.35 for next Saturday.

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Asking the question again,

A foot note IF its the same set bringing Oxford fans to Ashton Gate is the same set, could it take the football followers to Parson Street. So therefore would be cheaper to shunt towards Ashton Halt or go all the way to Weston and  then return?

Thought I answered that  - normally same set, I think - though it does shunt to Stoke Gifford for the two hours it's back in the Bristol area.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: didcotdean on September 17, 2024, 11:28:20
Not all football followers want to be in the pubs,

some may have mobility issues and would welcome the chance to have a no change of trains option.

... and those with mobility issues might like to go to the pub too!

I was struck at the "Didcot Dance" on Saturday when I returned on the earlier train to watch the 30 people transferring off the local from Oxford onto the Didcot to Bristol express to see them struggling up the stairs - heavy cases, pushchairs and young children, and in once case what I can only guess was a cello.  And some not-so-mobile themselves struggling with the stairs. 

I don't think there's a lift to that platform?    But it is possible to do it on the level (or rather slopes not steps) by going out of the barbered area, around the outside of the station, and entering again at the barrier set which faces towards the western car parks.    I did not take a look at the signage to see how well signposted that option is, nor follow it round to see for myself - so an update from knowledgable members (correcting me as appropriate) would be appreciated.
The outside slope to platform 1 is not signposted within the barriered part of the station as far as I am aware. I have directed people that way on occasion. You also often also see people struggling down the stairs with heavy loads from platforms 2-5 as they haven't seen the lift further down. For going up, the lift in the passageway is more obvious.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 17, 2024, 20:28:08

Off Peak adult day return £32.10 according to real time trains, or £21.15 with a senior railcard. Price with a senior railcard rises to £21.35 for next Saturday.


What with the winter fuel allowance going, that 20p hike could be an issue.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on September 23, 2024, 20:50:03
From this week's Oxford Clarion newsletter

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The new Oxford–Bristol direct train service got underway on Saturday. GWR are trialling the service until December, but the Clarion understands that an extension to May could happen if loadings are good. GWR is expecting a new fleet of local trains for Cornwall which could free up trains for a regular Oxford–Bristol link.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 23, 2024, 21:10:26
From this week's Oxford Clarion newsletter

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The new Oxford–Bristol direct train service got underway on Saturday. GWR are trialling the service until December, but the Clarion understands that an extension to May could happen if loadings are good. GWR is expecting a new fleet of local trains for Cornwall which could free up trains for a regular Oxford–Bristol link.

Confirmed at WWRUG last Wednesday


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: anthony215 on September 24, 2024, 16:59:27
From this week's Oxford Clarion newsletter

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The new Oxford–Bristol direct train service got underway on Saturday. GWR are trialling the service until December, but the Clarion understands that an extension to May could happen if loadings are good. GWR is expecting a new fleet of local trains for Cornwall which could free up trains for a regular Oxford–Bristol link.

Confirmed at WWRUG last Wednesday

Probably the 175s freeing up the IETs


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 24, 2024, 18:45:49
From this week's Oxford Clarion newsletter

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The new Oxford–Bristol direct train service got underway on Saturday. GWR are trialling the service until December, but the Clarion understands that an extension to May could happen if loadings are good. GWR is expecting a new fleet of local trains for Cornwall which could free up trains for a regular Oxford–Bristol link.

Confirmed at WWRUG last Wednesday

Probably the 175s freeing up the IETs

To clarify that confirmation - Bristol -> Oxford may well extend to May.  The new service is not expected to run beyond May because the set will be needed for the summer seaside services.  Separately 175s to replace remaining HSTs and also IETs from Cardiff west of Exeter.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on September 24, 2024, 21:59:25
Not that it is always accurate but if you look on RTT for the 18th January 2025 it shows the Oxford services running Saturdays only from 21st December 2024 to 17th May 2025.



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on October 15, 2024, 15:47:23
This was confirmed at the TWSW meeting last week - and not only that, but it will continue from Sept 2025 for the season (to May 2026) - still as a trial service though.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 15, 2024, 23:07:56
This was confirmed at the TWSW meeting last week - and not only that, but it will continue from Sept 2025 for the season (to May 2026) - still as a trial service though.

Hopefully an all day, all week, service can commence from May 2026?  By which time the Class 175 fleet should be fully introduced.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Noggin on October 25, 2024, 19:50:05
Note that the Wiltshire Rail Strategic Study mentions this service and how it could become both 2 TPH (IIRC) & a means of delivering a service to a new Corsham station.

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=29351.msg353131#new (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=29351.msg353131#new)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: John D on October 29, 2024, 07:52:05
Thought I would give my experience of using the service (early October).  Travelled from Bradford on Avon (change at Bath), ticket split at Chippenham

Bit of scrum at Bath, reservations not working (train manager said not programmed), our group got scattered finding available seats, handful had to stand.  Rather more standing from Chippenham.  No advertised trolley service either,

The destination displays also displaying Reading.   Apparently since announcing the service in January haven't yet found time to add the route to train computers !

No ticket checks and at at Oxford the exit gates near the footbridge were open so no revenue check on whole outbound journey.

Return train was quieter, but got delayed behind a late crowded 2car turbo on southbound stopping service leaving Oxford, so ran 12-16 minutes late.  Arrived Bath 12 minutes late. Missed booked connection (now just 1 minute to get it) . Had to get next train. Arrived BoA 28 minutes late.  Submitted delay repay but rejected 2 weeks later as booked train was on time, had to appeal pointing out missed connection, then they decided to pay out for 12.5% of 2 of 3 tickets on submitted 3 tickets of groupsave. 

Overall 10/10 for potential free travel on outward train
0/10 for reservations and destination displays
10/10 for train managers announcements
9/10 for journey convenience
0/10 for advertised catering
1/10 for delay repay team

Would love service to be a success, but feel there is too much not working well that would make me happy to use it again. 



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on October 29, 2024, 08:13:26
Full and standing from Bath... do you know if there was any special event on please?

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on October 29, 2024, 09:32:09
No ticket checks and at at Oxford the exit gates near the footbridge were open so no revenue check on whole outbound journey.

I can understand your concern at that - but yet is there a need to check tickets on every journey? A random sprinkling of tickets checks should deter unpaid travel and you will find that very much the way it's done across many countries. Because people who will be inclined to try for a free journey don't know which trains / checks will be on, they will tend to minimise the risks they take and pay, anyway, for services on which it turns out there are no checks.  It just "feels" wrong when you buy a ticket and it's never checked.

Another thought / question - was your ticket checked during the return journey?  Noting that (and I'm using Melksham which is my knowledge point) Melksham to Oxford off peak day return is £20.80  and Oxford to Melksham super off peak single is £18.60 - if I manage to defraud the railway on the way up, all I'm saving is £2.20 when I get my ticket to come back - not worth the risk.

I would love to see - I think - stronger but occasional enforcement - however, the complexity of the current fare system that even the staff don't always understand has me worried about enforcing on people who have made a mistake and broken the rules.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: John D on October 29, 2024, 11:45:36
No was just a sunny day, but our split tickets were mix of off peak day returns and anytime day returns.  So no real control of volumes sold.

Incidently we had to stand Bath-BoA on return because it was just a 3car turbo with people already standing when it arrived at Bath, and was very busy with rugby fans as match had recently ended at Bath.  And yes had one of those pointless counted place reservations that basically get you a bit of standing space.

More a case of weekend leisure journeys can see more passengers when good weather is forecast, but GWR doesn't have sufficient stock to lengthen trains.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 29, 2024, 12:25:34
Thought I would give my experience of using the service (early October).  Travelled from Bradford on Avon (change at Bath), ticket split at Chippenham

Bit of scrum at Bath, reservations not working (train manager said not programmed)...
The destination displays also displaying Reading.   Apparently since announcing the service in January haven't yet found time to add the route to train computers !

The latest database update (that included added Melksham to the SDO station list) included generic headcodes for these services, so if the journey and reservations don't load the destination and calling points should now display and announce properly - provided the Driver or TM enters them.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on October 29, 2024, 14:24:11
Thanks. That rather shows how capacity-constrained the railways are, that a one day a week service can be reinstated after a gap of some years and promptly fills standard class in a 5 carriage IET full and standing. It's dire, the cost of the infrastructure that could be bringing in far more income but there's often not the capacity in the trains or the variety of services to attract and carry an increase in passenger numbers.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on October 29, 2024, 14:43:29
Thanks. That rather shows how capacity-constrained the railways are, that a one day a week service can be reinstated after a gap of some years and promptly fills standard class in a 5 carriage IET full and standing. It's dire, the cost of the infrastructure that could be bringing in far more income but there's often not the capacity in the trains or the variety of services to attract and carry an increase in passenger numbers.

Mark


The really interesting thing with infrastructure limits is that the running of a 9 car IET rather than a 5 car one, or a 5 car train rather than a 3 car one (BTH to BOA) would make very little difference indeed to the number of trains that could pass over the line, or the number of train drivers and train managers needed,   For sure, there aren't enough trains available on lease to GWR to run full length, there may not be enough siding to park them at night or staff to service them, and I AM aware that a long train has to run at reduced speed for longer when going through junctions and around corners - but it could be done.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on October 29, 2024, 18:03:31
Though even SDO isn’t a panacea - the reason we apparently have never had 2x5 IETs on the Cotswold Line, despite expensive platform lengthening, is platform-end signal siting.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on November 16, 2024, 12:01:27
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12:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 13:12
12:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 13:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

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15:14 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 16:31
15:14 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 16:31 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.


Title: Leaflets for the BRI-OXF service?
Post by: grahame on November 29, 2024, 18:04:58
From my inbox

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Have GWR produced a leaflet which deals specifically with the Saturday Bristol - Oxford?

I don't see anything ... but wonder if anyone else has?


Title: Re: Leaflets for the BRI-OXF service?
Post by: ChrisB on November 29, 2024, 21:13:40
Not that I've seen around the Oxford area.

