Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion

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[GBM]

2C00 0533 Plymouth to Bodmin Parkway
 This service is partially cancelled
This service was cancelled between Bodmin Parkway and Penzance due to a problem with the train (M8).
175111 had a hiccup and arrived at Bodmin 39 down.
How sulk

Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Penzance
Following a fault on a train between Plymouth and Penzance the line towards Penzance has now reopened.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:45 11/08.ing in Down Lostwithiel Goods Loop

[RailCornwall]

Hourly service only TRU - FAL on Thu 13 Aug 2026 due heat related weather disruption.

[GBM]

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
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What has happened?
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One of the trains that operates the Truro to Falmouth Docks service has developed a fault that needs mechanical attention. We do have another train that is operating the service, which means we can only operate half of the service for the rest of today.
If you are wanting to travel to Falmouth, please check your journey and if there is not a service, we recommend take a local bus, where your ticket can be used at no extra cost.

[grahame]

I make it that GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) are at least 4 serviceable trains down today. A sample from each diagram

18:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 20:30
18:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 20:30 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

16:23 Okehampton to Exeter Central due 17:07
16:23 Okehampton to Exeter Central due 17:07 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

16:20 Truro to Falmouth Docks due 16:44
16:20 Truro to Falmouth Docks due 16:44 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

15:15 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:18
15:15 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:18 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

07:19 Paignton to Exmouth due 08:49
07:19 Paignton to Exmouth due 08:49 has been cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

There are some crew shortages cancelling trains Exeter <-> Penzance, and something under investigation on the Severn Beach lie with trains turning round at Clifton Down for - according to Journey check - for most of the rest of the day.

[TaplowGreen]

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
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What has happened?
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One of the trains that operates the Truro to Falmouth Docks service has developed a fault that needs mechanical attention. We do have another train that is operating the service, which means we can only operate half of the service for the rest of today.
If you are wanting to travel to Falmouth, please check your journey and if there is not a service, we recommend take a local bus, where your ticket can be used at no extra cost.

Same again today......

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

.......one of the options on offer is "Consider postponing your journey until our service returns to normal" - extremely helpful - if anyone has a crystal ball handy!

[TonyN]

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
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What has happened?
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One of the trains that operates the Truro to Falmouth Docks service has developed a fault that needs mechanical attention. We do have another train that is operating the service, which means we can only operate half of the service for the rest of today.
If you are wanting to travel to Falmouth, please check your journey and if there is not a service, we recommend take a local bus, where your ticket can be used at no extra cost.

Same again today......

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

.......one of the options on offer is "Consider postponing your journey until our service returns to normal" - extremely helpful - if anyone has a crystal ball handy!

Use the ferry from Malpas to Falmouth its more reliable.

[REVUpminster]

175003 has been entrusted with Newquay today. It is the most reliable train.

On Thursday it completed its full passenger diagram starting at 0655 Exeter and finishing there at 2237.
Also running backwards and forwards between Exeter and Plymouth was 175006+175115 completing 500 miles with no incidents. It wasn't in passenger service just mileage accumulation.

At Exeter it coupled up with 175003 in a 2+3+2 and returned to Laira as 5P28. The first 7 car formation.

It was planned to repeat it on Friday but cancelled due to staff shortages.

[TaplowGreen]

Those 175s are great aren't they? Presume they are supposed to be running these?

All cancelled.

10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
13:14 Penzance to Plymouth due 15:10
13:39 Plymouth to Penzance due 15:40
15:52 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:47
Thu, 27 August 10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
Thu, 27 August 13:14 Penzance to Plymouth due 15:10
Thu, 27 August 13:39 Plymouth to Penzance due 15:40
Thu, 27 August 15:52 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:47
Fri, 28 August 10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
Fri, 28 August 13:14 Penzance to Plymouth due 15:10
Fri, 28 August 13:39 Plymouth to Penzance due 15:40
Fri, 28 August 15:52 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:47

[REVUpminster]

Those 175s are great aren't they? Presume they are supposed to be running these?

All cancelled.

10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
13:14 Penzance to Plymouth due 15:10
13:39 Plymouth to Penzance due 15:40
15:52 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:47
Thu, 27 August 10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
Thu, 27 August 13:14 Penzance to Plymouth due 15:10
Thu, 27 August 13:39 Plymouth to Penzance due 15:40
Thu, 27 August 15:52 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:47
Fri, 28 August 10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
Fri, 28 August 13:14 Penzance to Plymouth due 15:10
Fri, 28 August 13:39 Plymouth to Penzance due 15:40
Fri, 28 August 15:52 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:47

Should be. Two 175s out today 002 started it's mileage accumulation doing Exeter-Paignton-Exeter then ended up in Exeter depot.

