Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
No recent travel & transport from BBC stories as at 11:35 09 Oct 2026
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 today - TWSW General Meeting, Taunton
14/10/26 - Network Rail - Portishead
17/10/26 - Flying Scotsman - Wiltshire
24/10/26 - Industrial Heritage

On this day
9th Oct (1897)
First drive Lands End to John o-Groats (link)

Train RunningCancelled
11:24 Reading to Gatwick Airport
11:42 Bristol Temple Meads to Salisbury
11:54 Reading to Gatwick Airport
12:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading
13:07 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads
14:42 Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury
16:01 Westbury to Gloucester
16:12 London Paddington to Bristol Parkway
Short Run
11:03 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington
18:09 Gloucester to Westbury
Delayed
09:08 Gloucester to Weymouth
•
PollsThere are no open or recent polls
•
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
•
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
•
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
• • Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple Meads • Bath Spa • Chippenham • Swindon • Didcot Parkway • Reading • London Paddington • Melksham
Exeter St Davids • Taunton • Westbury • Trowbridge • Bristol Parkway • Cardiff Central • Oxford • Cheltenham Spa • Testing!
October 09, 2026, 11:41:53 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[85] UK destinations you wished you'd visited sooner.
[73] 50th anniversary of the introduction of HST's on the route
[56] Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
[48] HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals,...
[43] South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
[34] To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, a...
 
News: the Great Western Coffee Shop ... keeping you up to date with travel around the South West
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Rail passenger numbers and crowding published  (Read 1452 times)
John D
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 419


View Profile
« on: July 28, 2026, 09:56:46 »

New figures just released (haven't read them all yet)

But have spotted in section 5.3 that Bristol has highest PiXC (passengers in excess of capacity)

Rather proves Bristol rail in peaks is struggling, and so far this year not really done anything about transferring in extra stock

section 4.2 says peak passenger numbers at Paddington grew 6% in a year, 7% increase in off peak in a year

Section 5.4 has the busiest services (into cities when surveyed, so could excludes things like Portsmouth-Cardiff when 2coach set is used), South West trains has 4 of 10.   The third busiest nationally is a Bridgend to Rhymney train !

Section 6 says 13% of long distance services are in excess of capacity

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/rail-passenger-numbers-and-crowding-on-weekdays-in-major-cities-in-england-and-wales-2025/rail-passenger-numbers-and-crowding-on-weekdays-in-major-cities-in-england-and-wales-2025


« Last Edit: July 28, 2026, 10:22:11 by John D » Logged
eightonedee
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 2054



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2026, 11:59:30 »

Thanks John D.

One really striking feature of the figures (apart from the change in the list of stations in 2017) is how many passengers arrive in Reading. From 2017 (when it first appears) to the pandemic, it is third behind Birmingham (first) and Manchester (second) in the number of arrivals, but after the pandemic it overtook Manchester and even has more arrivals at peak times than Birmingham in 2025.

Was the completion of the final phase of the current Manchester tram system in 2020 partly responsible?

 
Logged
ChrisB
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 14414


View Profile Email
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2026, 12:28:22 »

Elizabeth Line?
Logged
eightonedee
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 2054



View Profile
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2026, 17:36:38 »

Quote
Elizabeth Line?

But Reading was no.3 in 2017, five years before the Elizabeth Line opened. These figures are also for arrivals, so the new services replaced a previous GWR▸ (Great Western Railway) service from places that also had direct services.
Logged
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 9731



View Profile
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2026, 10:10:53 »

One wonders how much of this additional overcrowding is caused by increased numbers of trains being short formed/formed of smaller trains?

Not sure if that's as big an issue elsewhere as it is for GWR▸ (Great Western Railway)?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/chance-of-getting-seat-on-london-commuter-train-is-at-all-time-low/ar-AA28SUWf?ocid=socialshare
Logged
Chris from Nailsea
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 22620



View Profile Email
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2026, 00:48:59 »

It is perhaps encouraging to note that the Secretary of State for Transport, Heidi Alexander, has herself experienced some degree of overcrowding, on GWR▸ (Great Western Railway) trains between Swindon and London Paddington:

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

Quote
'I've sat on train floors' - transport secretary

[Image from here is not available to guests]

The transport secretary has said she has sat on the floors of overcrowded trains as she vowed to improve the rail network.

