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« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2024, 16:17:59 »

Huh? They've said they'll renationalise anyway....so just a few months earlier really isn't a new policy

I thought they said that, as each contract expires, they'd take that TOC (Train Operating Company) into public ownership. So, not quit the same.
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« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2024, 16:27:22 »

Huh? They've said they'll renationalise anyway....so just a few months earlier really isn't a new policy

I thought they said that, as each contract expires, they'd take that TOC (Train Operating Company) into public ownership. So, not quit the same.

You're right, it very much isn't - in this case Labour are suggesting that Avanti may have breached their contract - I am sure m'learned friends will be readying themselves to pour more taxpayers money away on the inevitable legal battle if that comes to pass.
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« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2024, 16:32:02 »

You're wrong I believe - I thought that they'd be letting contract expire & moving the services supplied to Office of Last Resort effectively - leaving the TOC (Train Operating Company) with no contract & therefore no trains to run, TUPEing staff across.

Which is what they'd do if Avanti were in breach of contract....simply terminate the contract but earlier than if it expired. There's no way they'd leave all the staff with Avanti such that they'd be let go....they'd need to TUPE (The Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations 2006. In a railway context, the legislation that protects rail staff when a franchise changes hands.) them to keep the trains running.
 
Rather than actually nationalising the company which would mean compensating the shareholders. No chance the public would agree to that....
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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2026, 21:47:11 »

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

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Avanti West Coast to cut services to save money

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One-in-seven rail services will be cut on Avanti West Coast's busiest routes following a government request to reduce expenditure, the operator has said.

About 38 daily weekday services will be removed from timetables during a six-week period from 20 July. The company usually operates 248 daily services on the affected routes, which connect London Euston with Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester, via the West Coast Main Line.

Avanti West Coast said it had proposed removing some services with lower demand in response to a request from the Department for Transport (DfT» (Department for Transport - about)) to cut costs. A spokesperson for the DfT said: "This will save taxpayers money while still meeting passenger demand for seats."

The spokesperson also said: "The Secretary of State has accepted Avanti's short-term proposals to amend its weekday summer timetable, when passenger numbers are considerably lower and many trains run with large numbers of empty seats."

Avanti West Coast - a joint venture between FirstGroup (70%) and Italian state operator Trenitalia (30%) - predicted the move would cause minimum disruption to passengers and not reduce revenues.

All train services operated under DfT contracts are being transferred to public ownership. But companies such as Avanti West Coast - which has yet to lose its services - have their finances heavily influenced by the DfT.

This is because of contracts introduced in March 2020 at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic.

An Avanti West Coast spokesperson said: "From 20 July to 28 August we will be operating an amended timetable between London and Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester on weekdays.
 To ensure minimal impact to those travelling between the affected dates, these changes will only affect routes on which we operate more than one train per hour - during typically less busy periods of the day - maximising alternative journey options. We'd like to encourage customers planning to make journeys during this time to plan ahead, and thank them for their understanding."

Affected services are being removed from online ticketing services before becoming available for purchase.

Avanti West Coast temporarily slashed its timetables in August 2022 in an attempt to reduce short-notice cancellations after a sharp decline in the number of drivers voluntarily working overtime on rest days during industrial disputes across Britain's railways. It has since boosted its capacity beyond pre-coronavirus levels.

The operator said the latest reduction in services was not because of a lack of resources.

Office of Rail and Road figures show government funding of the rail industry's operations was £11.9bn in the year to the end of March 2025. That was down 7% from £12.7bn during the previous 12 months, but remained 47% above the total of £8.1bn in 2019/20. Last year's spending represented 46% of the industry's costs, with fares revenue funding the vast majority of the rest.

In January 2024, Avanti West Coast apologised after taxpayer funding was described as "free money" during an internal meeting with managers. Novara Media, which first reported the incident, published an image showing a presentation slide with the title: "Roll-up, roll-up -get your free money here!" Another slide explained how train operators are paid bonuses by the government even if services are not run completely to schedule, under the service quality regime.

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« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2026, 08:38:16 »

I don't think this is a major issue.

I use these services every few weeks on business to and from Euston/Manchester and certainly mid morning/afternoon services both ways often seem very quiet and underused - they are very long trains and very frequent from Euston/Manchester (every 20 minutes) so I think a reduction during the holiday period shouldn't create too much hardship, and indeed should save money.
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« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2026, 08:46:24 »

It's early & late services that will take the cuts - an hour to wait rather than 30mins or 20mins....
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