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Chris from Nailsea
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« on: March 28, 2026, 23:07:39 »

This is a sombre topic - from the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

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'Our daughters got on a school bus and never came home'

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Caitlin-Rose (left) and Caitlin (right) both lost their lives when they were hit by cars after exiting school buses

The grief that follows the loss of a child means that Bob Hogg and Stella McGinn's families have more in common than either would have ever wished for.

Stella's daughter, Caitlin-Rose, and Bob's daughter Caitlin, whose middle name is Rose, both set off for school and never came home.

While the girls lost their lives two years apart, in different parts of the country, the circumstances are tragically similar.

Both died after being hit by a car when getting off a school bus. But as well as being connected by loss, both families have been united in their campaign to change the law to improve school bus safety across Northern Ireland.

There is no legal requirement anywhere in the UK (United Kingdom) for other vehicles to stop when a school bus is picking up or dropping off.

On Thursday, Stormont's infrastructure minister launched a consultation to get the public's views on proposed law changes designed to improve the safety of children travelling to and from school by bus.

Liz Kimmins' proposals include making it illegal to overtake a bus when it is stationary.

Last year, Mid Ulster Council passed a motion calling for law changes around bus safety.

SDLP councillor, Denise Johnston has supported some of the families in their campaign. "It's positive to see some progress around the law changes, but we now need to get it over the line," she said.

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My highlighting - Chris from Nailsea

In the days before I retired as a grocery delivery van driver, I remember driving towards Winford (near Bristol Airport) and seeing a bus on the opposite side, with many children alighting and scampering around.

I was already decelerating, with my foot hovering over the brake pedal, even as the bus driver also gave a 'slow down' gesture: we both acknowledged our joint concern for the welfare of the young ones, as we passed each other.

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2026, 10:07:00 »

"Liz Kimmins' proposals include making it illegal to overtake a bus when it is stationary."

For school buses like they do in the USA, sensible.   For every bus at every stop - severe issue with congestion?   Problem is telling buses apart??
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2026, 10:56:39 »

 Problem is telling buses apart??

Hence America's iconic yellow school buses with their flip-out stop signs. Problem is, you then need a dedicated fleet of buses.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2026, 12:38:59 »

 Problem is telling buses apart??

Hence America's iconic yellow school buses with their flip-out stop signs. Problem is, you then need a dedicated fleet of buses.

We had them in the uk and they  were bloody terrible to drive
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2026, 12:56:05 »

We had them in the uk and they  were bloody terrible to drive

I know !  I briefly 'drove' one in Pennsylvania back in 1979.

I very distant aunt was the school bus driver and she left the vehicle over the weekend in her yard. So I climbed in to explore.

I sat in the driver's seat and saw that it was a manual. Depressed the clutch and immediately it started to roll  Shocked . Aunt hadn't set the parking brake.

Probably only a few feet but it scared me half to death.
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2026, 14:30:35 »

The article says "hit by a car when getting off a school bus".  I assume it actually happened after getting off, rather than stepping into the path of a car from a bus that had pulled up away from the kerb.  Presumably the child emerged without looking from in front of the bus, an act that should perhaps be better dealt with by teaching road safety; after all, it's just as dangerous for an adult to do it later in life and I was made aware of the danger from an early age.  You'd anyway need to stop traffic in both directions or children would risk not noticing a vehicle coming the other way, and any who didn't cross immediately would be trying to cross through the queue of vehicles starting up again.  What counts as a school bus anyway?  Many public services primarily carry school pupils at certain times.  What about children dropped off by car then stepping out into the road?

The proposal really isn't practical, and I hope I'm not being too insensitive to think that it's at least partly the parents not wanting to accept that the children contributed to their own deaths.
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