Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)

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[Richard Fairhurst]

This hasn't aged very well.

A bit like the 175s...

[stuving]

5Z13 shows 175011 allocated from Par, and RTT^» (Real Time Trains - website) has reports of it from Par to (so far) St Germans. How it got to Par, and why it's not showing on Traksy, is another matter.

It has just popped up at Wivelscombe on Traksy. But how it's already got past Saltash on camera, I have no idea.

Just to tidy up, and correct my mistakes:
-  REVUpminster's webcam of 175011picture was on 5Z33, 1100 Plymouth-Par, coming off the bridge at 11:13.
- so that answers my question about how it got to Par
- it was also seen in the Saltash webcam on 5Z13 at 12:51, on the way back to Plymouth (arr. 1259).

Which leaves outstanding the question of when it first got back from its enforced holiday at Liskeard to Plymouth. If I had to guess (which I don't, obviously) I'd say it was coupled to 175007, but not mentioned in despatches.

[REVUpminster]

5Z13 shows 175011 allocated from Par, and RTT^» (Real Time Trains - website) has reports of it from Par to (so far) St Germans. How it got to Par, and why it's not showing on Traksy, is another matter.

It has just popped up at Wivelscombe on Traksy. But how it's already got past Saltash on camera, I have no idea.

Just to tidy up, and correct my mistakes:
-  REVUpminster's webcam of 175011picture was on 5Z33, 1100 Plymouth-Par, coming off the bridge at 11:13.
- so that answers my question about how it got to Par
- it was also seen in the Saltash webcam on 5Z13 at 12:51, on the way back to Plymouth (arr. 1259).

Which leaves outstanding the question of when it first got back from its enforced holiday at Liskeard to Plymouth. If I had to guess (which I don't, obviously) I'd say it was coupled to 175007, but not mentioned in despatches.

or did come back with 175002 and not mentioned.
An interesting signal problem is how. On London Underground signalling; as the points cannot be guaranteed, because a train is occupying the approach section, to be locked they would have to be scotched and clipped and hand signalled into the platform or the trains moved towards Liskard past signal LD20, the points on the branch scotched and clipped then the normal signal interlocking can take effect and the trains moved onto the main line.

[REVUpminster]

Ely Mif 6:  175005/008, 175103/104/105/109 (175008 is in two halves)

Wolverton : 10 : 175004, 175102/106/107/108/110/111/113/115/116

Laira : 10:  175002/007/009, 175114; 175001/003/006/011, 175101/112 are refurbished

Long Rock : 1 : 175010

175002 and 175114 have been at Laira over a year.

175112 arrived at Laira from Wolverton today about 87 minutes early.

Updated 20 February 2026. I have had to correct a previous post but I think this is right.

175001+175007 are doing the Plymouth-Penzance-Plymouth run today together.

[a-driver]

5Z13 shows 175011 allocated from Par, and RTT^» (Real Time Trains - website) has reports of it from Par to (so far) St Germans. How it got to Par, and why it's not showing on Traksy, is another matter.

It has just popped up at Wivelscombe on Traksy. But how it's already got past Saltash on camera, I have no idea.

Just to tidy up, and correct my mistakes:
-  REVUpminster's webcam of 175011picture was on 5Z33, 1100 Plymouth-Par, coming off the bridge at 11:13.
- so that answers my question about how it got to Par
- it was also seen in the Saltash webcam on 5Z13 at 12:51, on the way back to Plymouth (arr. 1259).

Which leaves outstanding the question of when it first got back from its enforced holiday at Liskeard to Plymouth. If I had to guess (which I don't, obviously) I'd say it was coupled to 175007, but not mentioned in despatches.

or did come back with 175002 and not mentioned.
An interesting signal problem is how. On London Underground signalling; as the points cannot be guaranteed, because a train is occupying the approach section, to be locked they would have to be scotched and clipped and hand signalled into the platform or the trains moved towards Liskard past signal LD20, the points on the branch scotched and clipped then the normal signal interlocking can take effect and the trains moved onto the main line.

All fully signalled with shunt signals. No need for anything to be clipped and scotched.

[REVUpminster]

5Z13 shows 175011 allocated from Par, and RTT^» (Real Time Trains - website) has reports of it from Par to (so far) St Germans. How it got to Par, and why it's not showing on Traksy, is another matter.

It has just popped up at Wivelscombe on Traksy. But how it's already got past Saltash on camera, I have no idea.

Just to tidy up, and correct my mistakes:
-  REVUpminster's webcam of 175011picture was on 5Z33, 1100 Plymouth-Par, coming off the bridge at 11:13.
- so that answers my question about how it got to Par
- it was also seen in the Saltash webcam on 5Z13 at 12:51, on the way back to Plymouth (arr. 1259).

Which leaves outstanding the question of when it first got back from its enforced holiday at Liskeard to Plymouth. If I had to guess (which I don't, obviously) I'd say it was coupled to 175007, but not mentioned in despatches.

or did come back with 175002 and not mentioned.
An interesting signal problem is how. On London Underground signalling; as the points cannot be guaranteed, because a train is occupying the approach section, to be locked they would have to be scotched and clipped and hand signalled into the platform or the trains moved towards Liskard past signal LD20, the points on the branch scotched and clipped then the normal signal interlocking can take effect and the trains moved onto the main line.

