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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2026, 11:00:32 »

(Asking more in hope than expectation) - can anyone tell me how this, and GBR (Great British Railways) in general, will result in a better experience for customers?

If you read the articles in the railway press on the first integrated management structures set up in this current change, particularly the article on the Greater Anglia one in the May edition of Modern Railways, I think you will see the sort of savings that the management believe can be made through integration.
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2026, 11:41:38 »

(Asking more in hope than expectation) - can anyone tell me how this, and GBR (Great British Railways) in general, will result in a better experience for customers?

Very little.  The DfT» (Department for Transport - about) want rail subsidies cut even further for starters.

Indeed they do.

Confirmation yesterday too that all stock running under GBR Rail will eventually carry the same GBR design....So the GWR (Great Western Railway) green will disappear.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2026, 21:50:15 »

(Asking more in hope than expectation) - can anyone tell me how this, and GBR (Great British Railways) in general, will result in a better experience for customers?

If you read the articles in the railway press on the first integrated management structures set up in this current change, particularly the article on the Greater Anglia one in the May edition of Modern Railways, I think you will see the sort of savings that the management believe can be made through integration.

How would that result in a better experience for customers?
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2026, 09:39:23 »

Being nationalised won’t make any difference at all to customers.  They’ll be the honeymoon period where things stay as they currently are, but the lack of knowledge and experience, the inevitable cost cutting measures and lack of investment will start to be felt after a few years. 
That lack of investment, the normal government inefficiencies and waste will eventually, and we’re talking a few decades, see it all privatised again at some point.   
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2026, 10:03:30 »

Being nationalised won’t make any difference at all to customers.  They’ll be the honeymoon period where things stay as they currently are, but the lack of knowledge and experience, the inevitable cost cutting measures and lack of investment will start to be felt after a few years. 
That lack of investment, the normal government inefficiencies and waste will eventually, and we’re talking a few decades, see it all privatised again at some point.   

Blimey.

If that's the honeymoon we have to look forward to I shudder to think what the new marriage will be like!  Shocked
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2026, 13:13:19 »

Maybe they will actually work with SWR» (South Western Railway - about) to improve Exeter to Salisbury. They didn't do much when both part of First Group.
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2026, 16:21:02 »

(Asking more in hope than expectation) - can anyone tell me how this, and GBR (Great British Railways) in general, will result in a better experience for customers?

Before I retired in Oct 2025 I was a senior Engineer in the Kent Route, Southern Region of Network Rail.

In July 2025 Southeastern Trains was brough back into public ownership.  When this happened a new Executive Board was formed to run South Eastern Railway.  The MD of  Southeastern Trains took the roll of MD South Eastern Railway, the NR» (Network Rail - home page) Kent Route MD became the Chief Operating Officer, as the Route MD he had maintenance, asset management, signallers, Electrical Control Rooms in his responsibility, as the new COO he now has Drivers and fleet maintenance.
At an exec level NR major stations and SET (Super Express Train (now IET)) station were brought together.
There are other examples where things are being aligned, regrettably some NR and SET staff are getting displaced (ie potential redundancies) where there was duplication of rolls, places like delay attribution, route control etc.

The better experience to the customer will come from the removal of the contractual stresses between NR and the TOC (Train Operating Company)'s the delay attribution (schedule Cool these are just wooden dollars (Financial/Business Slang: An idiom meaning worthless, unreal, or purely internal money/profit, often used to describe pointless disputes over internal cost allocations)   It could be argued, which is the argument the Government made, that this how the TOC parent companies made their profit; so the benefit to customers is a reduction in operating costs.

The joining of track and train in a common management structure has already resulted in better track access for NR in Kent because the "contractual" tension has been remove, when there are incidents and delays again because the contractual tension has been removed the incident / delay is managed more efficiently.

Timetable changes are quicker allowing for timing adjustments all of the because it is one "company"

The South Eastern Railway is still an Executive Board employees of NR and SET are still employed by their respective companies and work to their respective contracts of employment;  but the new exec board is facilitating meeting and better cooperation at lower management levels, something that was lacking in my time in my last job was being able to talk to my counter part TOC engineer without having commercial managers controlling the meeting.

Basically the "vertical" integration of the railway management structure should bring a more efficient, right time railway which should keep the fares down.

Even John Major favoured a return to regional, vertically integrated "grouping" systems, similar to the pre-1948 "Big Four" railway companies.
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Although it was his Government that oversaw the privatisation and fragmentation of British Rail into a complex, non-vertically integrated structure in the 1990s, this resulted in BR (British Rail(ways)) being broken up into over 100 companies
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