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« Reply #600 on: September 28, 2025, 09:58:14 »

08:27 Plymouth to London Paddington due 12:06

08:27 Plymouth to London Paddington due 12:06 will be diverted between Westbury and Reading.
It will no longer call at Pewsey and Newbury but will call additionally at Trowbridge, Melksham and Chippenham.
It will be delayed due to the diversion and is expected to be 8 minutes late.
This is due to engineering works not being finished on time.

Melksham at 1053

Excellent use of new ability to stop IETs (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) at Melksham where local trains are culled.
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« Reply #601 on: September 28, 2025, 10:27:58 »

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« Reply #602 on: September 28, 2025, 17:45:01 »

From the Gazette and Herald

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The line between Westbury and Bedwyn is closed at the time of writing on Sunday, September 28, after engineering works failed to finish on time.

The line is expected to reopen at around 11.30am, but passengers have faced delays and diversions on services to and from London Paddington during the morning, with trains unable to stop at Pewsey.

A spokesperson for Great Western Railway (GWR (Great Western Railway)) said: “Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Westbury and Bedwyn the line is closed.

Looking at real time trains - which does not report the extra stops - the diverted trains were "only" delayed by between 10 and 20 minutes, with the 10 minute one - I suspect - being the long distance one that did not make extra calls.  I would agree that passengers to / from the city of Pewsey will have faced serious delays, but otherwise I suggest a job well done and indeed far better that German (DB» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about)) current daily standards.
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« Reply #603 on: September 28, 2025, 20:42:37 »

Normally when trains with a Pewsey call are diverted they make an extra stop at Swindon for road replacement. 

However with capacity at the front of Swindon station already tied up with both the all stations and fast coach services covering the Gloucester line closure there may not have been room.  Also with those services being provided it may not have been possible to find additional vehicles at short notice on a Sunday morning.

As for Pewsey becoming Wiltshire’s second city…..
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« Reply #604 on: September 28, 2025, 20:58:37 »

However with capacity at the front of Swindon station already tied up with both the all stations and fast coach services covering the Gloucester line closure there may not have been room. ...

I walked up to the Bus Boulevard from Swindon Station yesterday - and I would judge there would have been plenty of space for - err - all the replacement services. Just a bit far from the station
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« Reply #605 on: September 28, 2025, 21:32:31 »

Issue there is space is not being allocated to regular coaches, so ad hoc rail replacement is unlikely to be entertained.
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« Reply #606 on: September 28, 2025, 22:09:08 »

Issue there is space is not being allocated to regular coaches, so ad hoc rail replacement is unlikely to be entertained.

"unlikey ... " Not so sure, Bob; watch how things settle.
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« Reply #607 on: September 29, 2025, 06:55:40 »

Because of its location on the Berks and Hants, Pewsey really suffers at times of disruption or engineering work on any part of the B&H (Berks and Hants - railway line from Reading to Taunton via Westbury). A close second to Melksham I’d say. I guess if you are a regular user of Pewsey, you have a strong plan B in your back pocket.
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« Reply #608 on: September 29, 2025, 07:48:07 »

Issue there is space is not being allocated to regular coaches, so ad hoc rail replacement is unlikely to be entertained.

"unlikey ... " Not so sure, Bob; watch how things settle.

That was the council’s position the weekend it opened but a day is a long time in politics it seems. 
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« Reply #609 on: September 29, 2025, 07:52:05 »

Because of its location on the Berks and Hants, Pewsey really suffers at times of disruption or engineering work on any part of the B&H (Berks and Hants - railway line from Reading to Taunton via Westbury). A close second to Melksham I’d say. I guess if you are a regular user of Pewsey, you have a strong plan B in your back pocket.

Chippenham also suffers from isolation.  You can divert to reach Bath or Swindon.  But there is no long distance alternative for Chippenham.   Very occasionally there has been a shuttle along the single line but for travelling east or west is unlikely to be helpful.
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« Reply #610 on: September 29, 2025, 09:11:06 »

Because of its location on the Berks and Hants, Pewsey really suffers at times of disruption or engineering work on any part of the B&H (Berks and Hants - railway line from Reading to Taunton via Westbury). A close second to Melksham I’d say. I guess if you are a regular user of Pewsey, you have a strong plan B in your back pocket.

Putting numbers on it - last 12 weeks from ontimetrains where I was doing a study on Saturday in preparation for a "please give us a level playing field" plea to our MP (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context), Transport Focus, etc ...

Melksham cancellation rate - 11%
Pewsey cancellation rate - 3%

Having said which, Pewsey has a far worse result if you look at trains being on time or close to it with only 74% running less than 10 minutes late, as opposed to 84% running within 10 minutes of timetable at Melksham.   With over a half of journeys made from Pewsey being to London ( https://firstgreatwestern.info/PEW.html ), you could argue that these longer delays are somewhat less of an issue. Ten minutes late on a journey of over an hour perhaps isn't as much of a problem as 10 minutes late would be on a journey of 20 to 25 minutes.
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« Reply #611 on: October 03, 2025, 21:22:04 »

21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58
21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58 will be cancelled.
This is due to a power cut at the station.

22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12
22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to a power cut at the station.
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« Reply #612 on: October 03, 2025, 21:26:10 »

21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58
21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58 will be cancelled.
This is due to a power cut at the station.

22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12
22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to a power cut at the station.

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http://20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 21:46

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 21:46 has been cancelled.
This is due to a power cut at the station.


