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Author Topic: West Somerset Railway - Bishops Lydeard, near Taunton, to Minehead  (Read 304801 times)
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« Reply #495 on: July 22, 2026, 21:53:40 »


After all, the people of West Somerset have only been waiting 55 years so far

Most of that in traffic!
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« Reply #496 on: July 22, 2026, 22:46:06 »


Not to mention Taunton - Minehead  Wink

After all, the people of West Somerset have only been waiting 55 years so far


One particular resident of Minehead has indeed been remarkably patient. However, I think he takes a much broader view.  Wink Cheesy Grin

CfN▸ (Chris from Nailsea, an administrator on this forum).  Smiley
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« Reply #497 on: July 23, 2026, 19:02:10 »

Questions: Was there ever an additional running line on the north side of the present infrastructure west of Taunton which, if reinstated, would allow WSR▸ (West Somerset Railway - heritage line between Minehead and Bishops Lydeard) services to run to & from the mothballed / abandoned station platform without getting in the way of 'GBR▸ (Great British Railways)' trains.

And if 'Yes' are there any other impediments to reinstatement apart from the obvious cost, the footbridge over Trenchard Way and what looks like signalling cabinets?

Or, if regular Taunton <> Minehead services ever returned would fitting WSR trains with AWS▸ (Automatic Warning System - an arrangement of permanent magnets and electro-magnets that convey information about the associated signal to the train driver) and/or TPWS▸ (Train Protection and Warning System) equipment suffice?
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« Reply #498 on: July 23, 2026, 19:36:43 »

I have 'moved and merged' a few more posts here, as they all relate to this specific topic. Smiley

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« Reply #499 on: July 24, 2026, 10:07:14 »

Questions: Was there ever an additional running line on the north side of the present infrastructure west of Taunton which, if reinstated, would allow WSR▸ (West Somerset Railway - heritage line between Minehead and Bishops Lydeard) services to run to & from the mothballed / abandoned station platform without getting in the way of 'GBR▸ (Great British Railways)' trains.

And if 'Yes' are there any other impediments to reinstatement apart from the obvious cost, the footbridge over Trenchard Way and what looks like signalling cabinets?

Or, if regular Taunton <> Minehead services ever returned would fitting WSR trains with AWS▸ (Automatic Warning System - an arrangement of permanent magnets and electro-magnets that convey information about the associated signal to the train driver) and/or TPWS▸ (Train Protection and Warning System) equipment suffice?

The GWML▸ (Great Western Main Line) between Cogload and Norton Fitzwarren Junction (NFJ) was upgraded in the 1930s to four roads.  The Up and Down Mains, and the Up and Down Reliefs.  So up until the closure of Norton Fitzwarren Junction Signal Box (1969?) there were four lines from there from/to Taunton.  The main lines were in the centre, and the relief lines were on the outside; in line with GW» (Great Western - used as an abbreviation for the area / lines under the Great Western franchise, as opposed to FGW which includes "First", the company operating them too. For tickets - about) practice

After the the closure of NFJ, things changed a bit.  The Down Relief was abolished between Silk Mill and NFJ.  .The Up Relief line between NFJ and Silk Mill became a part of the token-worked single line.  The 'box at Bishops Lydeard was taken out at the same time, so the single line was a long section, from Williton to Silk Mill.

So, when the present WSR came into being, there was a line that could have been used exclusively by WSR trains - the old Up Relief.  The Taunton end would have been in the west-end bay (Platform 8 as was).  The connection at Silk Mill would have been retained, to be used for any through trains and stock moves

The management at BR▸ (British Rail(ways))(WR) Bristol Division wanted a ransom amount of money for the use of this two and a bit miles of track.  They wanted to add part of the signalmen at Silk Mill's wages.  They wanted big money to inspect any rolling stock using the line.  They insisted on all staff being qualified in BR Rules.  It was massively unreasonable, and too much for the penniless, fledgeling company.  So the Up Relief etc got ripped up as part of the 1985 remodelling and resignalling, and signal posts and location cabinets were planted along its length
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« Reply #500 on: July 24, 2026, 10:42:29 »

Questions: Was there ever an additional running line on the north side of the present infrastructure west of Taunton which, if reinstated, would allow WSR▸ (West Somerset Railway - heritage line between Minehead and Bishops Lydeard) services to run to & from the mothballed / abandoned station platform without getting in the way of 'GBR▸ (Great British Railways)' trains.

