Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 16:15 15 Jun 2025
 
* UK advises against all travel to Israel
* Search after person goes overboard on ferry in Scotland
- Seven people killed in India helicopter crash
* Man hurt after vehicle falls from airport car park
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 18/06/25 - Rail Live 2025
21/06/25 - BRC to Lydney
24/06/25 - GWR Community Rail Conf
26/06/25 - TWNW conference

On this day
15th Jun (2018)
GWR Community Rail conference at Swindon (link)

Train RunningCancelled
13:35 Newquay to London Paddington
13:49 Penzance to Exeter St Davids
14:03 London Paddington to Penzance
15/06/25 14:54 Paignton to London Paddington
15:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads
15:41 Bristol Temple Meads to Salisbury
15:45 London Paddington to Bristol Parkway
16:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington
15/06/25 16:27 Exeter St Davids to Penzance
16:39 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central
16:49 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough
17:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Parkway
17:33 London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa
17:41 Gloucester to Bristol Temple Meads
17:44 Swindon to Salisbury
17:59 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads
18:36 London Paddington to Plymouth
18:38 Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester
18:45 London Paddington to Bristol Parkway
18:55 Bristol Temple Meads to Taunton
19:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Parkway
19:40 Gloucester to Bristol Temple Meads
19:59 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads
20:00 Cheltenham Spa to Swindon
20:16 Taunton to Bristol Temple Meads
20:26 Exeter St Davids to Bristol Temple Meads
20:53 Bristol Temple Meads to Taunton
21:45 London Paddington to Bristol Parkway
21:54 Worcester Shrub Hill to Bristol Temple Meads
Short Run
15:27 Exeter St Davids to Penzance
16:03 London Paddington to Penzance
16:05 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads
16:43 Frome to Swindon
17:08 Exeter St Davids to Penzance
17:13 London Paddington to Swindon
18:40 Bristol Temple Meads to Portsmouth Harbour
18:50 Swindon to London Paddington
19:38 Bristol Temple Meads to Worcester Shrub Hill
21:55 Bristol Parkway to London Paddington
23:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads
Delayed
12:18 Penzance to London Paddington
16:25 Liskeard to Looe
16:29 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough
17:04 Looe to Liskeard
17:55 Liskeard to Looe
18:45 Looe to Liskeard
20:15 Liskeard to Looe
20:49 Looe to Liskeard
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
June 15, 2025, 16:34:30 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[214] Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work...
[146] Weymouth - Westbury cancellations, 14 and 15 June 2025
[56] Storing petrol
[56] European Passengers Federation - 13th and 14th June 2025
[44] Bus Service 205
[30] Gone to the dogs? A look at greyhound racing's future - June 2...
 
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Sodium-ion batteries and battery swapping stations  (Read 373 times)
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 44240



View Profile WWW Email
« on: June 03, 2025, 10:38:34 »

From The BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)

Quote
The sheer number of two-wheelers in Asia paves a promising pathway to achieving economies of scale. In China alone, around 55 million electric two-wheelers were sold in 2023 – nearly six times the number of all pure, hybrid and fuel-cell electric cars combined sold in the country that year – according to Shanghai-based consultancy iResearch.

Scale production was the goal of Yadea. Zhou said at the talk show that the firm was seeking to bring sodium batteries to tens of millions of ordinary commuters by not only fitting them into two-wheelers, but also building a charging ecosystem to enable people to use these models without stress.

To test the waters, in 2024 Yadea began a pilot programme with 150,000 food delivery couriers working in Shenzhen, a mega city of 17.8 million people in southern China, reported Shenzhen News. The goal was to enable them to hand in a spent Yadea sodium-ion batteries at its partners' battery-swapping stations in exchange for a fully charged one within 30 seconds, Yadea said.

The story is about scooters and road vehicles, but I do wonder about local battery trains exchanging a spent cell for a fully charged one in 30 seconds at each intermediate station
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, TravelWatch SouthWest Board Member
Oxonhutch
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 1387



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2025, 11:52:51 »

In my experience, 30 seconds in the railway world is faster than the speed of light
Logged
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 44240



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2025, 06:38:10 »

In my experience, 30 seconds in the railway world is faster than the speed of light

Indeed - a battery change at an intermediate stop that's this quick would be faster that the dropping off and picking up of passengers.    Of course, the need for battery changes quite frequently would mean there's a need for exchanges at places like Devizes Gateway, Somerton/Langport, Wellington and Cullompton.
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, TravelWatch SouthWest Board Member
broadgage
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 5699



View Profile
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2025, 02:27:40 »

I see no need for trains to have frequent battery exchanges, and probably no need for any exchanging of batteries in normal service.
Presently available lithium batteries  can give a battery train a useful range of hundreds of miles, no one is going to adopt the new and relatively untried sodium batteries unless these can give a significant improvement on this range.

Physically swapping batteries sounds like a lot of moving parts and extra failure points.

Fast charging the batteries in situ sounds a lot more sensible, and can be automated. Should be simple and reliable, with sufficient battery capacity so as to permit of at least two consecutive fast charges at stations being missed without any reduction in performance.
Logged

A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules via admin@railcustomer.info. Full legal statement (here).

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page