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« Reply #1440 on: July 07, 2023, 06:29:05 »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66124056
HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)): Government unclear on Euston station goal, report finds
The government still does not know what it is trying to achieve with the High Speed 2 (HS2) station at Euston, a parliamentary committee report states.

The Public Accounts Committee (PAC» (Public Accounts Committee - website)) said this was despite the Department for Transport (DfT» (Department for Transport - about)) spending over eight years planning and designing it.........  continues.......
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« Reply #1441 on: July 07, 2023, 06:49:31 »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66124056
HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)): Government unclear on Euston station goal, report finds
The government still does not know what it is trying to achieve with the High Speed 2 (HS2) station at Euston, a parliamentary committee report states.

The Public Accounts Committee (PAC» (Public Accounts Committee - website)) said this was despite the Department for Transport (DfT» (Department for Transport - about)) spending over eight years planning and designing it.........  continues.......

My opinion the HS2 station is a victim of the usual way Uk Governments deal with infrastructure projects.  The like the dream of world class infrastructure, they make headline policy announcements with £ attached to to it, but then the Government dither and delay making the actual decision to build.  The £ they announced it is then expected the private sector should cough up most of it, then several times through the project the Government changes its mind, or as is the case with Euston freeze the progress midway and then when it restarts the Government complain about the excessive cost.

We are world leaders is construction mega infrastructure projects, but less than third world when it comes to political leadership and commitment.

Note my view is apolitical
 
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« Reply #1442 on: July 12, 2023, 19:51:51 »

The Chief Executive of HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) has resigned.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/12/hs2-chief-executive-resigns-from-delayed-and-scaled-back-rail-project
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« Reply #1443 on: July 19, 2023, 21:43:17 »

HS2 (The next High Speed line(s))- Euston Station floundering whilst Community suffers.....


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66233966
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« Reply #1444 on: July 28, 2023, 18:28:27 »

HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) declared unachievable............not for the first time!


https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/civils/hs2/major-projects-body-declares-hs2-unachievable-24-07-2023/
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« Reply #1445 on: July 28, 2023, 20:26:10 »

HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) declared unachievable............not for the first time!


https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/civils/hs2/major-projects-body-declares-hs2-unachievable-24-07-2023/

Apparently from Private Eye:

https://images.app.goo.gl/Z4eudDKSnV8n48Gz9

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« Reply #1446 on: July 29, 2023, 07:12:14 »

HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) declared unachievable............not for the first time!


https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/civils/hs2/major-projects-body-declares-hs2-unachievable-24-07-2023/

This clearly shows that Whitehall's right hand doesn't know what Westminster's right hand wants and Westminster's right hand doesn't know what Whitehall's left hand is doing ................

Typical when the strings of a major project are micro managed by Whitehall and Westminster Politically control the money

No wonder HS2 construction is in the confusion it is in
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« Reply #1447 on: July 30, 2023, 07:26:20 »

The "official" verdict https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66352286
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« Reply #1448 on: July 30, 2023, 09:17:32 »


I suspect the Tories are content to let it stagger on for another 18 months without applying euthanasia till it becomes Starmer's problem.

The manifesto commitments on it will be interesting.

Public support for HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) seems to have plateaued at around 26% - ironically roughly the same level of support enjoyed by the Government!!!

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/support-for-high-speed-rail-hs2
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« Reply #1449 on: July 31, 2023, 10:38:23 »


I suspect the Tories are content to let it stagger on for another 18 months without applying euthanasia till it becomes Starmer's problem.

The manifesto commitments on it will be interesting.

Public support for HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) seems to have plateaued at around 26% - ironically roughly the same level of support enjoyed by the Government!!!

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/support-for-high-speed-rail-hs2

I doubt very much that Labour would say "Stop, fill in the holes and put everything back as it was". We still need the extra capacity, and it's a nuisance that politics gets in the way of infrastructure every time.
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« Reply #1450 on: July 31, 2023, 11:17:05 »

I doubt very much that Labour would say "Stop, fill in the holes and put everything back as it was".

It was, after all, their idea in the first place.
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« Reply #1451 on: July 31, 2023, 12:44:13 »

I doubt very much that Labour would say "Stop, fill in the holes and put everything back as it was".

It was, after all, their idea in the first place.

But then the ULEZ was a Conservative idea that the Conservatives used to defeat Labour in a by-election. Who thought of a project matters little at the Hustings. Look at the Edinburgh trams, proposed by Labour in the face of fierce opposition by the SNP, who "reluctantly" finished the job when they took power. With the completion of the recent extension, the same government lauds it as a shining example of how to do public transport, while focus on the cost over-runs and delays has shifted to the cost of the delayed report into those delays.
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« Reply #1452 on: July 31, 2023, 18:40:12 »


There are comments elsewhere that Crossrail was code red until it opened.  The perceived problem appears to be a lack of clear government direction.
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« Reply #1453 on: July 31, 2023, 20:36:26 »

Whoever wins the next election, or doesn't, there are only three options for HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)):
  • Abandon it, leaving some very expensive tunnels and bridges
  • Get on with it
  • Do it half-heartedly, trying to minimise costs as much as possible, probably ending up with a not particularly fast line from approximately the West Midlands to somewhere that Ryanair might be persuaded to call London
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« Reply #1454 on: August 01, 2023, 07:17:13 »

Whoever wins the next election, or doesn't, there are only three options for HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)):
  • Abandon it, leaving some very expensive tunnels and bridges
  • Get on with it
  • Do it half-heartedly, trying to minimise costs as much as possible, probably ending up with a not particularly fast line from approximately the West Midlands to somewhere that Ryanair might be persuaded to call London

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