I would doubt it as timetables don't appear in racks anymore


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on December 28, 2024, 12:51:32
 
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12:02 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 13:12
15:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 16:29
17:12 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:27

28/12/24 17:12 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:27 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Additional Information
We are sorry that this service is cancelled today due to a shortage of train crew. Alternative services are available by changing trains at Didcot Parkway or Reading.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on December 28, 2024, 17:55:17
Whew, nearly went to Oxford to collect something heavy.

"Changing at Reading", eh?

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on February 01, 2025, 11:27:29
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10:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 11:27

10:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 11:27 has been delayed at Chippenham and is now 8 minutes late.
This is due to congestion.
Will be formed of 9 coaches instead of 5.

Not a problem  ... good that it's running ... right through to May ..


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on February 01, 2025, 15:39:08
From the Western Gateway SubNational Transport Body

https://westerngatewaystb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/31921-The-case-for-reinstating-rail-services-Oxford-Bristol.pdf

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The case for reinstating Oxford-Swindon-Bath‑Bristol rail services

Quick, affordable and transformational change for the UK economy and transport system

At a glance:

There is a quick, affordable and simple opportunity to reinstate direct rail services between Oxford and Swindon, Bath and Bristol.

Building on the current – highly popular – trial service on Saturdays the new service would provide an all day, every day hourly service.

Journey times between Oxford and Bristol would be a less than an hour and a quarter, and between Oxford and Swindon just over half an hour.

New daily, hourly services will better connect high-performing, knowledge‑intensive sectors and universities at the heart of the Government’s new industrial strategy, together with some of the country’s most popular tourist destinations.

The scheme would add help maximise the value of investments elsewhere, most notably East West Rail (making it possible, as early as 2026, to travel between Bristol and Milton Keynes with only one change) and MetroWest.

This opportunity does not require capital investment
– the necessary infrastructure is already there. Instead, it requires commitment to fund the operational costs of the new service (ie, train crew, fuel, network access costs, and rolling stock lease cost).

Our ask to government: To specify the service in future timetables and commit to fund its additional operational costs (with the expectation that the service is likely to generate more revenue than it will cost).


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on February 01, 2025, 15:40:38
I'm sure there is one - and a thread already to post it in?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 01, 2025, 16:11:24
Of course, Bristol to Milton Keynes with no changes would be easily possible as well.  One might say, the perfect use of an IET!


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: John D on February 02, 2025, 08:29:29
Of course, Bristol to Milton Keynes with no changes would be easily possible as well.  One might say, the perfect use of an IET!

Or a 110mph EMU with batteries.

Anyone know what is happening to the surplus 350s (the 37 units 350 231-267) which are only 16 years old


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 02, 2025, 18:56:27
I'm sure there is one - and a thread already to post it in?

Thanks, ChrisB - now done.  :)



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on February 22, 2025, 08:53:36
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15:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 16:29
17:12 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:23

17:12 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on March 13, 2025, 11:40:04
Possible progress, with an hourly Bristol-Oxford service hoving in to view. Hopefully.

Mark

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedlxqg7ex5o (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedlxqg7ex5o)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: anthony215 on March 13, 2025, 16:24:46
Possible progress, with an hourly Bristol-Oxford service hoving in to view. Hopefully.

Mark

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedlxqg7ex5o (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedlxqg7ex5o)

Long overdue I think it will prove quite popular especially if it ran beyond Oxford to Milton keynes


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on March 13, 2025, 16:26:32
Why would Milton Keynes be a more attractive destination than Oxford? ???


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on March 13, 2025, 16:56:03
Why would Milton Keynes be a more attractive destination than Oxford? ???

On its own, it wouldn't.  But if you add the people attracted to Milton Keynes to the people attracted to Oxford, you may get better mass transit which is combining all the flows along a flow and sharing costs between all the various bums on seats.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 13, 2025, 18:09:08
Why would Milton Keynes be a more attractive destination than Oxford? ???

On its own, it wouldn't.  But if you add the people attracted to Milton Keynes to the people attracted to Oxford, you may get better mass transit which is combining all the flows along a flow and sharing costs between all the various bums on seats.

Quite agree.  The more East-West rail becomes a true East-West service over time - Bristol<>Milton Keynes/Bedford/Cambridge and perhaps beyond to Norwich/Ipswich - the appeal grows and an ideal route for a 5-car IET.  Not dissimilar to the Cardiff<>Portsmouth or Norwich<>Liverpool routes where relatively low numbers of people are travelling the whole route, but taken as a whole with people joining/alighting at various points en-route, it's difficult to not see it being extremely popular.

But for now I'll be very happy for a new hourly Bristol<>Oxford service.  With a presumed target journey time of 70-75 minutes, three IETs would be needed with sensible layovers at each end of the route.  Platform 5 at Oxford should be ready by then and IETs should be available by then with Class 175s taking over existing IET diagrams in the west.  Crew availablility remains a slightly thorny issue, but drivers wise some Oxford based crew are about to 'sign' as far as Swindon and that would be the logical depot, along with Bristol, to work it.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 13, 2025, 19:51:34
As this very welcome 'news' discussion develops, I've removed the link to last year's specific date in our calendar and expanded the heading of this topic - purely in the interests of clarity and ease of future reference.

CfN.  ;)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: anthony215 on March 13, 2025, 21:18:14
Why would Milton Keynes be a more attractive destination than Oxford? ???

People could travel there to connect with other services and destinations plus this service would allow people to avoid have to travel across London or even changing at Birmingham new street etc


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on March 13, 2025, 22:04:50
Why would Milton Keynes be a more attractive destination than Oxford? ???

People could travel there to connect with other services and destinations plus this service would allow people to avoid have to travel across London or even changing at Birmingham new street etc

Taken to extremis, this is a pretty good - err "CrossRail 3"

Weymouth
Dorchester for Poole and Bournemouth
Yeovil Junction Lower Platform for Salisbury - Exteter line
Castle Cary for Taunton, Plymouth, Cornwll
Westbury for Reading, Newbury, Bath, Bristol
Chippenham for Bath and Bristol
Swindon for South Wales and Gloucseter
Oxford for Banbury and Leamington and for Worcester and Hereford
Bicester Village for Bang & Olufsen, Barbour, Beauté Prestige International, Belstaff, Benefit Cosmetics, Bonpoint, BOSS and many more
Bletchley for Northampton, North West, North Wales, Scotland
Bedford for Leicester, Derby, Nottingham and Sheffield. Also for Luton
Sandy for Peterbourough, Doncaster, Leeds, York and Newcastle
Cambridge for Kings Lynn and for Ipswich and Harwich
Norwich for Cromer, Sheringham, Lowestoft
Great Yarmouth


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on March 14, 2025, 08:31:52
An hourly service with a running time of just over 1 hour Bristol to Oxford - 3 trains in the "cycle" - extend it to Milton Keynes and the running time looks like it would be around 1 hour 45 minutes, so 4 trains in the cycle (educated guess - looking at the running time of the Verney Venurer as shown on Six Bells Junction).  With the extra train required for this, we must note that it would / will be one of the Oxford - Milton Keynes services anyway, so that the it's not really an "extra" train. 

For sure, ChrisB, more peoeple coming into Oxford from Swindon would get off than stay on, but quite a number would stay on and many more would join.  Rather like the Cardiff - Portsmouth service has major changeovers at Bristol and at Southampton.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on April 12, 2025, 11:09:29
A report from this morning's Bristol to Oxford service: many people leaving the service at Bath, then, later, 'Absolutely rammed' from Swindon to Oxford.

Mark

Update: 'Rammed' = about 80% occupancy, so, comfortably full in standard.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on April 12, 2025, 12:16:27
Hmm - I think 'Rammed' = 110% plus....so full & standing


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on April 12, 2025, 21:07:51
Hmm - I think 'Rammed' = 110% plus....so full & standing

Got me thinking - load definitions

0 to less than 5% - "Fresh Air"
5% to less than 15% - "Light"
15% to less than 25% - "Quiet"
25% to less than 50% - "Comfy"
50% to less thsn 80% - "Busy"
80% to less than 95% - "Nesting / Nearly Every Seat Taken"
95% to less than 110% - "Full and Standing"
110% to less than 125% - "Rammed"
125% to less than 150% - "Stuffed"
Over 150% - "Stupid"

$64,000 - by a seat being occupied, are we counting bums, or bums and bags?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on April 12, 2025, 21:14:23
I knew we could rely on you. The Beaufort scale of train carriage loading.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: froome on April 13, 2025, 08:47:02
Hmm - I think 'Rammed' = 110% plus....so full & standing

Got me thinking - load definitions

0 to less than 5% - "Fresh Air"
5% to less than 15% - "Light"
15% to less than 25% - "Quiet"
25% to less than 50% - "Comfy"
50% to less thsn 80% - "Busy"
80% to less than 95% - "Nesting / Nearly Every Seat Taken"
95% to less than 110% - "Full and Standing"
110% to less than 125% - "Rammed"
125% to less than 150% - "Stuffed"
Over 150% - "Stupid"

$64,000 - by a seat being occupied, are we counting bums, or bums and bags?


Are you including First Class seats in those figures. If so, anything above 80% could easily include full and standing in Second Class.

Which leads me to the question: At what point does a train manager decide to allow standard class passengers occupy first class seats?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: eightonedee on April 13, 2025, 09:58:52
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The Beaufort scale of train carriage loading.

This could also have Beaufort-like descriptions of what to look for to avoid having to count seats (like the "white horses begin to appear on waves at sea" or "some trees lose branches" notes you used to see).

Suggestions - for "Busy" - "passengers begin asking anyone with bags on seat to move them or saying "is anyone sitting there"?

For "nesting/nearly every seat taken" - "Announcements made that there are still a few seats available at the front/back of the train"

For "full and standing" - "on-board train staff no longer walk along the train, anyone with a bicycle in a vestibule gets black looks from fellow passengers".

"Stuffed" - "Between Paddington and Reading".


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 13, 2025, 09:59:15
Which leads me to the question: At what point does a train manager decide to allow standard class passengers occupy first class seats?

