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« on: June 12, 2025, 15:38:31 »

From The BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)

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An Air India passenger plane bound for London Gatwick crashed shortly after taking off in Ahmedabad on Thursday, leaving at least 204 people dead.
The flight was carrying 242 passengers and crew when it was involved in what the airline has called a "tragic accident" in the city in western India.
Ahmedabad's police chief told the BBC that 204 bodies had been recovered, while 41 people were being treated for injuries.
He earlier told news agencies there appeared to be no survivors from the crash, and that some local people would also have died given where the plane came down.

We are primarily a UK (United Kingdom) rail forum - but just occasionally something as major as this takes place - classified so far as a tragic accident - which goes for comment beyond our narrower sphere of interest.

My thoughts for those who died on board (I understand - stop press - at least one survivor) , those who have died or been injured on the ground. And my thoughts with family, friends and colleagues of those who have perished.  This was a flight into Gatwick - an airport that many of us use, and served by the trains we talk about.  Perhaps "meet and greet" people will have been on their way down, and arrivals planned to carry on on "our" trains.

Over coming time, we will learn what caused the plane to fall out of the sky; out of respect for those who have perished or been bereaved, I am not speculating here.
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2025, 17:19:32 »

Thank you for your post, grahame.

I held back from posting, earlier today, as the news continued to develop: this is an awful transport incident, with effects felt locally to us, as you wrote.

My thoughts and sympathies, too, are with all the families, friends and colleagues of those deceased.  A very sad day.

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2025, 21:54:27 »

Some reports are suggesting dual engine failure after take-off (DEFATO (Dual Engine Failure After Take-Off (aircraft))) That would help explain why there was a mayday call. It's something that is very noticeable to the flight crew, very quickly. If the plane had been incorrectly configured for take-off (as some have speculated - noting that flaps may have been incorrectly positioned and gear was still down) it's less likely the pilots would've figured out what was wrong in time to diagnose the problem and then communicate. The rule of thumb is: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. There's also some suggestion that the RAT (Ram Air Turbine) (Ram Air Turbine) was deployed, which would add weight to the DEFATO hypothesis.

A dual engine failure immediately after V2 would most likely occur due to birdstrikes. Other foreign object damage is possible, though less likely to affect both engines. It could also potentially be contaminated fuel, but there have been subsequent take-offs from that airport, so it's unlikely the source of fuel was the problem.

Dual engine failure at, or immediately after, V2. Startled pilots. No positive rate achieved so no "positive rate, gear up" call out and action. Begin the DEFATO checklist, which I suspect is mainly memory items due to the time critical nature of the fault. Continuing aviating. Issue mayday.

If it turns out to be this scenario then the sad reality is that the pilots simply did not have enough of three critical things. Time, altitude, speed. The nearest comparison would be US Airways Flight 1549. But Chesley Sullenberger and Jeffrey Skiles had nearly 4 minutes, 190kts and 3,000ft to play with.

My thoughts and sympathies go to all those affected.  Cry
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2025, 07:47:00 »

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Over coming time, we will learn what caused the plane to fall out of the sky; out of respect for those who have perished or been bereaved, I am not speculating here.

Agreed. Speculation best avoided.

A colleague lost an Aunt and Uncle in yesterday's crash, who (heart breakingly) were en route to attend a funeral in London.

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2025, 16:41:00 »

What seems extraordinary to me is that there was one survivor, whose injuries are not in any way life threatening.

Is this pure luck? Was his seating position, next to the emergency exit, likely to be the prime reason for his survival?
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2025, 19:14:41 »

What seems extraordinary to me is that there was one survivor, whose injuries are not in any way life threatening.

Is this pure luck? Was his seating position, next to the emergency exit, likely to be the prime reason for his survival?
The interview he has given was understandably rather incoherent, but did make clear that he had a hole in the fuselage to get out through and was then near ground level and not blocked in. I think that his lack of serious injuries is more of a pure luck thing, to do with the deceleration experienced by that bit of structure, which happened to be unusually benign. I fear that others on the plane may have also been less seriously injured, but were unable to get out before the fire took hold.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2025, 16:03:28 »

The fact that the landing gear was not retracted suggests two possibilities to me.
Firstly a major loss of auxiliary power, including that required to retract the gear. Possible but unlikely.

Secondly, that the crew realised that there was a problem, and left the gear down in the hope of returning to the airport for an emergency landing. or perhaps making an emergency landing elsewhere.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2025, 11:37:03 »

The fact that the landing gear was not retracted suggests two possibilities to me.
Firstly a major loss of auxiliary power, including that required to retract the gear. Possible but unlikely.

Secondly, that the crew realised that there was a problem, and left the gear down in the hope of returning to the airport for an emergency landing. or perhaps making an emergency landing elsewhere.

