Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing, Leominster, 22 May 2025

[whole diary]

[stuving]

.....which was not recorded.....

Should it have been and the process was not completed for some reason? I would have thought the recording of such a potentially safety critical interaction should be mandatory.

I don't think user phones at UWCs^▸ (User Worked Crossing - a level crossing where the barriers or gates are operated by the user) are, in general - but maybe that has changed. In any case, analysing any recordings would still take more time and precaution than would allow a quick initial conclusion. 

[TaplowGreen]

.....which was not recorded.....

Should it have been and the process was not completed for some reason? I would have thought the recording of such a potentially safety critical interaction should be mandatory.

I don't think user phones at UWCs^▸ (User Worked Crossing - a level crossing where the barriers or gates are operated by the user) are, in general - but maybe that has changed. In any case, analysing any recordings would still take more time and precaution than would allow a quick initial conclusion. 

Given the wide availability of call recording technology and safety critical nature of the locations and the calls for which they are used, if those phones aren't suitably equipped for call recording I would find it absolutely breathtaking.

[a-driver]

All safety critical photo calls made into or out of a signal box are recorded. 

[TaplowGreen]

Interesting perspective on the issues and risks involved with these types of crossings in general.....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/12K9u3WiHKT/

[a-driver]

Interesting perspective on the issues and risks involved with these types of crossings in general.....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/12K9u3WiHKT/

And you can't disagree with what that farmer is saying

When I worked in a box, we had a panel with a button for each crossing, anytime someone called from a crossing the button illuminated so we knew exactly what crossing they were be calling from.  I don't know if that's still the case though. 

Workload is a big issue.  One signaller can only manage a certain amount of these crossings.  If you've got 20 crossings in your area and a queue of calls waiting to be answered mistakes are going to be made.  Signallers are only human, we are all prone to making mistakes, there needs to be a fail safe method of working. 

[TaplowGreen]

Interesting perspective on the issues and risks involved with these types of crossings in general.....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/12K9u3WiHKT/

And you can't disagree with what that farmer is saying

When I worked in a box, we had a panel with a button for each crossing, anytime someone called from a crossing the button illuminated so we knew exactly what crossing they were be calling from.  I don't know if that's still the case though. 

Workload is a big issue.  One signaller can only manage a certain amount of these crossings.  If you've got 20 crossings in your area and a queue of calls waiting to be answered mistakes are going to be made.  Signallers are only human, we are all prone to making mistakes, there needs to be a fail safe method of working. 

Can't they just install automatic gates on all crossings, as seems to be the suggestion?

[LiskeardRich]

Interesting perspective on the issues and risks involved with these types of crossings in general.....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/12K9u3WiHKT/

And you can't disagree with what that farmer is saying

When I worked in a box, we had a panel with a button for each crossing, anytime someone called from a crossing the button illuminated so we knew exactly what crossing they were be calling from.  I don't know if that's still the case though. 

Workload is a big issue.  One signaller can only manage a certain amount of these crossings.  If you've got 20 crossings in your area and a queue of calls waiting to be answered mistakes are going to be made.  Signallers are only human, we are all prone to making mistakes, there needs to be a fail safe method of working. 

Can't they just install automatic gates on all crossings, as seems to be the suggestion?

Or at least lights

[a-driver]

Interesting perspective on the issues and risks involved with these types of crossings in general.....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/12K9u3WiHKT/

And you can't disagree with what that farmer is saying

When I worked in a box, we had a panel with a button for each crossing, anytime someone called from a crossing the button illuminated so we knew exactly what crossing they were be calling from.  I don't know if that's still the case though. 

Workload is a big issue.  One signaller can only manage a certain amount of these crossings.  If you've got 20 crossings in your area and a queue of calls waiting to be answered mistakes are going to be made.  Signallers are only human, we are all prone to making mistakes, there needs to be a fail safe method of working. 

Can't they just install automatic gates on all crossings, as seems to be the suggestion?

Or at least lights

Cost being the obvious answer, there's around 3,000 user worked crossings in the UK^▸ (United Kingdom).... and then you could potentially argue it's another failure point adding more delay minutes.  It would be interesting to see a breakdown of all those crossings based on linespeeds

[Chris from Nailsea]

It's not a User Worked Crossing, but a pedestrian footpath crossing the Bristol to Exeter main line, just west of Nailsea & Backwell station.  There are no barriers, gates or lights (nor telephones to the nearest signal box (?)).

The entire responsibility for using that footpath railway crossing remains with the user: there is good visibility in both directions, but discretion is advised - the line speed here is 100 mph, and not all trains actually stop at NLS^▸ (Nailsea & Backwell station), so some of them are travelling at that speed.

I have used that footpath crossing, years ago, with my family while dog-walking.  Arriving at trackside, I stopped, took a good look (and listen) up and down the line, then encouraged them to cross the tracks promptly.  On one occasion, I remember, a train appeared in the distance, while we were crossing: I raised one arm in acknowledgement, while hustling the family and dog off the track. The train driver gave a 'toot' of thanks.

CfN.