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« on: February 09, 2012, 00:48:28 »

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Newbury Young People^s Council say it is unfair that 16 to 18-year-olds should have to pay adult prices
 
Newbury Young People^s Council has started a campaign to lower the cost of train fares for teenagers still in full-time education.
The young people^s council say it is unfair that 16 to 18-year-olds should have to pay adult prices for trains tickets, especially following the Government^s change to The Education and Skills Act to ensure young people stay in education or training until they are 18.
Newbury^s young mayor, Cameron Smith, a year 12 pupil at St Bartholomew^s School, blasted First Great Western for taking four months to reply to a letter from the council asking how train operators set ticket prices.
^We believe that making students pay an adult fare at 16 when they have opted to stay in school is unfair and should be changed. Young people need to be supported through school, not punished.
^A lot of young people in Newbury use the train to go to Reading or London but it^s getting to the point where people cannot afford to use trains.
^This is becoming more and more of an issue and puts constraints on household budgets,^ he added.
Fellow young councillor, Amy Graham said: ^Young people can get discounts with a rail card but these are only at off peak times, when you^re travelling to school, college or an apprenticeship placement you are usually travelling at peak times.
^With the law changing to make education compulsory until 18-years-old, train fares need to be reduced.^
At present, First Great Western charge ^4.60 for a single peak time adult ticket from Newbury to Hungerford, whereas a child^s fare is ^2.30.
For a single peak time adult ticket from Newbury to Reading you^ll pay ^7.80, with children paying ^3.80, while a single peak time adult ticket from Newbury to London Paddington is ^25.90, with a child ticket at ^12.95.
First Great Western say it is the Association of Train Operating Companies that set train fares, but the association say train operators have the freedom to charge what they like on some tickets.
A spokesman for the association, Daniel Golding said: ^The are two types of train fares - regulated and unregulated. Regulated fares are things like season tickets which are set by the Government. In January regulated ticket prices increased on average by six per cent.
^Unregulated tickets are not set by the Government but are linked to contracts between the Government and train operators because within these contracts the Government is entitled to annual payments from the train operators.^
The young council has set up a petition asking the Association of Train Operating Companies to change the threshold for adult tickets to 19.
The petition will be available to sign at Newbury train station tomorrow (Friday) between 4-6pm, with campaigners on hand to take any questions.
Tell us what you think by contacting James Williams on (01635) 564533 or emailing james.williams@newburynews.co.uk, or have your say on our online forum.
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 01:25:59 »

In some areas on the UK (United Kingdom) rail network 'scholar' fares/season tickets are offered at reduced rates specifically to address this issue. These are subsidised by the relevant local authority or Local Education Authority. Also, individual education establishments sometimes offer subsidised rail fares with a local agreement with the relevant Train Operating Company.

Maybe this is an area that this campaign group should look at. I don't think there's much mileage in asking ATOC» (Association of Train Operating Companies see - here) to raise the age limit on 'child fares' to 19 just yet. At least not until the compulsory education to 18 becomes law in 2015.
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 10:38:47 »

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The age limit for half price fares should be raised to 190.  That way, everyone is eligible for travel at the same rate.
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Why is there a discount in the first place for people in their young teens?   They take up just as much space / just as many seats ...

P.S. ...
Swindon to London, 72 miles, 28.00 child, 56.00 adult = 77.7p / mile
Newbury to London, 52 miles, 12.95 child, 25.90 adult = 49.8p / mile
But, surely, Newbury to London is not a "commute to school" for too many?

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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 11:07:02 »

I wish I could still get a 16-25 railcard..........
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 11:35:18 »

<advocate type="devil">
The age limit for half price fares should be raised to 190.  That way, everyone is eligible for travel at the same rate.
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Why is there a discount in the first place for people in their young teens?   They take up just as much space / just as many seats ...

P.S. ...
Swindon to London, 72 miles, 28.00 child, 56.00 adult = 77.7p / mile
Newbury to London, 52 miles, 12.95 child, 25.90 adult = 49.8p / mile
But, surely, Newbury to London is not a "commute to school" for too many?



IMO ('in my opinion') a discount for teens is irrelevant because (I would guess) at least 50% travel without a ticket anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 11:40:09 »

IMO ('in my opinion') a discount for teens is irrelevant because (I would guess) at least 50% travel without a ticket anyway.
Sadly very true. It used to make my day when I took the train back from College and RPIs (Revenue Protection Inspector, or Retail Price Index, depending on context) were at Reading Station, waiting at the lift exits...
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 11:42:07 »

IMO ('in my opinion') a discount for teens is irrelevant because (I would guess) at least 50% travel without a ticket anyway.
Sadly very true. It used to make my day when I took the train back from College and RPIs (Revenue Protection Inspector, or Retail Price Index, depending on context) were at Reading Station, waiting at the lift exits...

On a similar line it can be quite entertaining passing through Reading station when the festival is on in August...
just count the police vans waiting to pick up the "sorry mate, didn't know I needed to but a ticket" brigade

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 11:55:12 »

Actually I have a certain amount of sympathy with them, although I believe their campaign should be aimed more towards bus transport than rail.

Just seems wrong to me somehow that pensioners should get free bus travel when they've had their entire working lives to save up for being retired, whereas teenagers, who need to travel to get an education or apprenticeship or to look for work, only get a discount at best.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 15:23:13 »

I do kind of agree, it's not as if you gain many extra rights when you are 16. If anything the child fair should raise to 17, since at least then you have the choice of driving for example, meaning your dependance on the train is likely to reduce.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 21:02:07 »

I have first hand experience of the fact that most "young" people on the Bedwyn-Reading corridor travel free for about 80% of the time! hopefully the Gates going in at Newbury should sort at least some of it!
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 23:24:33 »

I don't think I have been checked on the Reading to Theale (3car train i mean) train after 17:00, since i started commuting in nov 2010
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 06:40:54 »

I don't think I have been checked on the Reading to Theale (3car train i mean) train after 17:00, since i started commuting in nov 2010

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This year on the Thatcham-reading part of my journey I have had my ticket checked once which makes the grand total of 3 times in the lat 12 months.

I was advised there were going to be alt more revenue protection staff operating in the reading area but don't know if that is true and if it is when they will come on stream.

Conversely on the reading gatwick segment I think there have only Ben 3 trips in te last 12 months where my ticket has not been checked and I ravel every working day.

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