I thought we'd agreed it was best not to speculate?
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2025, 14:41:06 »

I thought we'd agreed it was best not to speculate?

Nothing here beyond what has been postulated in the spcialist aviation media, aviation forums and general news media.
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2025, 15:37:59 »

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

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Investigators find cockpit voice recorder from crashed Air India flight



Investigators have recovered the cockpit voice recorder (CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder, an item of safety equipment installed on aircraft, in case of problems: it forms part of the so-called 'black box' - which is actually bright orange, to make it easier to recover, in case of need)) from the crashed Air India flight, a key step in uncovering what caused last week's deadly accident.

The London-bound Air India aircraft, a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, crashed soon after taking off on Thursday from the western Indian city of Ahmedabad. At least 270 people have been killed, most of them passengers.

The CVR captures audio from the cockpit, including pilot conversations, alarms and ambient sounds. The flight data recorder (FDR (Forest of Dean Railway, heritage line - or possibly, depending on context, Flight Data Recorder, an item of safety equipment installed on aircraft, in case of problems: it forms part of the so-called 'black box' - which is actually bright orange, to make it easier to recover, in case of need)), which logs crucial flight parameters like altitude, speed and engine performance, had been recovered from the debris on Friday.

Both the CVR and FDR collectively form what is commonly known as the "black box" of a plane. It is a vital tool in air crash investigations, helping experts reconstruct the flight's final moments and determine the cause of the incident. The black box, unlike the name suggests, is actually two bright orange devices - one for the CVR and the other for the FDR - painted with reflective strips for easier recovery after a crash. Both these devices are designed to survive a crash.

India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB (Air Accident Investigation Branch)) is leading the inquiry into the cause of the crash, helped by teams from the US and the UK (United Kingdom).

On Sunday, officials from the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) surveyed the site of the plane crash.

"The AAIB has launched a detailed investigation, and the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is conducting a parallel probe under international protocols, since the aircraft is American-made," a statement released on Sunday said.

Indian media outlets have reported, citing sources, that officials from Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA (Federal Aviation Administration)) - the US aviation safety agency - also visited the site.

Separately, a high-level committee set up by the Indian government to examine the reasons behind the crash is expected to hold its first meeting on Monday. The committee will submit a preliminary report within three months, the All India Radio said, and will propose new standard operating procedures (SOPs (Standard Operating Procedure instructions)) to help prevent similar incidents in future.

As the investigation continues, families on the ground are still grappling with disbelief and trauma. Less than a minute after taking off from Ahmedabad's Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport, the AI171 flight crashed into a doctors' accommodation building at the BJ Medical College and Civil Hospital.

All but one of the 242 passengers and crew members were killed. Officials have also been trying to establish how many people were killed on the ground and continuing the slow process of matching DNA samples to confirm the victims' identities. Over the weekend, doctors said 270 bodies had been recovered from the site of the crash.

More than 90 victims have been identified, external through DNA matching, Dr Rajnish Patel of Ahmedabad's Civil Hospital said on Monday. He added that 47 of the identified bodies have been sent to their families.

Among the identified victims is Vijay Rupani, the former chief minister of Gujarat, whose funeral will be held on Monday. Rupani, whose political career spanned more than 50 years, will be laid to rest with full state honours in Rajkot city.

For many other families, the agonising wait continues. Officials told the BBC that the identification process has been slow and painstaking, as many of the bodies were badly burned in the crash and are being processed in small batches.

Mistry Jignesh, waiting outside the hospital for updates on his niece, told the BBC on Saturday that officials told him that it might take longer for them to hand over his niece's remains as the search for bodies is still ongoing. He had earlier been told that the body would be handed over by Sunday, after the 72 hours it normally takes to complete DNA matching. "When people are still missing, how can they complete the DNA process by tomorrow? What if my niece's remains haven't even been found? The wait is killing us," he said.


That's my highlighting - purely to emphasise their importance in facilitating an assessment of what actually happened in this very sad event.

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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2025, 15:53:48 »

I thought we'd agreed it was best not to speculate?

Nothing here beyond what has been postulated in the spcialist aviation media, aviation forums and general news media.

Indeed ... this is balancing act for the moderator / admin team. At the very raw and early point I think it's right not to wildly speculate, but yet as evidence comes out and is discussed in the specialist press and by experts, we can and should move towards reflecting on that evidence.

I can give you no timescale for the redirection, but in the first hours it's disrespectful to those involved to get too involved with "how did that happen" and yet in the longer term it would be disrespectful to their memories to not do our very best to learn lessons so that it may never happen again.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2025, 17:28:15 »

Indeed ... this is a balancing act for the moderator / admin team. At the very raw and early point I think it's right not to wildly speculate, but yet as evidence comes out and is discussed in the specialist press and by experts, we can and should move towards reflecting on that evidence.

