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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2024, 10:24:22 »

Pedant Alert!

These are not new trains or carriages and it would be really good if the media could be persuaded to stop describing them as such.

I am not convinced by the proposed external decoration but the replacement interiors do look like a major improvement.
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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2024, 11:15:11 »

The forthcoming replacement interiors: are there visuals to be found please?

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« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2024, 17:01:48 »

Some images at https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/xc-voyager-refurbishment.261302/page-15
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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2024, 19:49:39 »

Hmm, 5000k daylight lighting, grey / light grey theme and Corporate Memphis feel to the artwork. Still, indirect lighting though which is good.

Why did rail companies discard the idea of warm calming interiors on trains? This stuff can look very bleak especially when it's dark outside.

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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2024, 23:04:53 »

Safe, reliable, value for money, comfortable, clean. All those are more important for me than interior colour schemes and liveries.

That said, I'd like to see every long distance train in BR (British Rail(ways)) InterCity Swallow livery. Tongue
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« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2024, 04:35:29 »

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The rot set in as Broadgage points out when short rolling stock in the form of Voyagers replaced full length HSTs (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) and the loco hauled sets.

As the forum's spokesman for its minority "we quite like Voyagers" group, could I point out that when they were introduced they were a huge improvement over the tired old mark 2 sets we used to have (I remember the "how many toilets are out of action on today's train" gamble you would take towards the end of their use), avoided the need to run a locomotive around the set at Reading, and in the year after Virgin introduced them it was reported that the "Reading to Birmingham corridor" experienced the largest growth in passenger traffic in the country.

OK, it's a shame they didn't respond by lengthening all sets to 5 car sets in response to the demand, but the switch from locomotive hauled to multiple unit working was not a step back - it was a big one forward, just like the introduction of HSTs 25 years before.

I agree though that XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) is a Cinderella service, and really hope that here on the south-eastern leg we'll be back to the pre-covid hourly direct services to Manchester, Southampton and Newcastle and thereby the twice an hour service to Birmingham. 

Unfortunately you've fallen for an old trick. Run the stock into the ground, stop buying spare parts, cut back on maintenance and the grand launch is made. Look at working air conditioning, toilets, charging points etc. The staff warned the higher management that Operation Cinderella (Pumpkin) wouldn't work and look where we are almost 25 years later. Single units continually rammed to gunnels, toilets that smell and only now are Arriva dipping into someone's pocket for new seats and carpets. Add in the much reduced route map as well, where's Brighton, Swansea and Preston?

And what a coincidence, the HSTs were withdrawn from XC and there was a buyer. I'd never guessed...
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« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2024, 22:02:26 »

It looks like Cross Country are removing first class from their Class 170 Turbostar services (Cardiff-Nottingham and Birmingham-Leicester/Stanstead) From the timetable change on the 15th December.

These trains are due for refurb so may mean the 2+1 seats are replaced with 2+2
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« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2024, 12:19:45 »

Safe, reliable, value for money, comfortable, clean. All those are more important for me than interior colour schemes and liveries.

That said, I'd like to see every long distance train in BR (British Rail(ways)) InterCity Swallow livery. Tongue

Yet good interior design contributes to all five of those qualities. Safe. Reliable. Value for money. Comfortable. Clean.

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« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2024, 20:50:31 »

These trains are due for refurb so may mean the 2+1 seats are replaced with 2+2

Mmmmm ...............and if you replace the existing 2+2 seats with 2+3 seats that gives you 25% more seats (now where have I heard/seen that one before ??)  Gosh, I am getting cynical in my old age.
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« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2024, 04:27:10 »

I have been cynical for many years.
"Providing more seats" sounds good but too often means higher density seating rather than longer trains.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2024, 07:02:58 »

I have been cynical for many years.


Surely not?  Wink
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