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Within the UK▸ Rail Forums website I have seen mentions of a 'Project (or Operation) Churchward' - which apparently concerns the wholesale replacement of existing GWR▸ regional rolling stock with a single 'one design fits all' train - but interweb searches produce no other references.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2023, 12:20:05 » |
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Within the UK▸ Rail Forums website I have seen mentions of a 'Project (or Operation) Churchward' - which apparently concerns the wholesale replacement of existing GWR▸ regional rolling stock with a single 'one design fits all' train - but interweb searches produce no other references.
There's a very brief reference to it on page 15 of the GWR Stakeholder briefing of last November on the TWSW» web site: http://travelwatchsouthwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/TWSW-Oct22.pptx |
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2023, 13:46:41 » |
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Stadler FLIRTs please.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2023, 14:15:01 » |
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Within the UK▸ Rail Forums website I have seen mentions of a 'Project (or Operation) Churchward' - which apparently concerns the wholesale replacement of existing GWR▸ regional rolling stock with a single 'one design fits all' train - but interweb searches produce no other references.
Single manufacturer with a 30 years maintain and support contract is the approach DfT» have been taking |
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2023, 14:43:51 » |
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Stadler FLIRTs please.
Indeed. Preferably the tri-mode version. |
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2023, 18:49:45 » |
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Cascade the IETs▸ to regional services, scrapping them is far too expensive.
Build proper inter city trains for the routes presently suffering IETs.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2023, 08:57:29 » |
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Cascade the IETs▸ to regional services, scrapping them is far too expensive.
Build proper inter city trains for the routes presently suffering IETs.
Quoting a member - "oooooooooooooooos gonna pay for it" |
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2023, 11:49:57 » |
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Cascade the IETs▸ to regional services, scrapping them is far too expensive.
Build proper inter city trains for the routes presently suffering IETs.
Quoting a member - "oooooooooooooooos gonna pay for it" Isn’t the point of an investment that you get more money back than you put in? So the question should, perhaps, be - “ooooooooooooooooos gonna pocket the profit” |
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Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2023, 22:50:11 » |
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A few of you may know GWR▸ been looking for ways to replace the entire dmu fleet as well.as possibly emus in the Thames valley.
GWRS MD has been quite vocal about particularly about getting Bristol TM▸ wired to GWR could use a emu fitted with batteries on the Cardiff to Portsmouth hbr service.
Other UK▸ TOCs▸ especially northern and chiltern are struggling to get replacement parts for the BR▸ dmus.
The DFT▸ have now put a tenders out for replacement units including for GWR.
Looks like they are looking at units with 24m carriages for GWR hopefully 5 carriage units for the Portsmouth hbr service.
I doubt very much it would be Hitachi that would get the contract. My money is probably on Alstom or STadler
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2023, 07:38:14 » |
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Presumably "Churchward" after the noted Great Western CME of the opening years of the last century?
He, as one of the great innovative railway engineers would be turning in his grave at the current state of the railway vehicle construction industry in the UK▸ .
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2023, 07:57:39 » |
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Finally some detailed proposals, even if over 5 years away. Here’s hoping for some or all to be provided by Stadler, and for cascades from other operators to help out in the meantime. He, as one of the great innovative railway engineers would be turning in his grave at the current state of the railway vehicle construction industry in the UK▸ .
It’s a lot better than it was ten years ago when there was just Derby. |
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2023, 09:31:07 » |
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Class 75x/23x FLIRTs, Now!
Although why specify 24m per carriage? Surely the main focuses should be the traction package and seating capacity. Stadler FLIRTs of varying lengths and traction types would be, in my opinion, the perfect fleet to order. FLIRTs are already a very flexible, modular design. A 'next gen' update following on from the sucessful Greater Anglia and Transport for Wales fleets would be perfect for the diverse needs of the greater western network. As much commonality as possible would be best for future proofing should there be expansion of electrification. Losing diesel 'power packs' is much better than having to order another new fleet down the *ahem* line.
Edit note: Thread title updated to 'Project Churchward - Future regional fleet for the west' to better describe the topic.
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2023, 09:35:50 » |
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A few of you may know GWR▸ been looking for ways to replace the entire dmu fleet as well.as possibly emus in the Thames valley.
News to me, thanks for the tip. Yes, the unrefurbished Turbos▸ are looking very tired these days and the Welsh FLIRTS look very nice. Any idea on whether that might include closing St Philip's Marsh and building a new depot somewhere else? Seems very quiet these days. My presumption was/is that an unvoiced objective of the Temple Meads roof project is to have a solid structure to which electrification hardware can be fixed and that once they were reasonably far along, they'd pass the 3D models to electrification designers and propose wiring to Parkway as 'the thin end of the wedge'. |
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2023, 21:28:49 » |
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Some big decisions needed on electrification here. Surely, we can't have yet another stop-gap fleet of anything still needing diesel?
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2023, 23:50:20 » |
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I've heard talk of wires to Bristol TM▸ via both Filton and Bath along with wires to Swansea.
A tri-mode 5 carriage unit be ideal for Cardiff to Portsmouth hbr and even Cardiff to penzance. Heard other electric islands were being looked at
I heard they were trying to get wires from Swindon to Severn tunnel junction and Westerleigh jct too.
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