Hardly ever in these days of bargain advance first class fares.  First class occupancy, percentage of seats wise, is often the same or even more than standard class on many trains.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on July 30, 2025, 12:20:40
Being reported locally that there are Oxford<–>Swindon hourly ECS paths in the December timetable, which is intriguing:

https://bsky.app/profile/oxfordclarion.bsky.social/post/3lv6cv2p3gk2o

Maybe these are route-learning runs as per II's suggestion above that Oxford crews will sign as far as Swindon?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on July 30, 2025, 17:00:52
Bit worrying that they're the only services featuring on that day though!


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on September 06, 2025, 10:35:55
The Saturday service recommences on the 20th September, yes?? Realtime Trains lists it from that date.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on September 06, 2025, 11:24:18
Yes, that's the date for the winter service


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 06, 2025, 11:53:40
Which leads me to the question: At what point does a train manager decide to allow standard class passengers occupy first class seats?

Hardly ever in these days of bargain advance first class fares.  First class occupancy, percentage of seats wise, is often the same or even more than standard class on many trains.

"Bargain" doing some extremely heavy lifting there!  :)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 16, 2025, 11:10:03
From https://www.facebook.com/MelkshamTUG (https://www.facebook.com/MelkshamTUG)

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From this Saturday, 20th September 2025, the Saturday through train from Chippenham to Oxford returns.  Connection at 10:09 from Melksham, 10:44 from Chippenham, arrive at Oxford at 11:27.  Return service direct to Chippenham from Oxford at 17:12, or return to Melkshan at 16:30, 18:02 or 20:05, changing at Didcot and Swindon.

Day return fare - £21.80 each, or £14.50 each with a railcard or in a group of 3. Same fare also applies if you want to go on from Oxford to Bicester Village, and it's the same fare from Melksham or Chippenham.

Tickets can be purchased prior to departure at the ticket machines at Melksham or at Chippenham Station, or from the ticket office in Chippenham or if you are paying in cash on the train from Melksham.

(https://www.wellho.info/pix/w25ox.jpg)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 27, 2025, 16:00:49
Chippenham to Oxford this morning was fine bus ...

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15:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 16:29
17:12 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:23

17:12 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on September 27, 2025, 16:10:02
Real time trains blames a planning error.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 27, 2025, 19:11:01
Chippenham to Oxford this morning was fine bus ...

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15:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 16:29
17:12 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:23

17:12 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.

Real time trains blames a planning error.

Yep, I suspect that the train path was in the timetable until it was notices that it was missing a physical train, a driver or a train manager, at which point the timetable was changed

Whichever - this is what it lead to at Oxford

(https://www.wellho.info/pix/brigone001.jpg)

and this was the sort of thing people then had to do at Didcot

(https://www.wellho.info/pix/brigone002.jpg)

As I came through Didcot, I noticed that helpful announcements were being made directing people off the train from Oxford to go through the subway and turn left up to platform 1 to head west.    Only those of us in the know would have carried on through the barrier's wide gate, right, around the outside, up the slope and then back in through the sloped wide gate.   One couple were trying it but struggling for at least 5 minutes with the barrier which was unstaffed, closed, and by the looks of things reusing their ticket.  I know there was probably a help point / button they probably weren't aware of.  What a wonderful way to encourage custom.




Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on September 27, 2025, 19:14:39
Fortunately (for certain defined values of 'Fortunately') after we briefly enjoyed what the Turf PH had to offer, I needed to abandon Graham to further explorations of Oxford and head for a shop, then an earlier return than the through train offers.

For good measure, I chose the option to head through the walkway beneath the lines at Osney rail bridge, along the Botley Road across the Thames (impressive building site for most of the way and most photogenic photo opportunities now blocked by hoarding). After negotiating that, I headed to the bus stop for Swindon, enjoying the journey on a more or less empty top deck of a double decker bus via Faringdon.

It's safe to say that rail staff who in the dim and distant past worked the branch to Faringdon would not recognise the approach to the town now, with a retail park built beside the route, while the road approach to the town, built on top of the branch, runs alongside new housing estates. At a later stage in the journey, the bus route provides an opportunity for canal spotting, and if anything, there's rather more to be seen of that than there is of the branch line to Faringdon.

At Swindon, the old bus station is already starting to fade out of existence - even more than it faded when it was in use that is. Pulling up in the bus boulevard and heading for the railway station, I quickly learned that it's best to cross to the western side of Milford Street to avoid some not brilliant paving, it's a little further, but it wasn't a huge hike. There's mapping on the funded-by-advertising bus-stops-with-seating that puts the place in context, though I didn't quite investigate what signage there is between station and buses - in either direction. Perhaps it's fine. The bus boulevard didn't feel like an enormous hub of activity, but maybe that's just 2025 Swindon new town centre for you, even at ten to five on a Saturday afternoon.

Mark



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 27, 2025, 19:37:56
Funnily enough, I took the opportunity of an arrival in Swindon with a LONG wait for the next Melksham train to walk up to the bus boulevard for a first look, then took the 49 to Devizes and the 273 on from there to Melksham.  Now recovering from the long day as I walks substantially on having parted company with Mark.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on September 27, 2025, 19:56:29

As I came through Didcot, I noticed that helpful announcements were being made directing people off the train from Oxford to go through the subway and turn left up to platform 1 to head west.    Only those of us in the know would have carried on through the barrier's wide gate, right, around the outside, up the slope and then back in through the sloped wide gate.   One couple were trying it but struggling for at least 5 minutes with the barrier which was unstaffed, closed, and by the looks of things reusing their ticket.  I know there was probably a help point / button they probably weren't aware of.  What a wonderful way to encourage custom.


Yes, there is: during the earlier part of the covid pandemic, and returning from the notorious April 'Day return to Finmere' expedition, it refused my ticket too and summoned a railway genie using the 'Help' button.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on September 27, 2025, 20:57:52


As I came through Didcot, I noticed that helpful announcements were being made directing people off the train from Oxford to go through the subway and turn left up to platform 1 to head west. 


With the direct train cancelled, what other options were there? Unless I'm misreading Realtime Trains, without something making an additional call at Didcot, the opportunities are quite sparse.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on September 27, 2025, 21:12:50
Well....some might have preferred to take longer but easier with lifts and go via Reading?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on September 27, 2025, 21:35:37
Well....some might have preferred to take longer but easier with lifts and go via Reading?

And ... at a higher price; my ticket was "not via Reading".

Of course, you could now do Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads with a single change at Worcestershire Parkway ;-)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on September 28, 2025, 20:52:50
With the direct train cancelled, permission should be granted for any reasonable (more expensive) routings


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on November 15, 2025, 16:15:56
Nine coaches on today's services in place of the usual five (or the three which did last Saturday's first round trip).


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on November 15, 2025, 16:19:42
Nine coaches on today's services in place of the usual five (or the three which did last Saturday's first round trip).

So they have enough staff to run those experimental services but not the standard contracted bread and butter stuff between Westury and Swindion - two round trips on there cancelled again today, "shortage of staff".


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on November 15, 2025, 16:59:36
Different depot.  Different traction.  Different route.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on November 15, 2025, 20:36:12
Graham knows this.... ???


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on November 15, 2025, 21:07:06
Different depot.  Different traction.  Different route.

Graham knows this.... ???

Not that simple.   yes, Chris, Bob has given the "official" answer ... but why is that so?

Bristol to Swindon services can be diverted via a reversal at Bradford South Junction and so surely drivers have that route knowledge, further there is a direct Bristol to London via Wesburty service ... and staff do overlap / work with the next depot.

And didn't I note that the Bristol -> Oxford ran - was it today or last week - 3 car. So the driver that time knew how to drive a 165, 166 or 158 which are exactly the units used on the Westbury to Swindon.

"Different depot.  Different traction.  Different route." is easy to say but those all overlap and have fuzzy edges, so it's a convenient reason to have.  It's not as if there was a spare driver at St Blazey or Redhill.    There is the wider question as to why there are such tight route knowledges and thin overlaps these days, so that if anything goes that bit wrong recovery, the system doesn't have the ability to switch and recover easily.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Ollie on November 16, 2025, 03:22:15
Route knowledge is probably a bit of a topic in itself, each depot has different routes and traction knowledge, then even within that depot the levels of route and traction knowledge will be different.

To use the current example, the Oxford - Bristol services are currently being operated by Paddington drivers, we do not sign via Melksham so wouldn't be of any use to cover the services Graham has mentioned. At Paddington on the non-HSS side, we are multi traction (not 158s) which is why the service was able to be a 166 vice 800 last week.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on November 16, 2025, 08:25:44
Many thanks for that insight into a complex situation, Ollie - I read the answer as being somewhere between a glib "no, no, no" and something that can obviously be done.  "Where there's a will, there's likely to be a way" - we haven't considered the cascading / transfer of trains to meet the commitments, for example.   Sorry - but I remain of the concern that GWR do not have enough resources or enough flexibility in their resources to meet their day to day commitments to a reasonably robust degree throughout.   Management thing - they have gotten into a situation where far too many difficult calls have to be made, and as those calls are made and the results do severe damage to the business, to the customers, and to the communities they 'serve'.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on November 16, 2025, 17:27:24
Money.

All the abilities you are suggesting with flexibility cost money. And if the DfT don't want the flexibility, they won't pay GWR for it. GWR have NO choice, but do the DfT bidding. You do know that!

Ollie - are you saying that the same PAD non-HSS drivers drive 166s AND 800s? And the HSS drivers also drive just 800s?



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on November 16, 2025, 17:44:06
Money.

All the abilities you are suggesting with flexibility cost money. And if the DfT don't want the flexibility, they won't pay GWR for it. GWR have NO choice, but do the DfT bidding.


So if it's true that every idea would cost money, logic suggests we need to amend the DfT's bidding and priorities, doesn't it. And/or that we take a look and see if there's some sort of way that the various objectives come together in such a way that everyone involved want to work for them and get dividends. 


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on November 16, 2025, 17:45:56
Correct. Talk to your MP.

