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« on: October 27, 2023, 05:18:12 »
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V06747/2023-10-28/detailed
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2023, 09:46:59 »
Bristol to Cardiff in 40 minutes. You wonder how much passenger figures would rise if that were a regular say half hourly service.

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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2023, 13:37:03 »
Quote from: Mark A on October 27, 2023, 09:46:59
Bristol to Cardiff in 40 minutes. You wonder how much passenger figures would rise if that were a regular say half hourly service.

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I don't know.   I suspect a regular half hourly service taking 5 minutes longer and promoted as "on the hour and half hour, every hours, getting there in just three quarters of an hour" would ...

... oh, hang on a moment ... what have we already in each hour? ...
12:00 Bristol to Cardiff, arrive 12:45
12:32 Bristol to Cardiff, arrive 13:21

The :00 stops at Filton Abbey Wood and Newport
The :32 stops at Filton Abbey Wood, Patchway, Severn Tunnel Junction and Newport

I'm suspecting an adjustment to make a clockface half hourly service, 47 minutes, 3 calls on the way would be pretty attractive.  That's assuming you have reliability an capacity.  The when the extra stations open between Cardiff and Severn Tunnel, you'll also have a half hourly Cardiff to Severn Tunnel Junction, alternate trains extended to Gloucester and Bristol, all stations.
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2023, 13:56:18 »
Quote from: grahame on October 27, 2023, 13:37:03

I don't know.   I suspect a regular half hourly service taking 5 minutes longer and promoted as "on the hour and half hour, every hours, getting there in just three quarters of an hour" would ...

... oh, hang on a moment ... what have we already in each hour? ...
12:00 Bristol to Cardiff, arrive 12:45
12:32 Bristol to Cardiff, arrive 13:21

The :00 stops at Filton Abbey Wood and Newport
The :32 stops at Filton Abbey Wood, Patchway, Severn Tunnel Junction and


Haha! So we do. *Eats worms*. Apologies, my views on the Bristol to Cardiff timetable coloured by a series of grim experiences with overcrowding on trains whether two carriage or five/timetable disruption/issues with connections at Bristol.

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2023, 14:26:09 »
Technical question,can a five car IET▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) fit into platform zero at cardiff central?
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2023, 05:02:28 »
Well I have yet find the answer to the above question.

Anyway the 12:19pm special to Cardiff was cancelled.

The return special was also cancelled,

the 18:00pm to BTM▸ (Bristol Temple Meads (strictly, it should be BRI) but BTM is a commonly used alternative)) five coach IET▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) was full and standing on departure

ALTHOUGH a special did run departing approx 18:30pm calling Bristol Parkway and BTM
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2023, 06:06:50 »
Quote from: infoman on October 29, 2023, 05:02:28
Well I have yet find the answer to the above question.

IET▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) / platform 0?   Best research I can give you - from http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/wales_western_plannong_rules.pdf the usable length is 99 metres so it would need selective door opening.  Terminating IETs can do so at short platforms - for example the 109 metres at Frome, and as I recall there is s significant length or plain track at Cardiff platform 0 to the east, above / just beside the upper stories of the main station building.  However, I don't know what the signalling section would allow, nor whether this platform has been programmed into IETs. 

It is electrified (I think); I would be concerned at crowd control on the access stairs for a terminating football special.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2023, 10:39:05 »
Cardiff P0 is only to be used by IETs▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) in emergency’ situations.  It’s not in the Selective Door Operation database (P1-4 are the only ones that are).  If it was ever used it would probably be worked via local door operation by the TM▸ (Train Manager, or Ticket Machine, or Temple Meads (Bristol), depending on context).  It is electrified.
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2023, 10:53:49 »
Quote from: IndustryInsider on October 29, 2023, 10:39:05
Cardiff P0 is only to be used by IETs▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) in emergency’ situations.  It’s not in the Selective Door Operation database (P1-4 are the only ones that are).  If it was ever used it would probably be worked via local door operation by the TM▸ (Train Manager, or Ticket Machine, or Temple Meads (Bristol), depending on context).  It is electrified.

The newest TPR▸ (The Pensions Regulator) says: "Can fit up to a 4x23m DMU▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) car only." That's about what can be put in a timetable, but the sectional appendix covers all operations and it says:
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