I would - guess - that "the station" is Westbury

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Cancellations to services between Bath Spa and Westbury
Due to a fault with the signalling system at Westbury all lines are closed. Disruption is expected until 21:45 03/10.
Train services between Bath Spa and Westbury may be cancelled or delayed.
Customer Advice
Due to a loss of signalling at Westbury, we are currently unable to run between Westbury and Bath Spa. We are in regular contact with Network Rail, who control the signals, and are updating us with the situation.
We have not been able to obtain any meaningful road transport at any of the affected stations. We understand customers are being heavily delayed at the moment awaiting train movement. The problem is being fixed as a matter of high priority and we are hopeful trains will start moving again soon.
Customers at Bristol Temple Meads travelling to Southampton Central can travel to Reading o a London Paddington bound service and change to a Cross Country train towards Southampton Central and Bournemouth.
CrossCountry are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
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« Reply #613 on: October 04, 2025, 04:41:52 »

07:45 Westbury to Swindon due 08:28
07:45 Westbury to Swindon due 08:28 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system

08:44 Swindon to Westbury due 09:25
08:44 Swindon to Westbury due 09:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

09:52 Westbury to Swindon due 10:36
09:52 Westbury to Swindon due 10:36 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system

11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:48
11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:48 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system
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« Reply #614 on: October 04, 2025, 05:44:39 »

07:45 Westbury to Swindon due 08:28
07:45 Westbury to Swindon due 08:28 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system

08:44 Swindon to Westbury due 09:25
08:44 Swindon to Westbury due 09:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

09:52 Westbury to Swindon due 10:36
09:52 Westbury to Swindon due 10:36 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system

11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:48
11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:48 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system

There goes my day trip to Southampton.

I do not personally mind - in fact it gives me the opportunity to write up a "snottygram" to GWR (Great Western Railway), escalating to the senior managers there, to Transport Focus, to our MP (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context), and to the Secretary of State for Transport about the appalling ongoing record of the (lack of) train service on this line.  I understand that things go wrong from time to time - but not to the extent of loosing 1 train in 9 which has happened for the last 12 weeks (as part to an ongoing saga).  On a "Jazz service" as it used to be called - with a train every 20 minutes -  cancellation of 1 in 9 and a wait for half an hour sometimes is no big deal.  Where it's successive services with a train every 120 minutes, it's a failure to provide a useable train service.  It hurts the users (or, rather, the wannabe users) and it hurts the economy of the are it (fails to) serve.  My train in not leaving at 08:02 today (a late start for a train service anyway) - if I were to carry on with my plans, it would leave at 12:33.

It's normally regarded as good business practice to provide an alternative for your customers.  What are GWR offering?

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If you arrive at your destination 15 or more minutes late because your GWR train was delayed or cancelled, you can claim Delay Repay compensation. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay

Money back.   I don't want my money back.  I want the product you are contracted to provide and if you cannot provide that product, an alternative that delivers what I want.    I am due into Southampton Airport at 10:35.  Being there at 14:35 is no good.    In the olden days, a signalling failure (today's reason) would result in a pilotman being provided to take the train safely through.  In more recent times, a reil replacement bus would be provided.   You are not doing so (or if you are or plan to, you are not telling us about it).     You might also have provided advice about tickets and travel being accepted on local buses, and details of them.   You haven't done that.   You are not looking after your customers.

Yesterday, I attended an online meeting with GWR on timetabling across their central area.  We were told, and agreed, that it was a confidential session and I am not at liberty to disclose here in public the content.  I am, however, at my wit's end and I will disclose that GWR's [name redacted] described their performance over the Bristol travel-to-work area this summer as "Pretty good".    And when I raised the issue of the services to, from and though Melksham the meeting chair asked that we take the discussion offline and have a separate meeting; he told us his MD would be concerned, and he had no answer when I pointed out that such a meeting had been previously promised but not followed up on, and that in any case people need trains  (or buses) to travel on, and an apology and repayment doesn't get them to where they need to go.   The timetable planning lady was talking about the timetable from December, and I asked her what plans were being made for the timetable to be realistic and not a work of hope and fiction, and the question was not answered.

I am not looking for perfection.  Far from it.  I am just asking at this stage for a level playing field. I looked at the last 12 weeks and find 11% cancellation and compared it to Yatton - a station chosen at random because I'm going there in a fortnight.   They have had 4% cancellation - 1 train in 25 not 1 in 9 - and that on a service that runs every 30 minutes.  I look at their weekend record and it's 7% cancellation - that's 1 train in 14, compared to the "horrendous" - not my word but from an industry contact off the record 33% weekend cancellation here in Melksham - 1 train in 3.

All I am asking for at this stage is a level playing field on reliability - that cancellation rates at Melksham are fair and square with cancellation rates across the Bristol travel-to-work area.  I am not even asking for a timetable appropriate for our town of one train each way every hour for our town (population 25,000) which is bettered at every other town around; that can (and should) come later.  Please, GWR and your masters, and colleagues in Network Rail, in HMG and in the rail unions, provide us with a level playing field on delivering published performance.

P.S.  Things will always go wrong from time to time.  Please do not answer the base issue of general lack of reliability which has been hurting all day on many, many days with an explanation of what is wrong today.  Please answer with solutions that address the ongoing issues on the ground, and which you can (and will) carry though to providing a level playing field.


GWR's train changes this morning. Red = cancelled; pink = different train length to that planned


Cancellation rates ON THE DAY at towns across Wiltshire


Effect of cancellations rates, factoring in population served and timetabled gap between trains
It should be noted that there are two stations in Yeovil and these stats are only for the one GWR serve at Pen Mill.



Looking for a level playing field


Edit (at 06:45, 04.10.2025) to add - Industrty feed via West Wilts Rail User Group - station departure boards this morning for Melksham and Warminster showing the very different levels of service planned in the first place, and then actually being operated.   Warminster is another Wiltshire market town - similar in size to Melksham - if anything slightly smaller. 






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