Sympathy for GWR. Their budget is still shrinking year-on-year


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 16, 2025, 20:21:26
Ollie - are you saying that the same PAD non-HSS drivers drive 166s AND 800s? And the HSS drivers also drive just 800s?

To answer on behalf of Ollie, yes that’s correct.  Non-HSS drivers sign Turbos, IETs, and 387s.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Ollie on November 16, 2025, 23:14:54
Ollie - are you saying that the same PAD non-HSS drivers drive 166s AND 800s? And the HSS drivers also drive just 800s?

To answer on behalf of Ollie, yes that’s correct.  Non-HSS drivers sign Turbos, IETs, and 387s.

Thank you II.

Some also sign the Class 230.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 18, 2025, 07:04:11
Correct. Talk to your MP.

Sympathy for GWR. Their budget is still shrinking year-on-year

..............not too much sympathy though  ;)

https://www.firstgroupplc.com/investors/results-centre.aspx


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 18, 2025, 11:50:23
Correct. Talk to your MP.

Sympathy for GWR. Their budget is still shrinking year-on-year

..............not too much sympathy though  ;)

https://www.firstgroupplc.com/investors/results-centre.aspx

Shares currently down 12.5% today.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on December 05, 2025, 12:47:40
The latest Oxford Clarion newsletter (https://oxfordclarion.uk/clarion-weekend-5-december-2025/) reports that GWR have applied to the ORR to introduce a full Oxford–Bristol service. Every two hours from May 2026, increasing to every hour from May 2027.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 05, 2025, 12:56:21
The latest Oxford Clarion newsletter (https://oxfordclarion.uk/clarion-weekend-5-december-2025/) reports that GWR have applied to the ORR to introduce a full Oxford–Bristol service. Every two hours from May 2026, increasing to every hour from May 2027.

More details here:

https://www.orr.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-11/gwr-ltd-s22a-301st-sa-network-rail-representations.pdf


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on January 02, 2026, 16:19:42
A rather peevish response from the Bedwyn folks to the Oxford–Bristol plans:

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/passenger-group-concern-over-gwr-oxford-bristol-plans

As Rail points out, the Government expressly asked GWR for a Bristol–Oxford plan in 2023 (following up many years' lobbying by Oxfordshire County Council and others), so the assertion that "The Oxford-Bristol plan is seen as an attempt to offset a potential threat from SLC Rail’s proposed Nottingham-Bristol via Oxford open access service" doesn't really hold water IMO.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on January 31, 2026, 15:32:06
Problems with the service today.

The first round trip arrived back at Bristol Temple Meads nearly 25 minutes late.  The second round trip was then cancelled due to "a fault on this train".


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: anthony215 on February 17, 2026, 18:30:59
Local councillors in Swindon saying lord Hendy has approved a 2 hourly Swindon to Oxford service


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on February 17, 2026, 18:43:59
With what stock, I wonder?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on February 17, 2026, 18:59:16
It's not up to Hendy to approve it, it's up to the ORR. As far as I can see from the Swindon press release, Hendy has just written a letter saying "that sounds like a nice idea".

That said, apparently Network Rail are broadly supportive, so there's probably not much standing in its way. Assuming enough 175s can be crank-started so some IETs can be released...


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on February 17, 2026, 19:03:26
Interesting coz one of the reasons for turning down additional services on that stretch between Swindon & Didcot West was lack of pathing. They've already to find room for the West Wales - Paddington open access


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on February 17, 2026, 19:51:36
With what stock, I wonder?

Those in Bedwyn believe it will use stock being released from elsewhere that was earmarked to restore their through services to London Paddington.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on February 18, 2026, 09:43:47
Interesting coz one of the reasons for turning down additional services on that stretch between Swindon & Didcot West was lack of pathing. They've already to find room for the West Wales - Paddington open access

Network Rail looked at four applications together: GWR Oxford-Bristol, Midland Central Western Railway (aka SLC Rail) Nottingham-Bristol, Lumo Paddington-Hereford, Lumo Paddington-Paignton.

They said GWR Oxford-Bristol would fit, although they might need to send a couple of services via Bristol Parkway rather than Bath. Lumo Paignton and Lumo Hereford would partly work on weekdays but not really at weekends. Their opinion on MCWR is perhaps best summed up with the phrase "lol nope".


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 18, 2026, 11:07:09
With what stock, I wonder?

Based on the 70-minute journey time, two 5-car IET's would be required for a service every two hours.  Only the one extra for the hourly service, with around 40 minutes total turnaround time at Bristol and Oxford each cycle.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on February 18, 2026, 20:07:24
Given some of the five car London Paddington-Oxford services have a lengthy layover at Oxford I was wondering if there is some scope for inter-working. 

I assume it’s not possible to arrive and go back from Oxford without the time consuming trip to the sidings and return. 


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on February 18, 2026, 20:09:51
All through platforms are bi-di....


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 20, 2026, 10:22:20
Given some of the five car London Paddington-Oxford services have a lengthy layover at Oxford I was wondering if there is some scope for inter-working. 

It's possible, but largely depends on the timings.  If, for example, they stick with an xx:03 departure time from Oxford (as per the Saturday trials) then that wouldn't work as it stands, but if they went with an xx:33 it might.  However, the negatives to doing that are that not all of them are 5-cars (especially at weekends) and they arrive from London as DOO whereas the Bristol services will need a TM, so you start to create problems getting staff in position.

I assume it’s not possible to arrive and go back from Oxford without the time consuming trip to the sidings and return.

As Chris says, no need to go to the sidings, though until Platform 5 opens (a couple of years away still, even if being optimistic), there's very little time before the next service is due into either of the through platforms.  I would images, as per the current Saturday trial services, most will arrive on Platform 4, shunt to Down Carriage Siding 3, and then return to depart from Platform 4.  A late arrival might mean that the train can be kept in the platform.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on April 11, 2026, 08:27:02
Wobble.   Hope not too many people got directed away.

Quote
10:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 11:27
12:02 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 13:13

12:02 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 13:13 will be reinstated and will now run as scheduled.
Last Updated:11/04/2026 08:23


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on April 11, 2026, 09:33:27
Quote
10:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 11:27

10:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 11:27 will be reinstated.

This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 5. First class not available. Catering is not available. There are no reservations on this service.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 11, 2026, 11:01:14
The new Oxford<>Bristol service is still awaiting sign off from the DfT AIUI - so the timings aren't in RTT or anywhere public yet.  But this is the very likely weekday timings and headcodes assuming it does...though they are leaving it late to start in May, so perhaps it will be later in the summer?

Ones in BOLD I am pretty certain about, the ones in Italics involved a little bit of guesswork!  Note the headcodes jumping in increments of four, i.e. 1N51 then 1N55, which is to allow the hourly service to be slotted in next year, so there would be a 1N53 at around 08:00 from Oxford to Bristol for example - keeping odd numbers for services to Bristol and even numbers for services to Oxford.

07:00 OXF-BRI (08:20) - 1N51
09:xx OXF-BRI (10:xx) - 1N55
11:03 OXF-BRI (12:13) - 1N59
13:03 OXF-BRI (14:15) - 1N63
15:04 OXF-BRI (16:13) - 1N67
17:00 OXF-BRI (18:18) - 1N71
19:04 OXF-BRI (20:16) - 1N75
21:xx OXF-BRI (22:xx) - 1N79

07:xx BRI-OXF (08:xx) - 1N52
09:08 BRI-OXF (10:25) - 1N56
11:xx BRI-OXF (12:xx) - 1N60
13:09 BRI-OXF (14:29) - 1N64 (via Bristol Parkway?)
15:16 BRI-OXF (16:30) - 1N68
17:12 BRI-OXF (18:29) - 1N72
19:15 BRI-OXF (20:32) - 1N76
21:10 BRI-OXF (22:27) - 1N80


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on April 11, 2026, 11:25:41
I was checking RTT earlier to see if there was any sign of them.  As II says they have yet to appear.

However on the 13th June (a Saturday) there are trips from Bristol to Oxford and back.

Also on both that day and the previous week, there is a through service from Exeter St Davids to Oxford.

RTT has been known to produce false alarms but this is puzzling.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Bob_Blakey on April 12, 2026, 08:46:45
The through EXD > OXF service, which is part of a Stoke Gifford > BRI > EXD > BRI >TAU > BRI > EXD > OXF > Stoke Gifford diagram, appears to be due to a temporary recasting of the normal Saturday timetable consequent upon the 23/05 to 08/06 Severn Tunnel closure. The normal EXD <> CDF Saturday services restart on 13th June.

At least that is according to RTT!


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 12, 2026, 10:42:29
However on the 13th June (a Saturday) there are trips from Bristol to Oxford and back.

And, interestingly, they are on the alternative hour to the proposed weekday service (with the different headcodes).  So, perhaps that's how the Saturday service will shape up?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on May 09, 2026, 16:42:43
Rich Wilcox has tweeted/x'd (https://x.com/richfromrail/status/2052758067234673032?s=12) -

Quote
The ORR has approved GWR's bid to run two-hourly Weekday and Saturday services from Bristol to Oxford.

However, Network Rail has to implement risk measures at 13 level crossings before any GWR services can start

This only for a trial period - to end 2027 & ORR is quite clear that a "strong presumption of continuation of rights does NOT apply"

Suspect that level crossing work will delay the service starting....


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ray951 on May 09, 2026, 19:30:28
Rich Wilcox has tweeted/x'd (https://x.com/richfromrail/status/2052758067234673032?s=12) -

Quote
The ORR has approved GWR's bid to run two-hourly Weekday and Saturday services from Bristol to Oxford.

However, Network Rail has to implement risk measures at 13 level crossings before any GWR services can start

This only for a trial period - to end 2027 & ORR is quite clear that a "strong presumption of continuation of rights does NOT apply"

Suspect that level crossing work will delay the service starting....

