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« on: August 30, 2010, 20:51:02 »

Can any of our FGW (First Great Western) staff with access to The Manual confirm to me the restriction code for the following:

Thames Branches Day Ranger.
Thames Rover 3 Days.
Thames Rover 7 Days.

I have a .pdf of the Rovers and Rangers information as extracted from NFM06 (yes they are in there, but well hidden apparently!) and I want to see if the information concurs with The Manual now and from 5th September.
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 21:04:52 »

Hey Bignosemac

I have taken this up with fare expert Barry Doe recently!

There is huge conflict regarding the restrictions according to where you look:

If you look on the National Rail Website then the restrictions are different to those found in the NFM (National Fares Manual) and those on the FGW (First Great Western) website.

Barry was going to take this up with ATOC» (Association of Train Operating Companies see - here) to ensure there is some consistency. 

The am restrictions as I read it are the same as for CDR (Off Peak Day Return [ticket type] (formerly 'Cheap Day')).  Likewise there can be no use on long distance trains between Pad and Rdg:
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=2093

Not sure whether this helps or muddies the water  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 21:22:42 »

Precisely why I was asking what the latest entries in The Manual said.

It appears that the public information is contradictory. FGW (First Great Western)'s website lists the bar on evening high-speed services out of Paddington or Reading. National Rail Enquiries makes no mention of the evening bar and NFM (National Fares Manual) 06 gives the restriction code B1.

Restriction : B1
OUTWARD TRAVEL               
By any train except those     
timed to depart Mondays to   
Fridays before 0930           
                             
RETURN TRAVEL                 
By any train
       

Now I know I've brought this up before, but I'm planning a railabout on the FGW network for late October (it would've been an All-Line jolly but I cannot afford it this year) and I want to maximise travel opportunites and minimise cost, without incurring excess fares or UPFNs (Un Paid Fare Notice (used on XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)))), or worst case scenario an MG11 (Form to take a statement for use in court).

So I was kinda hoping that all information sources were saying the same thing on these tickets post 5th September. But it appears not, so it's the fallback position of 'Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts' legislation.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 22:41:39 »

NFM07 does show the correct restrictions.  Has a full list of services in the evening peak when it is NOT valid.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2010, 22:44:27 »

That's the extracted Rovers and Rangers data in NFM07 is it. Or the information from The Manual? Can you provide a screencap?
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