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Question: Should a room tax be levied for overnight stays?  (Voting closes: August 10, 2026, 15:36:11)
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2026, 07:00:08 »

It's a firm "No" from me.

It would seem this Government is doing its level best to destroy the hospitality sector already, the last thing it needs is another regressive tax.

I don't doubt your views, but is it really regressive? Pay per head 'x-amount' is equal, and therefore is neither progressive nor regressive.

A regressive tax is structured so that individuals with lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes compared to higher-income individuals, even if the absolute amount paid is the same. It does not consider the person's ability to pay.

This tax is a textbook example of a regressive tax.
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2026, 07:31:07 »

That's a definite 'No' from me. I wouldn't object quite so much if the government wasn't wasting lots of our money elsewhere.
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2026, 10:28:22 »

It's not as if our politicos don't already have their hands deep enough into our pockets and then find ways to waste what they've extracted
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2026, 14:19:14 »

I would support this tax, provided that it is confined to limited areas that are very popular with visitors and therefore prone to overcrowding.
Hotels use a lot of water and energy and should contribute to the capital costs of providing this.
Similar arguments apply to roads, car parks, and public transport.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2026, 14:47:16 »

I would support this tax, provided that it is confined to limited areas that are very popular with visitors and therefore prone to overcrowding.
Hotels use a lot of water and energy and should contribute to the capital costs of providing this.
Similar arguments apply to roads, car parks, and public transport.

Hotels already pay for the water and energy they use.  Roads, car parks, public transport more arguable.
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2026, 15:12:52 »

I have posted further comment - as both a hotel user and a past hotel operator - at https://grahamellis.uk/blog2041.html
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2026, 20:37:30 »

It's widely used abroad, providing it is used to recoup some of the costs associated with discretionary expenditure on leisure stays I'm fine. It must however be reclaimable by business travellers and contractors engaged on construction and maintenance. Additionally virtually all of the take must go to the relevant local authority and not added to central funds and distributed by central government. There are many documented cases of visitors to Cornwall staying in self catering accomodation arriving with their food and not contributing in any way to the area of their holiday. If these are captured it'll be a good thing.
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2026, 00:02:13 »

The general idea in France, at least, is specifically to cover some of the extra costs incurred by the local authority - roads and parking, cleaning and rubbish bins, and the like. Otherwise these are paid by the residents, only a few of whom make money off those visitors which could be taxed as an alternative.

That's not all their costs for visitors, and in some places day trippers (who don't pay it) are more important. But that's just a further problem, as yet unsolved. The visitor tax is seen as addressing part of the shortfall, at least.

However, I don't think that is why it's found favour with Andy and his supporters in Andyland (Andymia?). I think its real attraction as something to do at once is that it is (and can only really be) a local tax, paid to local government. And devolution is one of his Big Ideas, perhaps the biggest, and needs a lot of locally raised government revenue.

Since the plan requires local taxes, set and controlled locally, a block grant doesn't have the right look and feel. Shifting existing taxes over (or down) to local level will not be easy, involving undoing current arrangements to remake them, and replacing lost revenu in some cases.

So a new tax is more attractive, even if it is quite small in revenue terms and so makes almost no contribution to the financial autonomy of local governments. The idea's the thing! But I don't think the need or desire to tax visitors because they must have money to be taxed is important here.
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2026, 03:47:06 »

The general idea in France, at least, is specifically to cover some of the extra costs incurred by the local authority - roads and parking, cleaning and rubbish bins, and the like. Otherwise these are paid by the residents, only a few of whom make money off those visitors which could be taxed as an alternative.

That's not all their costs for visitors, and in some places day trippers (who don't pay it) are more important. But that's just a further problem, as yet unsolved. The visitor tax is seen as addressing part of the shortfall, at least.

However, I don't think that is why it's found favour with Andy and his supporters in Andyland (Andymia?). I think its real attraction as something to do at once is that it is (and can only really be) a local tax, paid to local government. And devolution is one of his Big Ideas, perhaps the biggest, and needs a lot of locally raised government revenue.

Since the plan requires local taxes, set and controlled locally, a block grant doesn't have the right look and feel. Shifting existing taxes over (or down) to local level will not be easy, involving undoing current arrangements to remake them, and replacing lost revenu in some cases.

So a new tax is more attractive, even if it is quite small in revenue terms and so makes almost no contribution to the financial autonomy of local governments. The idea's the thing! But I don't think the need or desire to tax visitors because they must have money to be taxed is important here.

Agreed.  I have been trying to quantify hotel rooms / overnight guests in Wiltshire and it's not an easy piece of research!.   

https://www.visitwiltshire.co.uk/dbimgs/Press%20Release%20-%20ACCOMODATION%20REPORT%20HAS%20REVEALED%20SALISBURYS%20POTENTIAL%20FOR%20FUTURE%20INVESTMENT%20AND%20DEVELOPMENT%20-%20FINAL(1).pdf

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As part of its strategy to grow Wiltshire’s visitor economy, VisitWiltshire commissioned
hotel development consultancy, Hotel Solutions, to deliver a Hotel & Visitor
Accommodation Study for Salisbury and the surrounding area. The study revealed that there
is currently a supply of *198 visitor accommodation establishments operating 2,900
bedspaces, with a further 236 accommodation businesses in the surrounding 10-mile area,
offering an additional 3,600 bedspaces. This data takes into account all forms of
accommodation, with hotel and touring caravan and camping provision dominates the
current supply.

In 2018, occupancy rates were good across all accommodation types with four-star hotels
achieving on average, 74.3 per cent occupancy rate, which grew in 2019 to 75.4 per cent.
Growth indicators predict strong growth in 2020 in leisure tourist demand, as well as
potential for an increase in corporate demand.

Out of date, and just one part of the county. A 20 year old study suggests that 10% are business visitors.

6500 bed spaces, 75% occupancy, suggests about 1.5 to 1.7 million taxable overnight stays per annum within 10 miles of Salisbury a decade ago ...

>>> 6500 * .75 * .9 * 365
1601437.5

Let's call that £3 million income, with goodness only knows what proportion of that being spent on the actual collection.

Interesting to note figures of about 1.3 million per annum visiting Stonehenge - goodness only knows what proportion of them are day visitors to the county, what proportion stay locally, and indeed how many are local residents in the council tax catchment anyway.

All these thoughts ignore age issues - and on a recent visit to Stonehenge, I noted a high proportion of school / college groups ...

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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2026, 06:26:39 »

I would support this tax, provided that it is confined to limited areas that are very popular with visitors and therefore prone to overcrowding.
Hotels use a lot of water and energy and should contribute to the capital costs of providing this.
Similar arguments apply to roads, car parks, and public transport.

Hotels already pay for the water and energy they use.  Roads, car parks, public transport more arguable.

Hotels do indeed pay for energy and water used, at the "going rate" At present they do not pay the capital costs involved in meeting the increased demand (new reservoirs, and treatment works, new substations and generating plant)
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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2026, 11:31:14 »

We pay it abroad without questioning it. Couple of quid a night per adult. Every foreign place I’ve been with it hasn’t charged it to under 18s.

I’ve voted no view either way, it needs to be spent correctly.

Geneva for example it goes to covering free city travel for overnight guests, brilliant use of the funds raised.
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