And they wonder why the railways cost so much to run.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on May 09, 2026, 20:55:24
Given those crossings were flagged in paragraph 12 of this document a year ago, I wonder how far that work has got.

 https://www.orr.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-11/gwr-ltd-s22a-301st-sa-network-rail-representations.pdf (https://www.orr.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-11/gwr-ltd-s22a-301st-sa-network-rail-representations.pdf)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ellendune on May 09, 2026, 21:16:00
Rich Wilcox has tweeted/x'd (https://x.com/richfromrail/status/2052758067234673032?s=12) -

Quote
The ORR has approved GWR's bid to run two-hourly Weekday and Saturday services from Bristol to Oxford.

However, Network Rail has to implement risk measures at 13 level crossings before any GWR services can start

This only for a trial period - to end 2027 & ORR is quite clear that a "strong presumption of continuation of rights does NOT apply"

Suspect that level crossing work will delay the service starting....

By 2027 we can expect that GBR will determine whether these services continue not ORR.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 10, 2026, 06:59:10
From where will the additional rolling stock and crews be found to run these services without shortforming/cancelling others?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 10, 2026, 07:40:49
From where will the additional rolling stock and crews be found to run these services without shortforming/cancelling others?

175s in Cornwall cascading some IETs.   Who knows - Hungerford / Kintbury / Bedwyn may get back their hourly London train.   Not sure on crews - perhaps staff will feel patriotic and be prepared to do more overtime if they're working for the nation.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 10, 2026, 12:56:46
From where will the additional rolling stock and crews be found to run these services without shortforming/cancelling others?

175s in Cornwall cascading some IETs.   Who knows - Hungerford / Kintbury / Bedwyn may get back their hourly London train.   Not sure on crews - perhaps staff will feel patriotic and be prepared to do more overtime if they're working for the nation.

Oxford depot drivers are signing the route, and will share the work with Bristol and Paddington (AIUI).  At Oxford depot there has been slack for a while now, but they were unable to help out much with the routes that have traditionally struggled with crew as they only went as far west as Swindon.

Plus a lot of trainees are going through the system at the moment.

Though I fully expect there to be the same shortages over summer as every year, especially on Sundays as the DfT are still sitting on the Sunday in the working week proposals.

And yes, stock will come from the 175 introduction, so the longer the start is delayed, the better in terms of the problems with that.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 10, 2026, 17:32:30
Quote
... the same shortages over summer as every year, especially on Sundays as the DfT are still sitting on the Sunday in the working week proposals.

Purely out of idle curiosity on my part: do any of those jobsworths civil servants at the Department for Transport have invitations to attend these famed GWR staff Sunday BBQs? :P



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 10, 2026, 21:15:32
Quote
... the same shortages over summer as every year, especially on Sundays as the DfT are still sitting on the Sunday in the working week proposals.

Purely out of idle curiosity on my part: do any of those jobsworths civil servants at the Department for Transport have invitations to attend these famed GWR staff Sunday BBQs? :P



Hmmmmm......civil servants with Sunday in the working week........now there's a thought!  (Or indeed any time after around 3pm on a Friday!)  ;D


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: johnneyw on May 11, 2026, 10:03:26
Purely out of idle curiosity on my part: do any of those jobsworths civil servants at the Department for Transport have invitations to attend these famed GWR staff Sunday BBQs? :P



The GWR Bumper Sunday BBQ Recipe Book".... surely a best seller just waiting to be published?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Noggin on May 11, 2026, 12:40:12
Perhaps a French union might be able to provide one of these for Sunday services?

https://www.eurogunzel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Les-cheminots-ont-manifest%C3%A9-dans-le-centre-de-Nice-en-ce-lundi-sans-train-video-by-France-3-Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te-dAzur.jpg (https://www.eurogunzel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Les-cheminots-ont-manifest%C3%A9-dans-le-centre-de-Nice-en-ce-lundi-sans-train-video-by-France-3-Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te-dAzur.jpg)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 12, 2026, 19:17:48
…so the longer the start is delayed, the better in terms of the problems with that.

I’m hearing the start might not be delayed now!


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: anthony215 on May 13, 2026, 22:13:28
Heard its been given the green light by the ORR


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 13, 2026, 23:09:19
From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g0jl55rlgo):

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Direct trains to run from Swindon to Oxford if line is made safer

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The GWR service would mean passengers would no longer need to change at Didcot Parkway - Image © Aled Thomas

A direct daily rail service between Swindon and Oxford has been given the green light as long as some level crossings on the line are made safer.

The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) has approved an application from Great Western Railway (GWR) to run a two-hourly service between Bristol, Swindon and Oxford on weekdays and Saturdays from 17 May. An ORR spokesman said the service has been approved provided Network Rail brings in "reasonably practicable level crossing safety measures" on the route.

A GWR spokesman, said it understands customers will be "disappointed" the service has not been "fully" reinstated but it will continue to work with Network Rail to "understand what more can be done".

Currently there are no direct services between Swindon and Oxford, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service. Passengers have to change at Didcot Parkway or Reading to travel between the two stations. A direct service would shave more than 10 minutes off the current fastest weekday journey time to under 30 minutes.

The ORR said after analysing the "impact on punctuality and reliability" as well as level crossing safety, it had approved the service "subject" to certain conditions. "Network Rail will undertake a performance review of the two-hourly service before deciding on a long-term view on GWR's proposal to run hourly services," it said.

A GWR spokesman said customers will be disappointed the ORR "has not been able to approve proposals to fully reinstate services - at this stage as hoped. We will continue working closely with Network Rail and industry partners to understand what more can be done to introduce additional services as quickly and safely as possible," he said.

The proposals came after a trial saw limited weekend services run between Swindon and Oxford in 2024.

Jim Robbins, leader of Swindon Borough Council, said it was "outstanding news for Swindon".

"Shortening the time needed to get to Oxford will be massive for people who regularly travel and take pressure off the A420," he said. "This will help us attract even more jobs and growth to the town."

Conservative leader Gary Sumner, said it was "positive news" for the town. "I will be very interested to see the take-up of the service," he said. "Anything that adds to connectivity is to be welcomed, but as usual, it's having reasonably priced fares which are the key to the service being sustainable."



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on May 14, 2026, 11:06:41
Is it me or does this conflate two separate issues?

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Oxonhutch on May 14, 2026, 13:07:29
Is it me or does this conflate two separate issues?

Indeed, I don't recall any level crossings on the Didcot west curve ...


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on May 14, 2026, 13:52:37
In terms of road crossings, on the GWML there's the terrible twosome at Steventon, and on the line to Oxford there's an 'Authorised user only one with a not-particularly-helpful road arrangement at either side - recorded on a Google Streetview from 2011 with a sort of vehicular dance in progress and which can't fill anyone that sees the image with much reassurance.  c. 2016 it received a pair of gantries at either side but I don't know what those were for. (Streetview link below shows the most recent image...)

Mark

https://maps.app.goo.gl/qna9Cq2HHiaDtV9E8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/qna9Cq2HHiaDtV9E8)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 14, 2026, 19:00:36
It’s the UWC (User Worked Crossings), that are the issue, not road crossings.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ray951 on May 14, 2026, 19:58:03
In terms of road crossings, on the GWML there's the terrible twosome at Steventon, and on the line to Oxford there's an 'Authorised user only one with a not-particularly-helpful road arrangement at either side - recorded on a Google Streetview from 2011 with a sort of vehicular dance in progress and which can't fill anyone that sees the image with much reassurance.  c. 2016 it received a pair of gantries at either side but I don't know what those were for. (Streetview link below shows the most recent image...)

Mark

https://maps.app.goo.gl/qna9Cq2HHiaDtV9E8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/qna9Cq2HHiaDtV9E8)
The gantries are part of the aborted electrification scheme to Oxford, cancelled 10 years and no sign of it ever being finished.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 15, 2026, 10:53:26
…so the longer the start is delayed, the better in terms of the problems with that.

I’m hearing the start might not be delayed now!

Indeed, all good for a launch on Monday as originally hoped.  Services now in RealTimeTrains and the journey planners:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:SWI/2026-05-18/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=GW


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: eightonedee on May 15, 2026, 11:30:53
Can they be persuaded to continue the service on to Milton Keynes? I understand that there is an unmet need for such a service and a nice newly rebuilt line available...


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on May 15, 2026, 12:05:35
I'm wondering how the Coffeeshop forum's disruption map will render this service. (Obviously, also hoping it will not need to render it at all.)

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on May 15, 2026, 12:16:39
Can they be persuaded to continue the service on to Milton Keynes? I understand that there is an unmet need for such a service and a nice newly rebuilt line available...

*Snorts*: introducing the new East of the city park and ride for Bath: Oxford Parkway. :-)

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 15, 2026, 12:45:00
I'm wondering how the Coffeeshop forum's disruption map will render this service. (Obviously, also hoping it will not need to render it at all.)

Mark

It's been doing distruptions to the two Saturday trains AOK - it should show fine.

I did note that the King's Speech includes a rationalisation of 14 websites into one and there is no guarantee our feed will remain - so there may be changes needed at the Coffee Shop.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: JohnM on May 15, 2026, 12:56:34
Indeed, all good for a launch on Monday as originally hoped.  Services now in RealTimeTrains and the journey planners:
Brilliant! For my Melksham-Bristol commute:
  • it's now practical to catch the 07:21 from Melksham instead of the 06:29 (because if I miss the unofficial 07:33 connection at Chippenham (likely) there's the new 07:47, don't have to wait for the 08:09)
  • what was going to be a >30 min wait at Chippenham (due to the 18:00 CPM-MKM moving to 18:09) is reduced to ~20 mins thanks to the new 17:15 from Bristol, which I'll catch instead of the 17:00.
8)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 15, 2026, 15:17:14
Indeed, all good for a launch on Monday as originally hoped.  Services now in RealTimeTrains and the journey planners:
Brilliant! For my Melksham-Bristol commute:
  • it's now practical to catch the 07:21 from Melksham instead of the 06:29 (because if I miss the unofficial 07:33 connection at Chippenham (likely) there's the new 07:47, don't have to wait for the 08:09)
  • what was going to be a >30 min wait at Chippenham (due to the 18:00 CPM-MKM moving to 18:09) is reduced to ~20 mins thanks to the new 17:15 from Bristol, which I'll catch instead of the 17:00.
8)

Yes - those are *very* pleasing ... and it is also pleasing to see practical commutes from Westbury, Trowbridge, Melkshan (and Chippenham and Swindon) to Oxford too.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 15, 2026, 16:50:41
Indeed, all good for a launch on Monday as originally hoped.  Services now in RealTimeTrains and the journey planners:
Brilliant! For my Melksham-Bristol commute:
  • it's now practical to catch the 07:21 from Melksham instead of the 06:29 (because if I miss the unofficial 07:33 connection at Chippenham (likely) there's the new 07:47, don't have to wait for the 08:09)
  • what was going to be a >30 min wait at Chippenham (due to the 18:00 CPM-MKM moving to 18:09) is reduced to ~20 mins thanks to the new 17:15 from Bristol, which I'll catch instead of the 17:00.
8)

Yes - those are *very* pleasing ... and it is also pleasing to see practical commutes from Westbury, Trowbridge, Melkshan (and Chippenham and Swindon) to Oxford too.