Thanks, grahame.

In the meantime, I've added a couple more acronyms to our Abbreviations page, to hopefully help with such clarity in the future.

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2025, 17:55:22 »

I used to build and test the CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder, an item of safety equipment installed on aircraft, in case of problems: it forms part of the so-called 'black box' - which is actually bright orange, to make it easier to recover, in case of need),FDR (Forest of Dean Railway, heritage line - or possibly, depending on context, Flight Data Recorder, an item of safety equipment installed on aircraft, in case of problems: it forms part of the so-called 'black box' - which is actually bright orange, to make it easier to recover, in case of need) and the Quick Access Recorder (QAR (Quick Access Recorder )) The QAR data was really useful for the BA» (British Airways - about) Heathrow crash of a 777, as it goes into more detail than the other recorders, but is not crash protected as such.
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2025, 20:39:07 »

There are several recent developments in CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder, an item of safety equipment installed on aircraft, in case of problems: it forms part of the so-called 'black box' - which is actually bright orange, to make it easier to recover, in case of need) and FDR (Forest of Dean Railway, heritage line - or possibly, depending on context, Flight Data Recorder, an item of safety equipment installed on aircraft, in case of problems: it forms part of the so-called 'black box' - which is actually bright orange, to make it easier to recover, in case of need) capabilities and more coming in the next few years.

Civil aviation governing bodies such as ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation), the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and EASA» (European Aviation Safety Agency - about) have mandated 25 hour continuous recording capability for all new civilian passenger aircraft with a MTOW over 27,000kg and built after Jan 1st 2021. The current rules only require 2 hours of recording. The FAA are mandating that existing US registered aircraft must be retrofiitted by 2030 to have 25hr capable CVRs.

There are flight data recorders now available that can record far more data for much longer periods than is currently mandated. Testing of FDRs than can continuously downlink their data in real-time is also underway. It won't be long before such technology is mature enough for governing bodies to mandate it's use.

There will come a time, in the not too distant future, when accident investigators won't need to find, recover and extract data from, physical 'black boxes'.

More abbreviations for you CfN:

ICAO - International Civil Aviation Organisation
EASA - European Union Aviation Safety Agency
FAA - Federal Aviation Administration

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MTOW - Maximum Take Off Weight.  Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2025, 02:36:04 »

Whilst the following is speculation, it's informed by reading/watching analysis from professionals in the airline industry.

Bird strikes now seem less likely given that there has been an official announcement that no bird carcass debris was found on the runway or immediately beyond it.

Dual engine 'failure' still seems the most likely cause, although this 'failure' now seems unlikely to have been due to external factors. Nearly all informed professionals have agreed that the Ram Air Turbine (RAT (Ram Air Turbine)) deployed. This would happen automatically in three scenarios at the stage of flight of this aircraft:

- If it detected complete failure of flight critical electrical systems.
- Very low/no pressure in all three of the hydraulic systems that are on the 787.
- Engine thrust on both engines dropping below idle.

For one (or more) of those to happen at this stage of flight, without an external factor, is almost unheard of.

Now, I don't know if the pilots could instigate one or more of those failures accidentally. Pilot error is a leading cause of air accidents. But it's usually errors in responding to something the aircraft is doing or telling them.

From the flight dynamics there's no evidence that just one engine 'failed'. There would be almost immediate asymmetric thrust causing the plane to yaw. So, it's unlikely the pilots shut down the wrong engine.

There's been analysis of the landing gear position. That suggest that 'gear up' was selected but the process didn't complete. The trucks had swivelled forward, as they are meant to do before they are stowed. Not completing their retraction suggests loss of hydraulic power.

The surviving passenger mentioned lights flickering before the crash. Eye witness accounts are notoriously unreliable, particularly from someone who has survived a traumatic event. But if there was light flickering that suggest an electrical issue.

So with possible hydraulic issues and potential electrical issues that begins to point to a loss of power generation for those systems. That can only mean both engines 'failed' almost simultaneously. As I said, almost unheard of. Even with US Airways Flight 1549 the engines didn't spool down in tandem. One of their engines briefly spooled back up.

Pictures of the post crash wreckage also appear to show the Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) door partially open. This could of course be post crash damage, but if the APU was being deployed this further suggest a complete loss of power from the engines. The RAT provides power for critical systems. The APU provides electrical power for more systems to come back online. On this flight though there wouldn't have been enough time for the APU to fully start up.

It seems that something in this plane decided to shut down both engines. There has been a lot of technical explanations on specialist forums, and from professionals on social media, that explain how this might have happened. It wouldn't surprise me to hear in the preliminary report that a system controlling engine function or fuel delivery designed to do one thing, erroneously did another. Or activated when it shouldn't have.
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