113 is doing mileage accumulation between Plymouth and Penzance.

There is still one 2 car and eight 3 car at Wolverton that when they arrive at Laira will be service ready according to Mark Hopgood. Nothing has come out of Wolverton since the 23 June.

[old original]

Those 175s are great aren't they? Presume they are supposed to be running these?

All cancelled.

10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
13:14 Penzance to Plymouth due 15:10
13:39 Plymouth to Penzance due 15:40
15:52 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:47
Thu, 27 August 10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
Thu, 27 August 13:14 Penzance to Plymouth due 15:10
Thu, 27 August 13:39 Plymouth to Penzance due 15:40
Thu, 27 August 15:52 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:47
Fri, 28 August 10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
Fri, 28 August 13:14 Penzance to Plymouth due 15:10
Fri, 28 August 13:39 Plymouth to Penzance due 15:40
Fri, 28 August 15:52 Penzance to Plymouth due 17:47

most of these haven't run for weeks

[TaplowGreen]

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks

Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run on the line.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 17:00 08/09.
Customer Advice
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What has happened?
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One of the train that runs between Truro and Falmouth has developed a fault. The service between Truro and Falmouth has been reduced to an hourly service.

[grahame]

From the BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)

Campaigners say the cancellation of five weekday services between Penzance in Cornwall and Plymouth or Exeter in Devon has been "the least bad choice" for operator GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) to get on top of reliability problems with its newer Class 175 fleet locally.

Roger Blake, national director at campaigning group Railfuture, said temporary cancellations from Monday were "an unfortunate step back in order to then, we hope, take a couple of steps forward".

The trains, previously been used by Transport for Wales, were in storage for two years before GWR started using them in May.

Timetable changes were scheduled to run until 11 December, but GWR said it hoped to bring the trains back before that if possible.

Agreed that it's probably the least bad choice in the short term.   But it feel like (another?) case of over-optimism that has gone wrong, with the old trains withdrawn before the "new" ones are working properly.  And/or a case of taking on an increased service before properly prepared for it - it wasn't so many years ago that the Cornish Main Line had hour gaps anyway.

The word "hope" is used twice.   Nice stuff is hope.  I hope it happens 

[TaplowGreen]

From the BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)

Campaigners say the cancellation of five weekday services between Penzance in Cornwall and Plymouth or Exeter in Devon has been "the least bad choice" for operator GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) to get on top of reliability problems with its newer Class 175 fleet locally.

Roger Blake, national director at campaigning group Railfuture, said temporary cancellations from Monday were "an unfortunate step back in order to then, we hope, take a couple of steps forward".

The trains, previously been used by Transport for Wales, were in storage for two years before GWR started using them in May.

Timetable changes were scheduled to run until 11 December, but GWR said it hoped to bring the trains back before that if possible.

Agreed that it's probably the least bad choice in the short term.   But it feel like (another?) case of over-optimism that has gone wrong, with the old trains withdrawn before the "new" ones are working properly.  And/or a case of taking on an increased service before properly prepared for it - it wasn't so many years ago that the Cornish Main Line had hour gaps anyway.

The word "hope" is used twice.   Nice stuff is hope.  I hope it happens 

...................and of course by 11 December it will no longer be GWR's problem, as they will no longer exist.

[grahame]

The subject line is "delays" but this is more fully fledged cancellations ... not enough working trains ... samples which indicate at least 4 trains short.

09:01 Severn Beach to Bristol Temple Meads due 09:45
09:01 Severn Beach to Bristol Temple Meads due 09:45 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12
10:14 Plymouth to Penzance due 12:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

10:45 Truro to Falmouth Docks due 11:09
10:45 Truro to Falmouth Docks due 11:09 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

10:24 Okehampton to Exeter Central due 11:08
10:24 Okehampton to Exeter Central due 11:08 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

[IndustryInsider]

...................and of course by 11 December it will no longer be GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway)'s problem, as they will no longer exist.

Well, it’ll no longer be First Group’s problem (from 13th December) - the GWR brand will carry on for a little while at least, and it’ll be the pretty much the same group of people trying to address the problem.

Most importantly, the average passenger won’t know/care about the changes in December anyway.