A good example of a service planned and implemented for a different market also having positive benefits elsewhere.

Can they be persuaded to continue the service on to Milton Keynes? I understand that there is an unmet need for such a service and a nice newly rebuilt line available...

There have been whispers of exactly that happening!  Can’t see it myself, not for a few years at least, but you never know.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Oxonhutch on May 15, 2026, 18:03:52
There have been whispers of exactly that happening!  Can’t see it myself, not for a few years at least, but you never know.

Well, the stock do have train managers aboard.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: JohnM on May 15, 2026, 18:24:30
Indeed, all good for a launch on Monday as originally hoped.  Services now in RealTimeTrains and the journey planners:
Brilliant! For my Melksham-Bristol commute:
  • it's now practical to catch the 07:21 from Melksham instead of the 06:29 (because if I miss the unofficial 07:33 connection at Chippenham (likely) there's the new 07:47, don't have to wait for the 08:09)
  • what was going to be a >30 min wait at Chippenham (due to the 18:00 CPM-MKM moving to 18:09) is reduced to ~20 mins thanks to the new 17:15 from Bristol, which I'll catch instead of the 17:00.
8)

Yes - those are *very* pleasing ... and it is also pleasing to see practical commutes from Westbury, Trowbridge, Melkshan (and Chippenham and Swindon) to Oxford too.

A good example of a service planned and implemented for a different market also having positive benefits elsewhere.

...although it will be interesting to see how busy those services are; the Chippenham-Bristol IETs are fine if you move down to coach C and beyond, certainly a much better chance of getting 2 seats to yourself (and working on laptop) than on the 2 coach service I'm currently catching at Trowbridge.

Speaking of which, the 06:29 Trowbridge and 07:21 Chippenham commutes are both scheduled as taking 59 mins. But the latter should occasionally drop to 44 mins when the 07:21 is on time, allowing connection with the (existing) 07:33 Bristol service instead of the (new) 07:47.

EDIT: that is, I think someone said the new services wouldn't be IETs? Might have got that wrong.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on May 15, 2026, 19:22:26
Presumably they're IETs as the National Rail site lists 1st class fares against them.

For Bath to Oxford:

Anytime standard day return £77.20
Anytime standard return £169.40
Anytime 1st return £202.20
Anytime 1st return £278.60 (allows travel via Reading but not via London terminals - for comparison, a Bath Spa to London Paddington anytime return is £380.60.)

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on May 15, 2026, 19:26:57
There have been whispers of exactly that happening!  Can’t see it myself, not for a few years at least, but you never know.

Well, the stock do have train managers aboard.

Lack of stock for those journeys I reckon

Presumably they're IETs as the National Rail site lists 1st class fares against them.

For Bath to Oxford:

Anytime standard day return £77.20

Strewth. Not even an hour.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 16, 2026, 03:46:56
Pathed as IETs - thought I did note one Saturday case in recent months of a turbo being run instead. 

(https://www.wellho.info/pix/bri2oxf202605.jpg)

All times shown are public timetable departures (obviously arrivals at final station)
No Sunday service


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 16, 2026, 07:04:26
There have been whispers of exactly that happening!  Can’t see it myself, not for a few years at least, but you never know.

Well, the stock do have train managers aboard.

Lack of stock for those journeys I reckon

Presumably they're IETs as the National Rail site lists 1st class fares against them.

For Bath to Oxford:

Anytime standard day return £77.20

Strewth. Not even an hour.

That's a considerable increase from the current Bath - Oxford fare isn't it?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 16, 2026, 11:40:04
From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6p5dz062do):

Quote
Direct Oxford to Swindon rail service set to begin after 23 years

A direct rail service from Oxford to Swindon is expected to set off for the first time in more than 20 years.

The first daily direct service will begin on Monday from 07:00 BST, travelling from Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads, after Network Rail and Great Western Railway (GWR) gave the final sign-off on Friday. The new service, which comes back into operation after 23 years, cuts more than 10 minutes off the current fastest weekday journey time to under 30 minutes.

Marcus Jones, Network Rail western route director, said the service would "open up new opportunities for work, education and leisure".

Currently, there are no direct services between Swindon and Oxford, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service. Passengers have to change at Didcot Parkway or Reading to travel between the two stations.

It comes after the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) approved a bid on 13 May from GWR to run a two-hourly service between Bristol, Swindon and Oxford on weekdays and Saturdays from 17 May.

The new service will run Monday to Saturday, between Bristol Temple Meads, Bath Spa, Chippenham, Swindon and Oxford. The first service leaves Oxford at 07:00 on Monday, arriving into Swindon at 07:30 and Bristol Temple Meads at 08:20. From Bristol, the first train will leave at 07:14, arriving into Swindon at 07:59 and Oxford at 08:32. Fastest direct journey times from Oxford will be one hour and eight minutes, and from Bristol one hour and 11 minutes.

Jones said: "These links will make it easier for people to travel between key economic centres, opening up new opportunities for work, education and leisure, while we continue to deliver further improvements across the route in the months ahead."

Transport Secretary and Swindon South MP Heidi Alexander said the service would "provide a fast, convenient alternative to being stuck in a traffic jam on the A420".

Mark Hopwood, GWR managing director, said: "We are confident that these new services demonstrate the value of rail in driving economic growth, environmental benefits, and creating education and employment opportunities."



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on May 16, 2026, 12:23:29
Bath to Oxford return trip via rail is around 126 miles, so... for the anytime day return, is that ~60 pence per mile? (Or around £1.60 per mile for 1st class return).

Mischievously, we can work out the income from a round trip at peak times with a hypothetical 100% occupancy of the seating by full fare paying adults (not, of course, a calculation that reflects reality). £7272 from First and £22330 from standard, so, the total fare take would be £29.602.

Returning to the real world, yes, if it wasn't for that anytime day return at ~£77, it's actually pricier than Bath Spa to Birmingham which by rail, with its slightly round-the-houses route, is around a 200 mile return trip (and priced for good measure by Crosscountry).

While most people will presumably not be travelling on walk-up tickets it's worth bearing them in mind because if someone *has* to make a short-horizon decision to travel (think 'Family emergency') - does not have their own wheels - and has to use peak time trains, these are the prices to which they'll be exposed.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: brooklea on May 16, 2026, 12:51:31
Are the fares any different to now? (Spoiler alert - I don’t think they are).

Those making a day trip, and not travelling out on the first direct train of the day, will presumably pay the (walk-up) Off-Peak Day Return fare of £26.70, which doesn’t seem excessive to me.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 16, 2026, 18:28:04
Presumably they're IETs as the National Rail site lists 1st class fares against them.

For Bath to Oxford:

Anytime standard day return £77.20
Anytime standard return £169.40
Anytime 1st return £202.20
Anytime 1st return £278.60 (allows travel via Reading but not via London terminals - for comparison, a Bath Spa to London Paddington anytime return is £380.60.)

Yes, 5-car IET’s.  Though no reason why Turbos can’t be used in case of shortages (other than the relative lack of performance).

The anytime ticket prices will be the same as currently (routed ‘Not Reading’), surely?  There will of course be the possibility of more/cheaper advance fares than now.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on May 16, 2026, 20:46:37
Indeed, outside the peak, fares drop to levels that to which many more people can relate. Also, for the moment there's ample availability of advance fares and at useful times of day too (the availability granted at the discretion of the rail company of course).

Checking the annual season ticket Swindon - Oxford, that comes out as £4276, or £16.46 per day. I've no idea if the annual season ticket holder from Swindon to Oxford qualifies for any additional benefits: rail commuters outside London have reason to look ruefully at people holding annual season tickets for travel within London, as these unlock unlimited travel on some or all of London's rail network.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Oxonhutch on May 16, 2026, 20:48:52
... I've no idea if the annual season ticket holder from Swindon to Oxford qualifies for any additional benefits: rail commuters outside London have reason to look ruefully at people holding annual season tickets for travel within London, as these unlock unlimited travel on some or all of London's rail network.

Should do, as the destination is within the Network Card area.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ray951 on May 16, 2026, 20:49:08

Yes, 5-car IET’s.  Though no reason why Turbos can’t be used in case of shortages (other than the relative lack of performance).

The anytime ticket prices will be the same as currently (routed ‘Not Reading’), surely?  There will of course be the possibility of more/cheaper advance fares than now.
And the lack of spare Turbos.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 16, 2026, 21:00:29
Indeed, outside the peak, fares drop to levels that to which many more people can relate. Also, for the moment there's ample availability of advance fares and at useful times of day too (the availability granted at the discretion of the rail company of course).

You’re not wrong there. 

“Advance single Wednesday coming on the 07:29 from Bath to Oxford, sir?  That’ll be a tenner please!”

“Back home on the 17:04 or 19:00? Yep, you’ve guessed it…another tenner. Or for an extra £15 you can travel back in 1st Class if you like?”



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 17, 2026, 05:31:17
Indeed, outside the peak, fares drop to levels that to which many more people can relate. Also, for the moment there's ample availability of advance fares and at useful times of day too (the availability granted at the discretion of the rail company of course).