And if 'Yes' are there any other impediments to reinstatement apart from the obvious cost, the footbridge over Trenchard Way and what looks like signalling cabinets?

Or, if regular Taunton <> Minehead services ever returned would fitting WSR trains with AWS▸ (Automatic Warning System - an arrangement of permanent magnets and electro-magnets that convey information about the associated signal to the train driver) and/or TPWS▸ (Train Protection and Warning System) equipment suffice?

The GWML▸ (Great Western Main Line) between Cogload and Norton Fitzwarren Junction (NFJ) was upgraded in the 1930s to four roads.  The Up and Down Mains, and the Up and Down Reliefs.  So up until the closure of Norton Fitzwarren Junction Signal Box (1969?) there were four lines from there from/to Taunton.  The main lines were in the centre, and the relief lines were on the outside; in line with GW» (Great Western - used as an abbreviation for the area / lines under the Great Western franchise, as opposed to FGW which includes "First", the company operating them too. For tickets - about) practice

After the the closure of NFJ, things changed a bit.  The Down Relief was abolished between Silk Mill and NFJ.  .The Up Relief line between NFJ and Silk Mill became a part of the token-worked single line.  The 'box at Bishops Lydeard was taken out at the same time, so the single line was a long section, from Williton to Silk Mill.

So, when the present WSR came into being, there was a line that could have been used exclusively by WSR trains - the old Up Relief.  The Taunton end would have been in the west-end bay (Platform 8 as was).  The connection at Silk Mill would have been retained, to be used for any through trains and stock moves

The management at BR▸ (British Rail(ways))(WR) Bristol Division wanted a ransom amount of money for the use of this two and a bit miles of track.  They wanted to add part of the signalmen at Silk Mill's wages.  They wanted big money to inspect any rolling stock using the line.  They insisted on all staff being qualified in BR Rules.  It was massively unreasonable, and too much for the penniless, fledgeling company.  So the Up Relief etc got ripped up as part of the 1985 remodelling and resignalling, and signal posts and location cabinets were planted along its length

Thank your for that excellent summary.

I suppose the answer to the question about the current "infrastructure" allowing the (re)laying of a third line depends on what you call "infrastructure".   If your definition include signalling and other cables, then I don't believe there is room any longer for a track where the up relief used to be.  If you define it as purely track work, then, yes, there is room.    I believe we have a similar issue with the 4th platform at Westbury, where the old trackbed, we are told, hides so many vital cables that would cost a 7 figure sum to move ...

I look, sadly back with hindsight, and wonder how different things woful have been if people at formative days had been somewhat more helpful - both in looking for a practical way to work the Minehead line alongside the main line, and for a way for buses and trains to work together rather than the trains being regarded as competition to the buses that risked putting them and their drivers out of business.  But that's another chapter in the same story.
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« Reply #501 on: July 25, 2026, 08:24:27 »

So the answers to my first two original questions are 'Yes' & 'No', since the footbridge could be modified and the signalling cabinets and associated cable runs could be moved out of the way.

In the grand scheme of how the government spends (wastes) our money the cost would be low and significantly less than, say, civil service pensions or paying the salaries of those 'working' in the quangocracy, etc., etc. And it would provide a pretty decent level of societal benefit to an area which seems to be largely ignored by Westminster.
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« Reply #502 on: July 27, 2026, 07:19:29 »

I've noticed since the heatwave tour trains to Kingswear haven't picked up a steam locomotive at Taunton.

Is this because of the fire risk to the trackside. There was a fire near Goodrington on Saturday.

Oddly enough I remember years ago London Underground had a tour train with a preserved LT tank engine and it set fire to a lot of hedges between Upminster and Barking.

Whoops! I've just read the thread below and didn't realise Network Rail has banned them from the mainline. Never been a steam engine or diesel buff.
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« Reply #503 on: September 02, 2026, 14:05:37 »

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