When asked about delays and overcrowding on the railways, Heidi Alexander told BBC Radio Wiltshire: "I've had this problem myself to be honest. I am on trains a lot and I've sat on the floor on a couple of occasions," the South Swindon MP▸ (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context) added. "As Secretary of State, I've sat on the floor on a Great Western train from Paddington to Swindon."

(BBC article continues)

Logged

William Huskisson MP▸ (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context) was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830.  Many more have died in the same way since then.  Don't take a chance: Stop, Look, Listen.

"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner."  Discuss.
Noggin
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 705


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2026, 21:13:12 »

Used to commute Reading to London up until 2009 and I'm pretty sure that it's a lot better now - pre-Electrification in the morning rush hour you often had to wait for up to three HST▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))'s to come through the station before you were actually able to fit on one (zero chance of getting a seat). At one point, a first class season ticket wasn't that much more expensive than second (let's say £150 a month), so quite a lot of people started buying a first class ticket to get a seat, until first was also jammed. Apparently some rather influential people complained, at which point the (unregulated) first class season ticket was jacked up and the riff-raff headed back to second.

Oh yes, and during electrification, I seem to remember the reliability getting so bad that we actually got a discount on a number of month's tickets. And remember, that was before smart phones, so the best you could do for amusement as you sat on the floor was to read your book or call your mates, or if you weere important you might send a few emails on your Blackberry. 

Finally, the Thames Valley stoppers were 3-car only for much of the day and my recollection is that they might even have been hourly to the smaller stations like Burnham.
Logged
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 9731



View Profile
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2026, 16:16:26 »

It is perhaps encouraging to note that the Secretary of State for Transport, Heidi Alexander, has herself experienced some degree of overcrowding, on GWR▸ (Great Western Railway) trains between Swindon and London Paddington:

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

Quote
'I've sat on train floors' - transport secretary

[Image from here is not available to guests]

The transport secretary has said she has sat on the floors of overcrowded trains as she vowed to improve the rail network.

When asked about delays and overcrowding on the railways, Heidi Alexander told BBC Radio Wiltshire: "I've had this problem myself to be honest. I am on trains a lot and I've sat on the floor on a couple of occasions," the South Swindon MP▸ (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context) added. "As Secretary of State, I've sat on the floor on a Great Western train from Paddington to Swindon."

(BBC article continues)



An experience which was memorably shared by her (former) comrade and Leader........however in his case it was later proved that he had been, shall we say, a little "economical with the actualite"?  Wink

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/truth-traingate-new-footage-prove-11051982
Logged
John D
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 419


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2026, 11:05:57 »

Latest quarterly (April - June) usage figures have been published by ORR» (Office of Rail and Road, formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about)

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/u3dhxikw/passenger-rail-usage-apr-jun-2026.pdf

For GWR▸ (Great Western Railway) passenger journeys are 3% on same quarter previous year

However as journeys might be distorted by split ticketing, these are the passenger Km

April - June 2026 1652m Km

And for comparison, Pre-Covid
April - June 2019 1573m

So GWR now 105.1% of pre-Covid passenger km

During which time have removed some 387s, scrapped (after accidents) some 158s, removed remaining HSTs▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)), but only managed to put one class 230 into non-daily service, and barely get one 175 into daily service.

Am I missing something, or have they cut the fleet, and have 5% more
People squeezing on.
Logged
Red Squirrel
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 5717


There are some who call me... Tim


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2026, 11:37:14 »

There is some odd wording in section 3:

Quote
Passenger train kilometres includes only the distance covered by a locomotive itself and does not account for the number of carriages.
[...]
Passenger vehicle kilometres includes both the distance covered by locomotives and the carriages they transport.

The wording seems to suggest that whoever wrote this wouldn't know the difference between a train and a bowl of porridge.
Logged

Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
eightonedee
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 2054



View Profile
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2026, 12:19:41 »

Quote
The wording seems to suggest that whoever wrote this wouldn't know the difference between a train and a bowl of porridge

..or that no-one has checked the standard wording for decades? 
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules via admin@railcustomer.info. Full legal statement (here).

Jump to top of page • Jump to Forum Home Page