You’re not wrong there. 

“Advance single Wednesday coming on the 07:29 from Bath to Oxford, sir?  That’ll be a tenner please!”

“Back home on the 17:04 or 19:00? Yep, you’ve guessed it…another tenner. Or for an extra £15 you can travel back in 1st Class if you like?”



Fares are "all over the place" when you head east from Swindon, and adding extra service is a wonderful thing (four cheers!) but does not sort out the quirks, overcharges, occasional bargains, and rule changes.  It's an example of where Network South East meets premium priced high speed long distance fares and the regional fares of the Bristol and Bath (Western Gateway) economic area.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 17, 2026, 05:35:12
Mailing list from heads of GWR and Network Rail area (signed Mark and Marcus) including reference to the introductory lower cost fares some members have noted

Quote
We promised to keep you updated on changes to our timetable, and we're very pleased to confirm that from Monday 17 May, we'll be running direct services from Bristol to Oxford every two hours. This follows initial safety measures being put in place along the route ahead of services starting, and further safety improvements in the months to come, as discussed with our regulator, the Office of Rail and Road (ORR).

This builds on our trial of running a limited number of these services on Saturdays. The new services will run Monday-Saturday. Online journey planners have been updated, and tickets are available for purchase including special introductory fares from £10 between Bath Spa to Oxford and £6 from Swindon to Oxford.

The services will call at Bristol Temple Meads, Bath Spa, Chippenham, Swindon, and Oxford – providing direct links between these communities and Oxford for the first time in more than 20 years.

We know this is something customers and partners have been campaigning for over recent years, and we’re very grateful to those who have supported our case to make this happen, following upgrades that Network Rail has completed in the last few years providing much needed additional rail capacity at and around Oxford station.

The economic and social benefits are clear, and we're confident that these new services demonstrate the value of rail in driving economic growth, environmental benefits, and creating education and employment opportunities which previously were not possible – as well as directly linking two of the key leisure markets in the UK.

Thank you again for your support and do let us know of any questions you may have.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: froome on May 17, 2026, 10:14:29
Why is Sunday running not included in these services? Demand to travel between major tourist centres (Oxford, Bath and Bristol) is likely to be at least as high on a Sunday as any other day.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 17, 2026, 10:35:30
Why is Sunday running not included in these services? Demand to travel between major tourist centres (Oxford, Bath and Bristol) is likely to be at least as high on a Sunday as any other day.

It wasn't in the Section 22A application to the (ORR) either for the 2-hourly service from tomorrow, or the hourly service from next May.

The two most likely reasons:

1)  Availability of paths on a Sunday due to engineering works.
2)  Availability of staff on a Sunday due to historic reasons.

Agreed it would be nice, and appropriate, to provide a Sunday service as well.  Perhaps when Sunday's are in the working week?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 17, 2026, 17:25:57
Why is Sunday running not included in these services? Demand to travel between major tourist centres (Oxford, Bath and Bristol) is likely to be at least as high on a Sunday as any other day.

It wasn't in the Section 22A application to the (ORR) either for the 2-hourly service from tomorrow, or the hourly service from next May.

The two most likely reasons:

1)  Availability of paths on a Sunday due to engineering works.
2)  Availability of staff on a Sunday due to historic reasons.

Agreed it would be nice, and appropriate, to provide a Sunday service as well.  Perhaps when Sunday's are in the working week?

"When" doing the heavy lifting there!  ;)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on May 18, 2026, 09:09:27
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swioxf0.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swioxf1.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swioxf2.jpg)

Among those at Swindon to join the first Oxford bound train were Swindon South MP and Secretary of State for Transport Heidi Alexander, Mark Hopwood MD of GWR and Will Stone Swindon North MP.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 18, 2026, 09:11:25
The people of Chippenham greeting the arrival of the inaugural service to Oxford with wild enthusiasm this morning! (from elsewhere on social media)  ;)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: rowan roaming on May 18, 2026, 22:35:08
Hello. I am someone who has been commuting from Oxford to Bristol twice a week for the past 13 years. I have got to know the route and Didcot waiting room well over the years. I am sole carer of a little girl and the frustrations and failures of the Didcot Dance have left me in tears on Didcot platform countless times, begging train managers to try to hold the train on platform 5, and, once, resorting to taking a taxi back to Oxford. I also became friends with a nice GWR worker called Spencer a few years back, who suggested that he thought one day the direct trains would come back. Another time, I was given Mark Hopwood's Didcot address by a sympathetic train manager, though I never did find the time to write. One of the most frustrating things has been to see how daft the timetables are (either the long wait on the cold platform at Didcot or the ludicrous and dangerous run from one platform to the other) and to experience this country's obsession with London when, on several occasions, those of us due to come off the train from Bristol at Didcot were told it would not be stopping there, presumably lest it inconvenience London commuters.

The expertise and insider info of this forum has kept my hope alive. So thank you! The irony being, however, that the week the direct train arrived I do not in fact need to travel in. I am wondering whether to travel in one day anyway, just for the sheer novelty of it.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 18, 2026, 23:49:05
Thank you for joining us on the Coffee Shop forum, rowan roaming, and for your first post.

Please do continue to read our topics, and take hope from them.

Best wishes, Chris from Nailsea. :)



Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 19, 2026, 06:53:38
It was an excellent opening day.

All train ran, none of them at any intermediate stop were more than 8 minutes late, and the biggest delay at destination was 4 minutes, with the majority arriving on time or early.

I’m sure there will be much worse days to come, but even our resident ‘negative Nancy’ had to rather scrape the barrel to find something adverse to post.  ;)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 21, 2026, 14:43:26
Someone was asking how these would show up on our disruption map ... yep, they do ...

Quote
13:09 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 14:29

13:09 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 14:29 is being delayed between Bath Spa and Swindon and is now expected to be 17 minutes late.
This is due to a late running freight train

Quote
13:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 14:15

13:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 14:15 is being delayed between Swindon and Chippenham and is now expected to be 32 minutes late.
This is due to a late running freight train.

Very odd in effecting trains in both directions - shunt movement at Royal Wootton Bassett?

(https://www.wellho.info/pix/b2od1.jpg)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on May 21, 2026, 17:45:32
Freight was held on the up line so reversible working was needed - which obviously does affect both lines.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on May 24, 2026, 15:08:15
Everything was running late at Oxford on Friday afternoon, but while waiting for my train home I noticed the 1700 to Bristol was very healthily loaded. It left Oxford 22 minutes late but was only 9 late by Bristol, by the looks of it thanks partly to a scheduled six-minute dwell at Bath. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G15077/2026-05-22/detailed


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 25, 2026, 12:24:40
Everything was running late at Oxford on Friday afternoon, but while waiting for my train home I noticed the 1700 to Bristol was very healthily loaded. It left Oxford 22 minutes late but was only 9 late by Bristol, by the looks of it thanks partly to a scheduled six-minute dwell at Bath. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G15077/2026-05-22/detailed

Yes, plenty of allowances for pathing and engineering works on that one.

I think the quickest I noted last week did the full Oxford to Bristol journey in 1h 5m after starting a little late from Oxford, so I guess that is pretty much the optimal time using an IET.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 27, 2026, 06:02:30
09:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 10:11
09:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 10:11 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

11:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 12:29
11:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 12:29 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

13:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 14:15
13:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 14:15 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

15:04 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:13
15:04 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:13 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 27, 2026, 06:09:29
Oh dear ... teething troubles for the new service, or is GWR / NR locally in meltdown?  Journeycheck is reporting 40 cancellations across the GWR operated services this morning, and a further  21 updates which look like they're largely short runs (cancellations for some).


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 27, 2026, 12:14:20
Oh dear ... teething troubles for the new service, or is GWR / NR locally in meltdown?  Journeycheck is reporting 40 cancellations across the GWR operated services this morning, and a further  21 updates which look like they're largely short runs (cancellations for some).

Is that ten days into the new service before the first cancellation?  After the hottest ever temperatures recorded in May and easily the hottest Bank Holiday Monday on record (including the August one)? 

With exceptional heat comes all sorts of additional stresses on the GWR service which as we know is already fragile.

Literally a meltdown I would say!


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: John D on May 27, 2026, 12:45:16
Oh dear ... teething troubles for the new service, or is GWR / NR locally in meltdown?  Journeycheck is reporting 40 cancellations across the GWR operated services this morning, and a further  21 updates which look like they're largely short runs (cancellations for some).

Is that ten days into the new service before the first cancellation?  After the hottest ever temperatures recorded in May and easily the hottest Bank Holiday Monday on record (including the August one)? 

With exceptional heat comes all sorts of additional stresses on the GWR service which as we know is already fragile.

Literally a meltdown I would say!

It might be (very) hot for May, but late July / early August is on average the hottest time of year.   We are not in the high 30s

Does ask a big question though, what temperature should be the stress point.  I would argue that anything failing at the moment is either not maintained well, or was under specified.   

Have to accept that temperatures in low to mid 30s are not uncommon in recent years, and really should be able to be handled without failing.

GWR territory is not like somewhere like Chicago or Vienna where temperatures vary from about -25-20c to +40-45c.   So why our equipment is allowed to be so fragile is not clear to me.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 27, 2026, 13:01:31
Oh dear ... teething troubles for the new service, or is GWR / NR locally in meltdown?  Journeycheck is reporting 40 cancellations across the GWR operated services this morning, and a further  21 updates which look like they're largely short runs (cancellations for some).

Is that ten days into the new service before the first cancellation?  After the hottest ever temperatures recorded in May and easily the hottest Bank Holiday Monday on record (including the August one)? 

With exceptional heat comes all sorts of additional stresses on the GWR service which as we know is already fragile.

Literally a meltdown I would say!

With so many problems on other services that show resources stretched, reasons like "not enough working trains" and "not enough working staff" for cancellations of the service that's just ten days old brings something of a wry smile.   Issues which are hightened by extreme weather are more forgiven.