All fully signalled with shunt signals. No need for anything to be clipped and scotched.

If fully signalled with shunt signals the points would be mechanically locked and presumably electronically locked and you would not be able to change the points on the main line. On the undergound as some who might have to do it we were taught to say scotched and clipped as the scotch goes in first in case the points move as you try to put the clip on. The trainer would also say don't put the clip on over the rail. It's been done!

[a-driver]

5Z13 shows 175011 allocated from Par, and RTT^» (Real Time Trains - website) has reports of it from Par to (so far) St Germans. How it got to Par, and why it's not showing on Traksy, is another matter.

It has just popped up at Wivelscombe on Traksy. But how it's already got past Saltash on camera, I have no idea.

Just to tidy up, and correct my mistakes:
-  REVUpminster's webcam of 175011picture was on 5Z33, 1100 Plymouth-Par, coming off the bridge at 11:13.
- so that answers my question about how it got to Par
- it was also seen in the Saltash webcam on 5Z13 at 12:51, on the way back to Plymouth (arr. 1259).

Which leaves outstanding the question of when it first got back from its enforced holiday at Liskeard to Plymouth. If I had to guess (which I don't, obviously) I'd say it was coupled to 175007, but not mentioned in despatches.

or did come back with 175002 and not mentioned.
An interesting signal problem is how. On London Underground signalling; as the points cannot be guaranteed, because a train is occupying the approach section, to be locked they would have to be scotched and clipped and hand signalled into the platform or the trains moved towards Liskard past signal LD20, the points on the branch scotched and clipped then the normal signal interlocking can take effect and the trains moved onto the main line.

All fully signalled with shunt signals. No need for anything to be clipped and scotched.

If fully signalled with shunt signals the points would be mechanically locked and presumably electronically locked and you would not be able to change the points on the main line.
On the undergound as some who might have to do it we were taught to say scotched and clipped as the scotch goes in first in case the points move as you try to put the clip on. The trainer would also say don't put the clip on over the rail. It's been done!

I'm not quite sure I get you! 
if you go from Liskeard platform on the mainline towards the branch, you'd be signalled by a shunt signal - LD17.  Speed is 5mph.  Once the train drops in clear of LD20 on the branch, LD17 can be returned to danger and the points on the mainline can be returned to normal - mainline route.
Coming off the branch, the points will be reversed and LD20 can then be cleared in to the platform as far as LD11 which is Penzance end of the platform. 

If you were to use another unit to rescue the failed sets, you could still clear LD17 from the platform but because you will not drop in clear of LD20 you would need authorisation from the signaller to change direction and return to the platform.  The points would remain locked in position. 
The only time you wouldn't potentially need to clip and scotch the points is if the move was a passenger carrying move.

[plymothian]

In other news 175002 visited Newquay yesterday.

[REVUpminster]

In other news 175002 visited Newquay yesterday.

And it's due to do so again today. 175001+175007 again working in tandem as well.

It's also reported the three units came out of Laira together although not supported by Realtime trains and were meant to go back together this evening although it did not seem to happen yesterday when both trains ended alongside each other in platform 7 and 8.

[plymothian]

There are issues coupling more than 2 units together, therefore VSTP^▸ (Very Short Term Plan timetable - which comes into play during disruption / last minute changes) diagrams are splitting the moves to/from Laira into 2 separate ones, 5Z10 and 5Z11 this morning.

[TaplowGreen]

07:12 Plymouth to Penzance due 09:19
09:50 Penzance to Plymouth due 11:47
12:18 Plymouth to Penzance due 14:14
14:50 Penzance to Plymouth due 16:45
17:00 Plymouth to Liskeard due 17:37

All cancelled due to "more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" - more problems with these "new" trains?

[GBM]

07:12 Plymouth to Penzance due 09:19
09:50 Penzance to Plymouth due 11:47
12:18 Plymouth to Penzance due 14:14
14:50 Penzance to Plymouth due 16:45
17:00 Plymouth to Liskeard due 17:37

All cancelled due to "more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" - more problems with these "new" trains?

RTT^» (Real Time Trains - website) not showing a 175, but 150'type.

[grahame]

All cancelled due to "more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" - more problems with these "new" trains?

With Barnstaple, Okehampton and Exmouth all running again ... and I suspect this week that in these days of specialisation there are trains in Plymouth that need to get to Exeter for repair but can't because the line from Totnes to Plymouth is closed for engineering works, and the old alternative from Bere Alston to Okehampton has been closed for much longer.

[IndustryInsider]

07:12 Plymouth to Penzance due 09:19
09:50 Penzance to Plymouth due 11:47
12:18 Plymouth to Penzance due 14:14
14:50 Penzance to Plymouth due 16:45
17:00 Plymouth to Liskeard due 17:37

All cancelled due to "more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" - more problems with these "new" trains?

Booked for a 4-car Class 150.

Another spin of the famous JourneyCheck 'AM reality is PM fantasy' wheel - with the last three all now reinstated...using a 2-car 150.

[bobm]

Same with the 10:56 from Chippenham to London Paddington this morning.  Journeycheck suggested it was a 5 car rather than a 9.   I was in coach H.