X Country HSTs

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[caliwag]

Ha Ha...well as I live in York, I agree with the Leeds comment.
However, now the splendid Leeds Brewery has taken a hold in Tetley-town, you should try the Brewery Tap in New Station Street...a bottles throw from the station!...bit off topic for sure, but can't let the comment slip by!

[eightf48544]

Did Reading Penrith once on the Sussex Scot but it was mark 2s and a duff and routed via Manchester so the duff didn't come off until Preston.

There was a lady doing Brighton Scotland. She had settled into a corner had her reading and sandwiches.

Won't tell it was with a party of teenage girls from the Slough school my wife worked in, many of whom hadn't been on a train before.

Do remember arrivng back at Reading on Sunday evening and getting off the train and smelling the Thames Valley a heavy oily smell quite a contrast after the Lake Distric air.

[paul7575]

Tony Miles of Modern Railway (posting in uk.railway) has just asked AXC^» (Arriva Cross Country - about) about this supposed HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) withdrawal proposal, and their reply was apparently a flat denial...

Paul

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

with the double voyagers can they not just remove the 2 middle driving ends wouldnt it be better to have a long distance train in which you can walk all the way threw? could also do something amusing like a 2 car voyager with the 2 spare ends.... how many would this seat? ohh you missed my silly ideas!!! admit it

[Btline]

with the double voyagers can they not just remove the 2 middle driving ends wouldnt it be better to have a long distance train in which you can walk all the way threw? could also do something amusing like a 2 car voyager with the 2 spare ends.... how many would this seat? ohh you missed my silly ideas!!! admit it

No good, as the resultant trains would be only six cars - inadequate.

[ReWind]

with the double voyagers can they not just remove the 2 middle driving ends wouldnt it be better to have a long distance train in which you can walk all the way threw? could also do something amusing like a 2 car voyager with the 2 spare ends.... how many would this seat? ohh you missed my silly ideas!!! admit it

No good, as the resultant trains would be only six cars - inadequate.

8 cars if it was done using 2 current 5 car voyagers!

[Btline]

But that would completely counter productive! Why not have 8 car (2x4car) services? Then you still have the 5 car trains for use elsewhere.

The idea should be: 8 car Voyagers (2x4) on key Plymouth to Edinburgh trains. The five cars should then be used on Bournemouth trains.

Removing 2 cars from a 5 coach unit would result in the continuation of the status quo of 4 car trains down to South Coast, which is dreadful.

VT^▸ (Virgin Trains - former franchise (or, possibly, in a France context, Versement Transport - a payroll tax on employers to fund local transport) ) should give up 5 voyagers (they seem to have an abundance of them) to allow for 5 HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) diagrams and 5 double voyager diagrams. that would solve many problems with overcrowding.

[devon_metro]

The idea should be: 8 car Voyagers (2x4) on key Plymouth to Edinburgh trains.

No it shouldn't, you aren't seriously suggesting double staffing them?

XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) have enough problems finding staff as it is.

[ReWind]

The idea should be: 8 car Voyagers (2x4) on key Plymouth to Edinburgh trains.

No it shouldn't, you aren't seriously suggesting double staffing them?

XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) have enough problems finding staff as it is.

I agree here.  Also people tend to get on the nearest door to them, instead of walking up/down to the end of the platform to get on the front/rear of the train.

Therefore, you would have 1 voyager rammed, and another relatively empty, and once you are on a rammed part of a double voyager, there is no way for you to walk through to the other voyager to get a good seat(s).

Voyagers do need to be bigger and more spacious, but doubling up is not the answer.  This just causes new problems.  We need a diesel equivelant of the Pendili no in the  'west'!!   

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

ordering new carrages for voyagers like they have done to extend pendos must be cheaper than whole new trains? double voyagers are just silly double crew well sometimes..... and like someone else said (sorry i had your name in my head) you end up with 4 sardine tins at the front and 4 lightly loaded coaches with more litter than passengers

[Btline]

Do you really need double staff? The guard and trolley can transfer between units. Remove First Class on one unit, so no need for a second steward. (it never seems to be busy)

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

Do you really need double staff? The guard and trolley can transfer between units. Remove First Class on one unit, so no need for a second steward. (it never seems to be busy)

im pretty sure a guard does much more than check tickets.....

[Btline]

I'm pretty sure a guard does much more than check tickets.....

Yes, and...

[ReWind]

Yes, a guard is needed in each voyager.

What if someone falls ill, needs an ambulance.  Or a fight breaks out needing police assisstance etc.

I think it would be pretty risky having a rammed voyager, with no guard to offer assisstance and to patrol the safety of the train AT ALL TIMES!!!

[Ollie]

Yes, a guard is needed in each voyager.

What if someone falls ill, needs an ambulance.  Or a fight breaks out needing police assisstance etc.

I think it would be pretty risky having a rammed voyager, with no guard to offer assisstance and to patrol the safety of the train AT ALL TIMES!!!

And should the 2 units split in traffic each one has a guard.