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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2018, 06:11:50 »

DfT» (Department for Transport - about) - Government dept
NR» (Network Rail - home page) -  State owned
ECML (East Coast Main Line) - Sate run franchise..............

...............good advert for Jeremy's re-nationalised railways ............

Hitachi private sector. Lets not forget they are replacing the HST (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) which was a far superior world class product in its day that was in the PUBLIC SECTOR. Thanks to years of neoliberal dogma we've gone from world leader in railway technology to little more than a wealth extraction system for foreign state owned companies.

Not a good advert for the privatised railway. You also forgot to mention the numerous expensive failures of private contractors on the ECML ! In fact if in anyway you think the privatise railways have delivered value for money perhaps you could explain 1) the huge subsidy they get 2) the failure to replace stock in decades in the west (most of which was built by BR (British Rail(ways)) 3) the huge fare increases for a worsening service 4) the rise in customer satisfaction when private contracts fail and they are temporarily renationalised. 5) The continuing inability of the competing private companies to have enough staff to actually run the trains. In BR days more staff could be rostered at shortish notice to take trains out that now sit in depots. 6) Railtrack wasn't exactly a glowing success, which was why it had to be renationalised ! After loosing many of their engineering staff they put retail managers in charge, reduced track maintenance to increase profits, and ended up with an unsafe railway.

Doesn't bode well for May/Mogg/Johnson or whoever is actually running the Tory party, does it !
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2018, 08:46:12 »

DfT» (Department for Transport - about) - Government dept
NR» (Network Rail - home page) -  State owned
ECML (East Coast Main Line) - Sate run franchise..............

...............good advert for Jeremy's re-nationalised railways ............

Hitachi private sector. Lets not forget they are replacing the HST (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) which was a far superior world class product in its day that was in the PUBLIC SECTOR. Thanks to years of neoliberal dogma we've gone from world leader in railway technology to little more than a wealth extraction system for foreign state owned companies.


Perhaps there's a failure to reach expected standards of quality and quantity in an efficient and timeous way no matter what the umbrella structure is.  Perhaps we're looking at two ways and there could be a third that's better? Does the umbrella make much difference / is there ever a way that a way that satisfies everyone will be found?

What a depressing set of thoughts ...
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2018, 12:39:37 »

DfT» (Department for Transport - about) - Government dept
NR» (Network Rail - home page) -  State owned
ECML (East Coast Main Line) - Sate run franchise..............

...............good advert for Jeremy's re-nationalised railways ............

Hitachi private sector. Lets not forget they are replacing the HST (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) which was a far superior world class product in its day that was in the PUBLIC SECTOR. Thanks to years of neoliberal dogma we've gone from world leader in railway technology to little more than a wealth extraction system for foreign state owned companies.

Not a good advert for the privatised railway. You also forgot to mention the numerous expensive failures of private contractors on the ECML ! In fact if in anyway you think the privatise railways have delivered value for money perhaps you could explain 1) the huge subsidy they get 2) the failure to replace stock in decades in the west (most of which was built by BR (British Rail(ways)) 3) the huge fare increases for a worsening service 4) the rise in customer satisfaction when private contracts fail and they are temporarily renationalised. 5) The continuing inability of the competing private companies to have enough staff to actually run the trains. In BR days more staff could be rostered at shortish notice to take trains out that now sit in depots. 6) Railtrack wasn't exactly a glowing success, which was why it had to be renationalised ! After loosing many of their engineering staff they put retail managers in charge, reduced track maintenance to increase profits, and ended up with an unsafe railway.

Doesn't bode well for May/Mogg/Johnson or whoever is actually running the Tory party, does it !

Thank you for putting me right Jeremy..... "neoliberal dogma"- now I do like that one - is that the same as a "capitalist running dog" ?  Grin

Sorry to say, but I am afraid that your post, in response to my lighthearted jest, highlights what is wrong with so much with the UK (United Kingdom) rail system today. Everything is either black or white - Nationalisation will solve all the problems ..........no........privatisation will solve all the problems - and so on and so on.
The root cause of the problem is that the railways will never run at a profit. If you want a railway system then the tax payer will have to subsidize it - either directly, through a grossly inefficient State run bureaucracy, or though a privatised sub-contractor, run by a money grabbing neoliberal.
 I suffered at the hands of a State owned/run railway system for many years, would I want to go back to that ? No thank you. There were some good points about it though, trains would be held to connect with a late running train and the staff (from top to bottom) were professional railwaymen. Perhaps above all, everything was "joined up". In general though, the state of the rolling stock was pretty dire. I still have nightmares about my weekend trips from Plymouth to the IoW and back, in the 1960s. (And the ECML in the 80s !! - thank God for the Boeing 757)
Privatisation - well, passenger traffic has doubled and the trains are much cleaner - so it can't be all bad. Umpteen different TOCs (Train Operating Company) running trains, belonging to someone else, specified by yet someone else, on a network run by yet another company, with the whole thing overseen by the DfT - what a recipe for chaos ! Just how much time/effort/money is wasted in trying to "attribute" delays to the 1030 from Paddington !!!!

There has to be a better way using the best of both systems - perhaps we should lock (say) Richard Branson and Mick Cash in a room and tell them they 'aint coming out to they have come up with some sensible ideas. If only as much time and effort were spent trying to permanently resolve the actual problems as are wasted arguing about whether Jeremy Corbyn or Mark Hopwood should be running GWR (Great Western Railway) or how many guards/drivers/TMs (Train Manager, or Ticket Machine, or Temple Meads (Bristol), depending on context) should be on a train.

Who suffers from all this stupidity ? The poor fare paying passenger (and tax paying non-passenger)..........................
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2018, 13:43:33 »

Pedantry alert.

The Class 800/801 trains for the East Coast franchise (LNER» (London North Eastern Railway - about) this week) are not IETs (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)). Intercity Express Train is a designation used by the Greater Western franchise.

LNER's Class 800/801 trains are called Azuma (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER).
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2018, 13:50:59 »

Pedantry Alert No.2

They are both actually Class 800 Super Express Trains..... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2018, 14:31:31 »

... further pedantry.  Wink

The design name was Hitachi Super Express, a product of Hitachi's A-Train AT300 family. The Class 800/801/802 for GWR (Great Western Railway), LNER» (London North Eastern Railway - about) and TPE (Trans Pennine Express), along with the Class 395s at Southeastern, are all part of the Hitachi AT300 family, a subset of the A-Train product line.

Hitachi Super Express was the manufacturers name given to the Class 80x before they were given different names by operators.

GWR - Intercity Express Train
LNER - Azuma (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER)
TPE - Nova

For reference, the A-Train product line consists of:

AT100 - Metro
AT200 - Commuter
AT300 - Intercity High Speed
AT400 - Very High Speed

With Hitachi depots in London and Bristol, and Hitachi facilities in the South West, along with factories in County Durham and Italy, it'd be no surprise if orders for new regional trains for the Greater Western franchise are awarded to Hitachi for AT100 and AT200 products. Being part of the same product line offers up component and maintenance commonality, and Hitachi now have experience of building a bi-mode product. It'd make sense for the Greater Western's DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) fleet to be replaced by bi-mode AT100/200 products. You have the trains in place to run under wires if there are future electrification extensions in the decades to come. We'll see what the next franchise brings...
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