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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2025, 16:18:44 »

That 5 carriage intention, was it being repeated as part of the compensation for axing the Bristol - Waterloo services, during Covid in 2021 too?

(Saying 'During covid' with reference to that time but of course we're fortunate in that the virus doesn't seem to be able to come up with a particularly effective mutation for the time being, the peak towards the end of this year fizzled. (Figures to November for England and regions to be found here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/))

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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2025, 22:53:48 »

I actually wrote to my MP (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context) (which at the time was Michelle Donelan) nearly 3 years ago about short forms and overcrowding on Cardiff-Portsmouth.   After a few weeks got a letter forwarded from Hugh Merriman (then rail minister)

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Great Western Railway (GWR (Great Western Railway)) invariably plans to offer five-car services, made up of a two-car unit and a three-car unit, on the Portsmouth to Cardiff route, and it always does its best to send the full scheduled number of carriages. To help reduce the number of short formations, GWR has recently confirmed plans to bring four-car Class 158 trains onto the Portsmouth to Cardiff route from the May 2023 timetable change. I am sure that you and your constituents will join me in welcoming this move from GWR.

From time to time, it is necessary to short form services rather than cancel the services altogether. GWR and the Department prioritise safety and will not allow excess boarding when a train is full; GWR staff are trained on this and if a train reaches capacity, they will prevent further boarding. This might be through removing station stops, or by refusing to allow customers to join a train. This can cause inconvenience for passengers, but passenger safety must be prioritised. Where this does occur GWR staff do everything they can
to support those inconvenienced passengers.

But as pointed out this was during the covid high subsidy years, now passenger numbers are roughly back to normal (and could argue higher on some sections) should (in logical world) return to full service.   Except of course GWR have been forced to dispose of trains by DfT» (Department for Transport - about) (some 387s, the HSTs (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)), etc).  And the 175s will barely release anything, just a few 158s which might, (or might not) allow all 8 daily diagrams to be 4 or 5 coaches.  Won't be all 5car as GWR does not have 8x5=40 class 158 vehicles (and really with their age need 2 or 3 units spare including one outstationed at Fratton to cover failures), so need more like 45-48 vehicles

It seems Wales has realised there is a problem, and lack of rolling stock for growth, and has recently gone out to tender for upto 3 extra years (April 2026-March 2029) of maintenance of its 158s, rather suggests they are keeping them for time being.

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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2026, 16:32:50 »

Although shortened to just Bristol Parkway to Fareham due to engineering work at both Severn tunnel and Portsmouth area, seem to be struggling to find sufficient units.

1F06 started with 165137, had to be swapped to a 158
1F09 just a 2 coach 158 (158747)
2F12 Bristol-Warminster cancelled due to unit being swapped
1F15 and 1F22 just a single 2 coach 158 (158766)

Roll on getting decent number of 175s in service, so some extra stock can be moved to Bristol area
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2026, 17:13:35 »

It is hard to get accurate figures for many stations on the route.   Looking back to Graham's post a few months back, Warminster is also served by trains to Gloucester.   Those services also call at Bradford-on-Avon alongside those to and from Weymouth.

Based on ticket sales the Cardiff/Portsmouth line as a whole is attracting around 57 to 61,000 passengers a month.    Since the turn of the year it has failed to reach pre-Covid levels.    Easy to speculate on reasons while sitting at a keyboard but are people put off by the prospect of standing?   We saw that in the days of the class 153s on the TransWilts.
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