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« on: March 01, 2026, 10:28:42 »

Barriers to bus and tram travel - lessons from Florence, from Facebook

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Taking the Bus or Tram in Florence? Please Don't Make These Mistakes.

Florence's public transport is run by Autolinee Toscane (AT). Buses and trams. One company, one system.

It's cheap, it works, and it can save you hours of walking in the heat. But every week, tourists get fined, miss their stop, or waste money — because nobody explained the rules before they got on.

I'm Italian. I've watched people argue with inspectors, buy the wrong ticket, and stand at bus stops without signaling — wondering why the bus drove past them.

The whole post goes into details of each point - here is a management summary - the headlines
1. Not Buying Your Ticket BEFORE You Get On
2. Forgetting to Validate Your Ticket
3. Not Knowing How Long Your Ticket Lasts
4. Not Signaling the Bus to Stop
5. Boarding from the Wrong Door
6. Thinking the Tram and the Bus Are Different Systems
7. Carrying Too Much Luggage
8. Assuming Children Always Ride Free
9. Ignoring Inspectors or Not Keeping Your Ticket
10. Not Using the Bus to Reach Places Tourists Walk To

Lots of lessons here ... helping overcome misunderstandings and making public transport easier to use - for tourists and locals alike!



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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2026, 22:15:20 »

It's good to research local transport in advance of your trip

In many (maybe all) German cities if you buy a one day ticket it needs to be validated before travel on the train (or once you get on the bus) and you may be able to use any door on the bus without showing your ticket to the driver.

In the UK (United Kingdom), do you just tap your debit card when you get on or do you have to state your destination? Depends on the town / city / bus company.

It's not just tourists that get confused.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2026, 22:31:33 »

It's good to research local transport in advance of your trip
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In the UK (United Kingdom), do you just tap your debit card when you get on or do you have to state your destination? Depends on the town / city / bus company.
It's not just tourists that get confused.

I do empathize with that.

As a senior citizen resident in North Somerset, I recently registered for a bus pass, with an online photograph for validation. When the card arrived, I looked more like Alec Guiness as Obi Wan Kenobi than me.  Roll Eyes

I then had to seek guidance from my daughter as to when and how I could use it from Nailsea, and from grahame as to when and how I could use it from Melksham. The whole 'tapping it in and out' requirement remains a mystery to me. Lips sealed

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2026, 08:05:35 »


.....As a senior citizen resident in North Somerset, I recently registered for a bus pass.....The whole 'tapping it in and out' requirement remains a mystery to me.....

Are things done differently in North Somerset? The Devon County Council issued National Bus Pass only requires 'tapping in' on each bus used (even if you have to use 5 buses on one E2E journey). I assumed this was standard across the country - it was certainly the same in Warwickshire & West Yorkshire.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2026, 08:24:32 »

Are things done differently in North Somerset?

Thanks for posing that question, Bob. Wink Cheesy Grin

Yes, we do have something of a tradition of 'doing things differently in North Somerset'.  Roll Eyes

I can't recall the exact details, but I think I didn't need to tap out on my arrival at the Bristol Hospital, but I did have to at the Weston super Mare Hospital. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2026, 08:30:09 »

It's good to research local transport in advance of your trip

In many (maybe all) German cities if you buy a one day ticket it needs to be validated before travel on the train (or once you get on the bus) and you may be able to use any door on the bus without showing your ticket to the driver.

Absolutely agree with this.

I recently visited Prague, as part of the planning I looked for the options for tram, bus and metro travel.  If you are over 65 its free in the Prague central area just carry photo proof of age eg passport, if you get asked by a ticket inspector, for those 60 to 64 its half price but you do need to get a PID card, its all covered on the PID website.  Also many of the attractions there are concessionary entry tickets for seinors
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2026, 17:01:04 »

Are things done differently in North Somerset?

Thanks for posing that question, Bob. Wink Cheesy Grin

Yes, we do have something of a tradition of 'doing things differently in North Somerset'.  Roll Eyes

I can't recall the exact details, but I think I didn't need to tap out on my arrival at the Bristol Hospital, but I did have to at the Weston super Mare Hospital. Roll Eyes

As a fellow N Somerset resident I have always tapped in and never tapped out in N Somerset, Bristol, Bath or elsewhere.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2026, 17:06:05 »

It is also possible to be bamboozled by local customs.

Some years ago we were staying in a Brussels suburb and wanted to use the metro to go to the city centre.  We had not realised quite how small the Brussels French island was and the ticket machine was firmly Flemish with no French or English language options.  Fortunately we were able to get assistance from another passenger.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2026, 19:34:55 »

Even where English translations are provided, they can leave serious doubts. The instructions for the Danish Rejsekort (like Oyster (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) but national) included the instruction to check-in again when changing to a different type of transport. OK bus is obviously a different type from a train, but which of these are the same or different types?:
Metro
Letbane (new LRT/tram)
S-Tog (Copenhagen local rail network)
IC (Inter City train, or Internal Combustion engine, depending on context)-Tog
RegionalTog (some rural lines are privately operated; not DSB)
OresundsTog
Rail replacement bus.

Of the above, I know that Metro is different: only because fares are higher as there is a specific surcharge on top of the otherwise multi-modal zonal fare system.
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2026, 07:33:38 »

I haven't been to Prague for some years now, but I believe that the free travel for over 65s was for EU» (European Union - about) residents only, but that after Brexit the deal continued (continues) to be offered to UK (United Kingdom) residents as a courtesy and gesture of friendship.
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2026, 09:45:46 »

It's good to research local transport in advance of your trip

In many (maybe all) German cities if you buy a one day ticket it needs to be validated before travel on the train (or once you get on the bus) and you may be able to use any door on the bus without showing your ticket to the driver.

In the UK (United Kingdom), do you just tap your debit card when you get on or do you have to state your destination? Depends on the town / city / bus company.

It's not just tourists that get confused.

Indeed.

For instance, both Lisbon and Bilbao have handy stored value travel cards which are much better value than debit card PAYG (Pay as you go). However in Bilbao, a family can  tap the same card on multiple times, whilst in Lisbon, every family member needs their own card. Fortunately the Lisbon revenue controllers on the trams seem clued up to the fact and will fairly patiently point out the error and point the user at the card machine.
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