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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2026, 22:39:32 »

Wait seven decades for a coronation, then two come along in three years

Yep. Labour 2026. LibDems 2024.

Three in the last four years if we include the Conservatives in October 2022.

Four in the last four years if you include Charles III. Tongue

If we're just looking at the top three (based on number of MPs (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context)) Westminster parties, they've changed leaders unopposed five times in the 21st century.

If we include Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and smaller parties then there have been at least 28 coronations in the 21st century. Theresa May was half coronated in 2016. She won the first ballot of Conservative MPs with all other candidates withdrawing before the wider membership voted.

Incidentally, the Liberal Democrats have to have a leadership election in the first year after every General Election. It's in their constitution.
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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2026, 21:10:28 »

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Burnham’s HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) promise is dead on arrival – here’s how to really fix Britain’s railways

Just south of Wigan, you find the “flashes”, lakes formed by mining subsidence, once surrounded by Somme-like industrial wasteland, now transformed into rural nature reserves and a refuge for the willow tit, Britain’s most threatened bird. A tenth of this species’ entire UK (United Kingdom) population lives around the flashes, but perhaps not for much longer.

The area is also home to an even more rare creature than the willow tit: a Labour by-election winner, Andy Burnham, whose constituency, Makerfield, this is. And when he becomes prime minister, he wants to drive a new high-speed railway right through it.

Burnham pledged to reinstate HS2’s second phase, between the West Midlands and the North West, in an interview with The i Paper last month. As well as the route to Manchester, Phase 2 also includes the “Golborne link”, a branch for trains to Preston and Scotland, joining the West Coast Main Line at Bamfurlong, in Burnham’s seat. There was, he said, “a cleverer way of funding” Phase 2 through “contributions from business and residents” or “the increase in land values created by the [new] infrastructure… captured to pay back the cost”.

Henri Murison, of the Northern Powerhouse Partnership, a lobby group for high-speed rail, says a “make-do and mend approach doesn’t work – you end up having to build new lines anyway”. A “significant proportion” of costs could be raised privately, Murison adds, or through measures such as devolved income tax, though he won’t say how much.

But the sums required are genuinely massive. Officially, HS2’s first phase, from London to the Midlands, is now costing between £626m and £734m a mile. On this basis, Phase 2, 89 miles with the Golborne link, would cost up to £65bn. In practice, it should be slightly cheaper, since there is less tunnelling – around 17 per cent of the route, versus 23 per cent in Phase 1 – and fewer cuttings. But that assumes that HS2’s costs rise no further: bold, given its record.

Burnham also wants an underground station in central Manchester – another £5bn on the bill. And he backs a second new line, Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR (Northern Powerhouse Rail)) from Liverpool to Manchester and possibly Leeds. NPR shares some of HS2’s track, but even with this, the price for all the schemes together will be perhaps £80bn.

In 2024, Burnham claimed Phase 2 could save up to 40 per cent by becoming “HS2 Lite”, with a top speed of 185mph, not the planned 250mph. The main reason faster is more expensive is that the route must be flatter and straighter, with more earth moved. But HS2 Lite doesn’t change the route, so this saving isn’t available.

Even HS2’s most strident supporters were unconvinced by the plan. The rail commentator, Gareth Dennis, said it was “bad,” “technically illiterate” and “based on several severely misjudged ideas about costs. Suggesting that anything other than the full and original HS2 design will be cheaper and quicker to deliver is wrong.”

As for Burnham’s “cleverer way of funding”, it’s quite true that extra taxes on London business and a “community infrastructure levy” for increased land values did pay for about a quarter of the Elizabeth Line, £4.7bn. The developers of Battersea Power Station similarly funded about a fifth of the cost of extending the Northern Line to their site – £260m (though in return they got changes which raised its price, cancelling out much of their contribution).

But these were far smaller, cheaper projects than HS2. And even for those sorts of schemes, LSE Professor Tony Travers, who chaired a commission on land value capture for infrastructure, says there is “no way any other part of the country could do anything like [London]. Their economies are just not big enough to bear it. The land values are not enough to raise more than a very modest, gestural amount”. As mayor of Greater Manchester, Burnham had power to levy a Crossrail-style supplementary business rate, but never did, presumably for that reason. In the by-election, he promised to cut business taxes.

The final, clinching difficulty is that neither HS2 nor NPR actually fixes the North’s rail problems. University of Liverpool Professor Ian Wray, former chief planner of the Northwest Development Agency, was the first person to propose what became NPR. But now, he says, HS2 and NPR are “projects looking for a plan”, “conceived, designed and delivered in isolation” and “likely to fail to achieve their objectives”.

Writing with David Thrower, another planner, and Jim Steer, one of the earliest high-speed lobbyists, Wray says the North’s rail capacity problem is not on links – lines between places – but at nodes, places where the trains converge, above all central Manchester. Delays from congestion there ripple out across the region, but fixing it is, they say, a “total lacuna” in current plans.

NPR and HS2 will, of course, take some trains off the congested conventional lines in central Manchester – but only about 25 per cent of them. Trevor Parkin, an engineer who has closely studied HS2 and NPR, says building an Elizabeth Line-style scheme under the city centre instead, a short tunnel linking all the conventional lines either side, would increase capacity by at least 100 per cent.

“It would give Burnham his underground station at Piccadilly, it would link to most of the Northern network rather than a handful of places on a high-speed line, and it would cost a fraction of the price,” Parkin says.

There is cross-party momentum behind this concept, from my own think-tank Policy Exchange to the more left-wing Centre for British Progress. New Elizabeth Lines – not just for Manchester, but for every major city – are the top suggestion of 20 “big ideas” for Burnham’s first 100 days, collected by the progressive website Arguably.

