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« Reply #165 on: January 23, 2026, 14:12:22 »

At Newton Abbot now. It was lively, but could have been a lot worse!
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« Reply #166 on: January 23, 2026, 14:14:49 »

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William Huskisson MP (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context) was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830.  Many more have died in the same way since then.  Don't take a chance: Stop, Look, Listen.

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« Reply #167 on: January 23, 2026, 14:42:15 »

Not good in salt water!
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« Reply #168 on: January 23, 2026, 15:40:12 »

"Permanent" struggling with the heavy lifting that was assigned to it.

Yes, I too originally thought that 'permanent resiliance' meant the line being able to stay open, but it has been made clear that it meant that it was to make it resiliant to major damage leading to lengthy closures like we saw in 2014.

Temporary closure, in extreme weather like today, will still happen from time to time although the better protection should mean it doesn't happen so often.  Though to counter that the IET (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan))/Voyager fleet's own resiliance is poor as we know due to the roof mounted resistors.

The 'permanent resiliance' is about much more than just the immediate sea wall around Dawlish, with cliff strengthening works and a rock fall shelter to reduce the risk of and danger from landslip/cliff collapse.
BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) news are quoting GWR (Great Western Railway) as saying:
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"Predicted heavy and persistent rain in the south west, combined with gusts of up to 60mph in coastal areas during high tide, represents a significant risk of sea water breaching the Dawlish sea wall, and debris on the railway," it said.

I hope that's not literally true - "breaching" always means making a hole in, which ought not to happen now. So I guess it's someone picking the wrong word, and meaning that some waves will cross the wall and end up on the track.

My understanding of damage mechanism (and I can't locate a source for this) is that, even with the new sea wall, waves toss a lot of water up above the top of the wall. There the wind can hit it hard enough to push it onto the track (and station, and any trains) with some force - like a tennis serve. The weight of water is enough to tear off bits of structures (such as the station) and throw it on the track. The track can also suffer, mainly by ballast being washed out of place.

The waves carry a lot of the beach with them, and this solid stuff can also get thrown at things. That I think is how trains lose windows, more than just the weight of water. I even wonder if the new sea wall, shaped to turn the arriving waves around rather than block them, may not allow more shingle and rocks to be carried with the wave and pushed into the air.

Obviously the amount of serious damage depends critically on the strength of the wind and waves, as well as many other details (directions, timing, etc). So it's hard to judge where Ingrid will come on such a scale.
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« Reply #169 on: January 23, 2026, 17:03:08 »

I'm at home, 3 miles from Tiverton Parkway, and the wind has definitely picked up in the past few minutes from its earlier "rather bad". If I had to go to Torquay today, I would drive. Or more likely leave it.
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« Reply #170 on: January 23, 2026, 17:53:46 »

Tide heights along the south west coast, in the last day or so, are overachieving.

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« Reply #171 on: January 23, 2026, 18:42:58 »

In addition to the tide heights, wave heights https://wavenet.cefas.co.uk/details/229/EXT

The graph data compares Observed to Forecast.
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« Reply #172 on: January 23, 2026, 20:06:39 »

At Newton Abbot now. It was lively, but could have been a lot worse!

Newton Abbot at 6.45pm - blowing a hoolie and RRBs (Rail Replacement Bus) beginning to turn up.  No fault whatsoever to the coordinators and platform staff, but following the unexpected arrival of a RRB from Exeter depositing pax (passengers) for Plymouth and beyond, the initial advice for those was to 'go back to Exeter, get the train to TVP (Tiverton Parkway station, or Thames Valley Police, depending on context) and then the 'fast coach to Plymouth'!

Thankfully, another empty RRB turned up for a 7.30pm departure for Totnes and Plymouth!
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« Reply #173 on: January 23, 2026, 20:32:39 »

I was planning to visit Newquay tomorrow... hey ho.
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« Reply #174 on: January 23, 2026, 20:49:01 »

It's probably rather academic here, as we already have our own Coffee Shop forum news correspondents out there on the ground, so to speak, but here's the view from the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

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Storm Ingrid: Trains cancelled in black alert over storm threat

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A new sea wall was built at Dawlish after the track was destroyed in 2014

Rail passengers are facing a service shutdown on the south coast due to heavy rain and strong winds caused by Storm Ingrid.

Network Rail issued a black alert, the highest warning from 20:30 to 22:30 GMT on Friday, with 12ft (4m) waves expected to hit the sea wall at Dawlish and gusts of up to 60mph (96km/h) expected. It is only the second time a black alert has been issued since a storm destroyed sections of the track around Dawlish in February 2014.

Great Western Railway (GWR (Great Western Railway)) said the line between Exeter St Davids and Newton Abbot would shut between 20:30 on Friday and 14:00 on Saturday, due to "significant risk" of sea water breaching the Dawlish sea wall.

Chris Fuoco, Devon and Cornwall director of Network Rail, said it was "the first time we've had our highest alert" since 2014. He added: "We are just taking every safety precaution we can to make sure everyone is safe. High tide tomorrow is a problem, as well, so we will inspect the line tomorrow before we can reopen it. Mother nature can do some dangerous things to the railway so we have to stay on top of that."

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In Paignton, Torbay, waves crash against the sea wall

A new sea wall was built in Dawlish at a cost of about £80m after the storm in 2014 left the track dangling in the air.

GWR said: "Predicted heavy and persistent rain in the south west, combined with gusts of up to 60mph in coastal areas during high tide, represents a significant risk of sea water breaching the Dawlish sea wall, and debris on the railway."

Train services would run between London Paddington and Exeter St Davids, and Newton Abbot towards Penzance, said GWR. It added replacement coaches were on standby.

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« Reply #175 on: January 23, 2026, 20:55:44 »

Sea: 1, train carriage window: 0.

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« Reply #176 on: January 23, 2026, 21:02:28 »

Bit further West, but basically folks......you're on your own.....

Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Penzance

Due to flooding between Plymouth and Penzance all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

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Muliple severe weather incidents have blocked the line in multiple places.
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Very few trains if any will run

We are struggling to source any replacement road transport - we have fully exhausted the south of England for vehicles for tonight
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« Reply #177 on: January 23, 2026, 21:46:03 »

Sea: 1, train carriage window: 0.

Water with high energy has the ability to entrain remarkably large lumps of stone.

Those boulders in a babbling brook moved only once in a two hundred, or so, year event.
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« Reply #178 on: January 23, 2026, 22:41:00 »

We are struggling to source any replacement road transport - we have fully exhausted the south of England for vehicles for tonight

As well as local coaches from Greenslades, at least one double decker from the Crawley area was in operation at Newton Abbot!
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« Reply #179 on: January 24, 2026, 08:36:02 »

Overnight at West Bay the waves were consistently 5 m and peaking at over 8 metres for a few hours. Winds gusting to 40 knots
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