No ticket barriers for Grade II listed station at York?

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[paul7575]

Having said that I am tired of TOCs^▸ (Train Operating Company) using the 'security' argument for barrier installation. Tell it like it is; revenue protection. Nothing more, nothing less.

I too think they misuse the term 'security'. I think the public think of the word in the contect of anti - terrorism nowadays. But they do seem (as evidenced by LO) to have a beneficial effect in reducing minor crime, vandalism, late night rowdiness, etc, so I'd go with that as a good reason too...

Paul

[Btline]

What I never get with some barrier lines, is why they don't put as many barriers as possible.

Brighton, London Marylebone and Birmingham Snow Hill are examples were there is a short barrier line, with just a glass wall for half of it.

[caliwag]

Mmm...nothing officilially submitted yet, however.

If it is a franchise commitment, I'd be keen to see the source.

As has been suggested before, what stops punters buying a ticket to a local station...get through the barrier, and then blag their way South or North?

I still maintain that the threat of a team of roving inspectors passing through a train, randomly, must be a great detterent...and in the evenings would give the travelling public fantastic reassurance...mere presence.

[paul7575]

Re NXEC^▸ (National Express East Coast) franchise requirements:

Interoperable Smartcard technology will be introduced to the new franchise.  Bidders will need to provide an ITSO-compliant ticketing system comprising ticket-issuing equipment, readers/validators and appropriate gating throughout the franchise, and the necessary back-office functionality, by January 2010.  This means that equipment is capable of accepting other smart cards and has the potential to extend the convenience and ease of smartcard technology to more passengers. Existing smart ticketing schemes in the franchise area should be considered, including Yorcard in South Yorkshire.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/passenger/franchises/icecf1/stakeholderbriefingdocument?page=4

Paul

[caliwag]

Thanks Paul...I am old and plainly thick, because that lot means little to me. Common sense suggests that uniformed bods passing through a train...unannounced will ensure that the vast majority will not try to busk their way through the journey.

Strangely York station was again full of plods, yesterday, apparently randomly searcing peoples' bags...very strange. I'll probably get a knock on the door tomorrow, given the way things appear to be going, but given the level of cable theft in the north, do we not think they could be better employed?

[Chris from Nailsea]

... uniformed bods passing through a train ... unannounced will ensure that the vast majority will not try to busk their way through the journey ...

That certainly seemed to work, when I was in Paris: see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5066.msg46918#msg46918 

[Chris from Nailsea]

From the BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

'Final push' on train station access scheme

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The York Gateway scheme will improve access to the city's railway station, according to the council - Image © City of York Council

Contractors have begun a "final push" towards completing multi-million pound highway works at the front of York Station.

The final phase of the scheme is set to begin on 1 June, and includes four weeks of planned overnight closures that month, City of York Council said. Once completed it is set to deliver a new permanent road layout, including continuous cycle lanes and footways, upgraded bus stops and new public spaces.

Andy Shrimpton, co-owner of Cycle Heaven next to the station, said the work had been "messy and very dirty" and had made it hard to "service customers and for staff to function". No date has been set for completion of the work.

However, Shrimpton - whose business is ultimately due to be relocated as part of the plan - said the work so far had created a "once in a generation change". He said it had seen the removal of an "enormous carbuncle of a bridge" which now meant people's first view on leaving the station was now "beautiful arches in the city wall", exposed by the removal of the Queen Street bridge.

Meanwhile, Darren Avey, director of York Station Taxis, said: "It has been horrendous, the work has been delayed by about 20 months, but we are seeing the end now and it's been a fantastic project when you compare before and after."

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Work near the station has included the removal of Queen Street Bridge - Image © Chloe Laversuch/BBC

The regeneration of the area at the front of York Station began in 2023, and originally had a budget of around £26m. In March an audit found the scheme was £28.5m over budget.

The final phase of work will focus on finalising the new road layout and ensuring all walking, cycling and bus infrastructure is in place, before the highways phase of the project is completed.

City of York Council said four phases of night-time closures would take place between 20:00 and 06:00 BST, from 1 to 26 June, with roads reopening during the day.

Councillor Kate Ravilious, the council's executive member for transport, said the completed final stages would see "fantastic open spaces for everyone to enjoy, safe walking and cycling routes and an improved road layout".

Works were originally set to finish in May last year, but are now due to be completed this summer. In a statement the authority said more details about each of the phases of work, including transport information, "would be published in advance of the work starting".

[infoman]

Not been to York for a very long time

What is the current situation with ticket gates/barriers
were they never installed,or installed and then taken out because the heritage groups did not like them?
or are their plans to install ticket gates/barriers

[Chris from Nailsea]

This goes back as far as 2009, here on the Coffee Shop forum:

Dozens of rail passengers and residents have formally objected to plans to install automated ticket barriers at York Station (link below.)
http://www.thepress.co.uk/news/4025600.43_objections_to_York_ticket_barrier_bid/