As for the problem that HS2 is meant to fix – congestion on the West Coast Main Line – that too could be solved far quicker and cheaper by tackling two pinch points, Crewe and Colwich, than by building a whole new line. This would also prevent services to other places on the existing route, such as Stoke, Stockport, Wilmslow – and Burnham’s own local station at Wigan – being damaged, sometimes devastated, as trains are switched to HS2.

“Every week and every pound we waste on unaffordable high-speed schemes that will never happen is time and money not spent on things which can actually be delivered and would actually transform rail in the North,” says Parkin. “Unless we realise this, we will spend another 10 years achieving nothing.”
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« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2026, 08:21:35 »

Some rumours that this somewhat familiar face may be making a comeback as a reward for her efforts on Burnham's behalf......
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« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2026, 15:59:13 »

Excellent news if Louise Haigh gets a cabinet position.
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« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2026, 17:52:17 »

I understand that Louise Haig is helping to run his campaign....far better transport secretary IMV ('in my view')
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« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2026, 19:01:23 »

Excellent news if Louise Haigh gets a cabinet position.

No doubt she'll be sitting next to her phone (one of them!) hoping it'll ring!  Cheesy
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« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2026, 20:12:14 »

People are allowed more than one phone.

People are also allowed to gwt on with their work and lives after their period of rehabilition, be that legal or political. One in four people have a criminal record.
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« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2026, 20:42:50 »

 think we all support her don't we? I don't read any dissent on that above
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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2026, 07:16:44 »



People are also allowed to gwt on with their work and lives after their period of rehabilition, be that legal or political. One in four people have a criminal record.

That's a fair point, perhaps everyone should get more than one chance to reach their full potential when it comes to a political career, irrespective of previous dishonest behaviour.

Take Peter Mandelson for example.
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People are also allowed to gwt on with their work and lives after their period of rehabilition, be that legal or political. One in four people have a criminal record.

That's a fair point, perhaps everyone should get more than one chance to reach their full potential when it comes to a political career, irrespective of previous dishonest behaviour.

Take Peter Mandelson for example.

.......and ironically, she's got Mandelson's old job!  Cheesy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/20/andy-burnham-labour-cabinet-profiles
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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2026, 21:19:46 »

I have updated the heading of this topic, purely for clarity.  Smiley
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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2026, 06:37:53 »

Heidi Alexander remains as Secretary of State for Transport. ( reported BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) )

I'm not commenting on what / how she has done so far, but I admit to being of the opinion that we've had far too many changes over the years and there's an element of relief at the no-change stability.
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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2026, 18:51:19 »

Can we have a No.10 of the west as well please Andy?

I fear the focus on levelling up the north will be to the detriment of the west and south west.




If you're looking for locations Mr Burnham, one of the flats in my block here in Taunton is vacant. Flat 10, so its already got the number on the door. Tongue
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2026, 20:48:07 »

Going off at yet another slight tangent here, but this was not entirely unexpected, surely?

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Former Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has announced he is to stand down as an MP to focus on a role in international affairs.

The move will trigger a by-election in the London seat of Holborn and St Pancras, long a Labour stronghold, which he has represented since 2015.

Sir Keir, who left Downing Street in July, had previously said he would stay on as an MP until the next UK (United Kingdom) general election, which is not due until 2029.  But in a surprise statement hours before his successor Andy Burnham made his debut in the House of Commons, he said he was resigning to work on issues such as international affairs and violence against women and girls.

Paying tribute to his predecessor, Burnham highlighted Sir Keir's work with Ukraine and the Hillsborough Law drawn up under his government to improve the accountability of public officials, which is going through Parliament.

"He has given this country a lifetime of public service, particularly for those fighting for justice," he added.  "His leadership took our party from one of its worst defeats to its best victories and created a platform to change this country for the better. We will use it well, and we wish his family the very best for the future."

Announcing his resignation, Sir Keir told the Camden New Journal it had been a "huge honour and privilege" to represent the London constituency for 11 years, ending weeks of speculation about whether he would remain an MP.

He added he was ready to "pass the baton to a successor", telling the newspaper it was the "right time" for him to leave Parliament.  He said: "I will now focus on other things and that will be international affairs including defence, security, trade and technology in a fast-changing world.

"I will also continue, as I have done for a long time now with others, to work on combating violence against women and girls; that is an issue that matters to me hugely.  It's work I started before I became an MP and it's work I'm keen to continue after I'm an MP. So international affairs on the one hand, and continuing my work on violence against women and girls on the other."

Sir Keir became prime minister after winning a landslide majority at the 2024 election, but quit No 10 after pressure from Labour MPs to stand aside.

Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch wished Sir Keir the best for the future adding: "I can understand why he would not want to spend time with the Labour MPs who treated him so badly after he won them their seats."

Tory Party chairman Kevin Hollinrake accused Sir Keir of making "another U-turn having pledged to stay on", prompting a "costly by-election for taxpayers".

A date will not be set for the by-election until Sir Keir formally resigns his Commons seat.  This will only be confirmed once the government has given him a crown appointment, the mechanism that disqualifies him from being an MP.

Labour expects to select a candidate for the by-election by 9 September, according to the party's website.  Holborn and St Pancras has long been a Labour stronghold, with Sir Keir securing a more than 11,000-vote majority at the last general election in 2024.

(BBC article continues)

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« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2026, 07:30:49 »

.....this was not entirely unexpected, surely? .....

In view of Mr. Starmer's categoric statement that he would stay as a backbench MP (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context) until the next general election coupled with his well deserved reputation for u-turning and/or lying this was probably an absolute certainty.

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