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« Reply #480 on: August 07, 2026, 19:59:43 »

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18:37 Westbury to Swindon due 19:21
20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56 will be cancelled.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.

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We have had a report of a defect with the track in the Theale area. Trains may not be able to run over the affected line until it has been inspected or may have to run at reduced speed.

Is it fair to take it that a safety inspection in Berkshire on the Berks and Hants is the case of cancellation of trains in Wiltshire on the Transwilts line?

Maybe not, but in the context of (for example) the 1636 Paddington-Plymouth having already been cancelled due to said track defect, it being a summer Friday and the weekend of Boardmasters the 1736 was undoubtedly rammed and needed to be prioritised via this diversion.

Inconvenient for customers who were planning to travel on either of those cancelled Transwilts services, but in the context of the number of customers impacted, without doubt the lesser of two evils.
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« Reply #481 on: August 07, 2026, 20:07:19 »

Surprisingly, if the GWR▸ (Great Western Railway) app is to be believed, the 17:36 appears to have seats as it approaches Castle Cary.

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The preceding 17:03 to Penzance seems to only be congested in first class.
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« Reply #482 on: August 07, 2026, 20:34:06 »

Surprisingly, if the GWR▸ (Great Western Railway) app is to be believed, the 17:36 appears to have seats as it approaches Castle Cary.

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The preceding 17:03 to Penzance seems to only be congested in first class.

I'd say "if" is doing some phenomenally heavy lifting there!
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« Reply #483 on: August 09, 2026, 11:00:27 »

Is that based on seat bookings, or actual 'live' occupancy?
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« Reply #484 on: August 09, 2026, 12:29:22 »

It’s data available from IETs▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) derived from sensors on the coaches. 
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« Reply #485 on: August 09, 2026, 13:42:30 »

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Yes, Hitachi AT300 / Class 80x IET▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) coaches use a few complementary methods to measure carriage occupancy and seat availability:

1. Air Suspension Load Sensors (Mass/Weight Calculation)

The primary method used for overall coach occupancy on the Class 800, 801, and 802 fleets relies on the secondary air suspension levelling system.
  • How it works: Pressure sensors monitor the air pressure required to maintain the carriage floor at platform height as passengers board.
  • The data: By comparing the pressure differential against an empty baseline, the onboard system calculates the total live mass of the coach.
  • Output: This mass is converted into an estimated passenger count (and percentage loading) and is fed to the passenger information displays (PIS▸ (Passenger Information System)) on station platforms and mobile apps (showing green, amber, or red loading icons). This accounts for both seated and standing passengers.

2. Automatic Passenger Counting (APC) Door Sensors

Infrared / optical barrier sensors are mounted above or beside the passenger access doors.
  • How it works: These sensors count bodies breaking the beam as people enter or exit the train at stops.
  • The data: By tracking net inflow and outflow per carriage, it provides immediate, real-time footfall updates to complement the suspension weight data.
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« Reply #486 on: August 09, 2026, 13:59:45 »

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Yes, Hitachi AT300 / Class 80x IET▸ (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) (Intercity Express Train) coaches use a few complementary methods to measure carriage occupancy and seat availability:

1. Air Suspension Load Sensors (Mass/Weight Calculation)

The primary method used for overall coach occupancy on the Class 800, 801, and 802 fleets relies on the secondary air suspension levelling system.
  • How it works: Pressure sensors monitor the air pressure required to maintain the carriage floor at platform height as passengers board.
  • The data: By comparing the pressure differential against an empty baseline, the onboard system calculates the total live mass of the coach.
  • Output: This mass is converted into an estimated passenger count (and percentage loading) and is fed to the passenger information displays (PIS▸ (Passenger Information System)) on station platforms and mobile apps (showing green, amber, or red loading icons). This accounts for both seated and standing passengers.

2. Automatic Passenger Counting (APC) Door Sensors

Infrared / optical barrier sensors are mounted above or beside the passenger access doors.
  • How it works: These sensors count bodies breaking the beam as people enter or exit the train at stops.
  • The data: By tracking net inflow and outflow per carriage, it provides immediate, real-time footfall updates to complement the suspension weight data.

I would say it's pretty accurate most of the time.  If you have a sensor failure then it can lead to erroneous readings, but that's not too common.
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« Reply #487 on: August 09, 2026, 17:52:09 »

Surprisingly, if the GWR▸ (Great Western Railway) app is to be believed, the 17:36 appears to have seats as it approaches Castle Cary.

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The preceding 17:03 to Penzance seems to only be congested in first class.

In the light of information from II▸ (IndustryInsider - a respected member of this forum), maybe Mr Creosote was travelling first class that day.  Grin
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« Reply #488 on: August 10, 2026, 10:49:35 »

Intriguing.

So if this data is to be believed, a Friday afternoon train leaving Paddington headed for the Westcountry for one of the busiest event weekends of the year, with the previous train having been cancelled, has "many" seats available throughout with the exception of First class which is full (at those prices there must have been some very rich people on board, or perhaps the GWR▸ (Great Western Railway) management surfing team travelling on staff passes?)

I'd say either the data has a whiff of fertiliser about it - a case of "more sensors than usual requiring repair at the same time?", or perhaps if accurate and the train was as lightly loaded as the data indicates suggests that people have given up on relying on the train and have gone by road instead - or perhaps surfed all the way?  Smiley





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« Reply #489 on: August 10, 2026, 20:23:07 »

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06 will be terminated at Gloucester.
It will no longer call at Cheltenham Spa.

It is being delayed at Westbury.
This is due to a fault on this train.
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« Reply #490 on: August 11, 2026, 11:25:16 »

Intriguing.

So if this data is to be believed, a Friday afternoon train leaving Paddington headed for the Westcountry for one of the busiest event weekends of the year, with the previous train having been cancelled, has "many" seats available throughout with the exception of First class which is full (at those prices there must have been some very rich people on board, or perhaps the GWR▸ (Great Western Railway) management surfing team travelling on staff passes?)

I'd say either the data has a whiff of fertiliser about it - a case of "more sensors than usual requiring repair at the same time?", or perhaps if accurate and the train was as lightly loaded as the data indicates suggests that people have given up on relying on the train and have gone by road instead - or perhaps surfed all the way?  Smiley

In that particular case I don't think the data can be believed.  Though it doesn't say First class is full, as the majority of First class seating is in coach K which has 'many' seats available.

From experience, recordings 'on train' are usually correct or very accurate about 95% of the time, but there's an extra level of data transfer to get loadings from the Train Management System on the train to the app, so I don't know how often that might fail.
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« Reply #491 on: August 11, 2026, 17:23:02 »

Thanks, as ever, for your useful 'insider' information here, IndustryInsider.

CfN▸ (Chris from Nailsea, an administrator on this forum).  Smiley
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« Reply #492 on: August 11, 2026, 18:17:27 »

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17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06

17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 is being delayed at Gloucester.
This is due to train crew being delayed.
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« Reply #493 on: August 11, 2026, 20:25:49 »

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06 will be starting late from Westbury.
This is due to the train departing late to maintain customer connections.
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« Reply #494 on: August 11, 2026, 20:51:24 »

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06 will be starting late from Westbury.
This is due to the train departing late to maintain customer connections.


Our old friend the 18:36 Paddington to Plymouth, due Westbury at 19:58, didn't arrive there until 20:09.  Sensible hold on the 20:06 which left 6 minutes late. 
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