But yet ... the Bristol <-> Oxford service has been doing very well compared to certain others ...
(https://www.wellho.info/pix/twl20260526.jpg)
... and I can't help wondering if some of those cancellations which were cause by lack of a working train or lack of working staff would have actually been cancellation if GWR wasn't so stretched to make the new service reasonably reliable. Are they trying to spread things too thinly? 


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 27, 2026, 13:17:16
It might be (very) hot for May, but late July / early August is on average the hottest time of year.   We are not in the high 30s

Does ask a big question though, what temperature should be the stress point.  I would argue that anything failing at the moment is either not maintained well, or was under specified.   

Have to accept that temperatures in low to mid 30s are not uncommon in recent years, and really should be able to be handled without failing.

GWR territory is not like somewhere like Chicago or Vienna where temperatures vary from about -25-20c to +40-45c.   So why our equipment is allowed to be so fragile is not clear to me.

It's a good question.   I would argue that the ability to handle extreme heat is actually better than it was 5-15 years ago, despite that heat arriving more often.  I don't recall any really major issues* over this heatwave so far, and my memory of 5-15 years ago was that whenever the temperature hit 30 degrees there was a high likelihood the service would collapse completely.

You could spend a whole heap of money replacing things with higher tolerances, but does that offer good value for two to three spells over 30 degrees each summer?

And is Chicago or Vienna much more immune to weather related incidents?  Or do we just not hear about them?

I don't have much experience of either, other than a visit to Vienna in the early 1990s, but a quick Google brought up the following...

https://metra.com/Service-disruptions

https://www.visahq.com/news/2026-01-13/at/bb-issues-nationwide-travel-warning-as-ice-storm-knocks-out-inter-city-rail-links/

* By which I mean complete cessastion of services on the trunk GWR routes

With so many problems on other services that show resources stretched, reasons like "not enough working trains" and "not enough working staff" for cancellations of the service that's just ten days old brings something of a wry smile.   Issues which are hightened by extreme weather are more forgiven.

But yet ... the Bristol <-> Oxford service has been doing very well compared to certain others ...

... and I can't help wondering if some of those cancellations which were cause by lack of a working train or lack of working staff would have actually been cancellation if GWR wasn't so stretched to make the new service reasonably reliable. Are they trying to spread things too thinly? 

Much too early to draw any conclusions either way. 

In terms of comparisons with the TransWilts I don't think there is any interface with either the trains or the staff that work each route, so the only impact they might have on each other is the shared tracks between Thingly Junction and Swindon...and obviously more trains running over a route increases the chances of knock-on delays.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 27, 2026, 13:44:26
In terms of comparisons with the TransWilts I don't think there is any interface with either the trains or the staff that work each route, so the only impact they might have on each other is the shared tracks between Thingly Junction and Swindon...and obviously more trains running over a route increases the chances of knock-on delays.

Oh - I agree with you ... I was imagining the cascading that might go on ...
Quote
"We're short of a driver from Bristol to Oxford and that's a High Vis service"
"OK - let's take George off the Bristol to Salisbury - he can drive an IET and knows the road"
"But who will drive the Salisbury train"
"We can take Gillian off the Westbury to Swindon shuttle for that"
"So who will drive the TransWilts train"
"Oh - we'll cancel that ... it's no longer a high vis service with ministerial interest"


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on May 27, 2026, 15:10:02
It also carries at least half of the number of customers of te other routes mentioned. :-X


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 27, 2026, 15:24:13
It also carries at least half of the number of customers of te other routes mentioned. :-X

With 26% cancellations and nothing else for a number of hours, are we surprised that passenger numbers are so low - though they are typically way, way above the target numbers when the service was introduced  ;D.

Not looking for the lowest common denominator.   Looking for an operation that runs well over 95% of the services it promises in the timetable rather than 74%


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 27, 2026, 15:37:27
Oh - I agree with you ... I was imagining the cascading that might go on ...

Believe me, they're neither that devious...nor that clever!


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on May 27, 2026, 16:12:08
"We're short of a driver from Bristol to Oxford and that's a High Vis service"
"OK - let's take George off the Bristol to Salisbury - he can drive an IET and knows the road"
"But who will drive the Salisbury train"
"We can take Gillian off the Westbury to Swindon shuttle for that"
"So who will drive the TransWilts train"
"Oh - we'll cancel that ... it's no longer a high vis service with ministerial interest"

Dangerous to read too much into one month's figures - but in April TransWilts passenger numbers were up on April last year and April 2019.   I think that is the first time it has got above pre-pandemic levels.

(https://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/wsbswiapr26.jpg)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on May 27, 2026, 16:15:18
That is still *way* down on total customers mentioned by Graham on other routes - and the operators WILL take number of customers affected into account when cancelling/altering services. Of course those services carrying the fewest customers will suffer the biggest brunt of cancellations


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: bobm on May 27, 2026, 16:31:27
Agreed although my somewhat unspoken point was that if the service is reliable people will use it.   There were less than 20 cancellations in April (with eight on one day).  This was preceded by a reasonable February and March where barring a car on the line and several attempts to demolish the bridge at Limpley Stoke, the reliability was markedly better than pre-Christmas.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on May 27, 2026, 16:46:05
Agreed - but would *still* be well below the previous highest customer number on other routes....


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: JohnM on May 27, 2026, 17:38:18
Catching 17:12 from Bristol for first time today - well I was, but it's been cancelled (showing 'on time' at 17:12). Now on the 17:29 Paddington, was originally hoping to continue to Chippenham to still connect with the 18:00 Melksham service (just), but it's now 17:35 and we're not moving - 'delayed'.

So looks like plan C - get off at Bath, assuming we ever get there, and catch 18:15 Melksham bus, after walking/running up to the Hilton to catch it.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 27, 2026, 17:46:03
Confirmed along with its return running......

17:12 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 18:29
17:12 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 18:29 has been cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time

19:04 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:16
19:04 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:16 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: JohnM on May 27, 2026, 17:48:54
Ha if only - broken down freight train between Bristol and Bath. So 17:29 first stop is Swindon - that's the only option really I think, and come back from there. Just departed Bristol.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: JohnM on May 27, 2026, 17:52:58
Hopefully catch 18:45 from Swindon, Melksham 19:09. Although the speed we're going at the moment I'm not sure whether that's likely either...


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: Mark A on May 28, 2026, 08:39:21
I hope you got... somewhere useful yesterday evening.

Mark


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: JohnM on May 28, 2026, 09:19:54
I hope you got... somewhere useful yesterday evening.
Depends on your definition of 'useful'... :)

Thanks - yes, got to Swindon in plenty of time, and caught the (late running) Taunton service to Chippenham in case the Westbury one was cancelled. It wasn't, although it did run about 10 mins late, so ended up at Melksham at 19:18, 78 mins later than the train I should have been on. It felt like longer :)

Will try the 17:12 Bristol-Oxford again this evening; fingers crossed...


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: JohnM on May 28, 2026, 09:31:53
BTW I think they cleared that broken down freight train fairly promptly; it might have been better to stay at BTM and wait for the next 'normal' Melksham route via Bath instead of hopping on the diverted 17:29. Can't be bothered to check, might not like the answer :)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 28, 2026, 09:34:08
BTW I think they cleared that broken down freight train fairly promptly; it might have been better to stay at BTM and wait for the next 'normal' Melksham route via Bath instead of hopping on the diverted 17:29. Can't be bothered to check, might not like the answer :)

Looking at what happened to the Transwilts service last night, if you'd waited any longer you may well still be travelling now!


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 29, 2026, 01:03:33
Just for the record, but hopefully everyone will be pleased that all the Oxford<>Bristol’s ran again today…as well as all of the services through Melksham!


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 29, 2026, 03:52:08
Just for the record, but hopefully everyone will be pleased that all the Oxford<>Bristol’s ran again today…as well as all of the services through Melksham!

Yes - and thank goodness.  How it should be.

As a separate note, the 20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa via Swindon (2G91) was flagged up as cancelled ... "This service was cancelled due to the planned cancellation (was not planned to operate) (PD)". However, a train 2Z91 ran in its path ... and from my logs looks like that's been the case earlier this week too.  Not an Oxford <-> Bristol issue / even for comparison, so I'll let's comment further (if we want) on the TransWilts log.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on May 29, 2026, 07:42:07
Quote
05:47 Exeter St Davids to Oxford due 08:32

05:47 Exeter St Davids to Oxford due 08:32 has been delayed between Worle and Yatton and is now 10 minutes late.
This is due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing.

Not really any great problem - but a very interesting new working ....


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: JohnM on May 29, 2026, 10:34:15
BTW I think they cleared that broken down freight train fairly promptly; it might have been better to stay at BTM and wait for the next 'normal' Melksham route via Bath instead of hopping on the diverted 17:29. Can't be bothered to check, might not like the answer :)

Looking at what happened to the Transwilts service last night, if you'd waited any longer you may well still be travelling now!
:)

As I was 78 mins late I only claimed for a 60-119 mins delay, 50% of a return ticket, but they've refunded the full £10.25 8)


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on August 12, 2026, 08:55:32
Quote
07:14 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 08:32
09:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 10:11
11:18 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 12:29
13:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 14:15
15:16 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 16:30
17:00 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:18
19:15 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 20:32
21:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 22:12

21:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 22:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

Perhaps an unfair snapshot - but half the service cancelled today.  Yes, journey can be made with a changes at Didcot, but no customer advice to let people know that.   

A number of 9 cars down to 5 cars elsewhere (so THAT's where the 5 car unit has gone!) and that may lead to some overcrowding?


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: ChrisB on August 12, 2026, 09:54:17
THe service is brand new & hence needs no advice that its a change at Didcot today. That's always the case, even if the timings don't work on this 'new' service.


Title: Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
Post by: grahame on August 12, 2026, 10:00:52
THe service is brand new & hence needs no advice that its a change at Didcot today. That's always the case, even if the timings don't work on this 'new' service.

I'm sure that all the tourists making their way between Bath and Oxford (or versa vice) on this service will be fully informed ahead of time and will need no advice.



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