Peak time travel Plymouth Newbury at off peak price - is this legit???

[whole diary]

[SDS]

I would actually say that the NRCoC^▸ (National Rail Conditions of Carriage) take precedence as there is a clause somewhere that states that a passenger must not be given less favourable treatment [I would say tickets come into this] where the NRCoC gives them additional or better rights. Another example of this is the PF^▸ (Penalty Fare) scheme.

[ChrisB]

This is the term in question....

except where regarded as an unbroken continuation of the previous days' travel where the first connection of the day may be taken

'unbroken' - in these circumstances?....no, sorry. An overnight in PLY^» (Plymouth - next trains) would be reasonably considered a break in journey.

So, this applies.....

Where a journey continues into the next day, travel must resume before 1200 and any relevant time restrictions apply

(my emphasis)

I think you could reasonably be kicked off the 0530 & told to wait.

BUT

Out of curiosity I just tried booking the same journey for next week and it allows seat reservations on the 0530!

on an off peak!

And the itinerary prints out that train as being the suitable connection

Personally, this over-rides everything. A successfully completed sale & issue of tickets forms a legally-binding contract for travel. I would argue (to court if necessary) if challenged and / or PF^▸ (Penalty Fare)'d. But I think FGW^▸ (First Great Western) Customer SErvices would give in.

[SDS]

Personally, this over-rides everything. A successfully completed sale & issue of tickets forms a legally-binding contract for travel. I would argue (to court if necessary) if challenged and / or PF^▸ (Penalty Fare)'d. But I think FGW^▸ (First Great Western) Customer SErvices would give in.

And send you some greenies as well.

[inspector_blakey]

'unbroken' - in these circumstances?....no, sorry. An overnight in PLY^» (Plymouth - next trains) would be reasonably considered a break in journey.

To add to the confusion here, my two cents' worth is that I would consider that they journey was unbroken - hypothetically you would have arrived at Plymouth the night before and are connecting onto the next available service. OK so it doesn't leave for a few hours, but the fact that you can book that journey as a through itinerary, and you are connecting directly into the next available service says to me that it's unbroken. In which case you're positively obliged to get on the 0530 the next day...!

If nothing else this would appear to be enough of a grey area, with different rules apparently contradicting each other, that you could make a strong caes for using the 0530. If anyone's a RAIL reader and really cares, you could always drop Barry Doe an email (his contact details are given in the magazine) - he has an encyclopaedia knowledge of the system and situations like this. In fact, I recall having read a few columns in the past where he explicitly states that an overnight stop in order to make the first connection in the next morning when travel can't be completed in one day is not considered a break of journey...

[super tm]

Yes I would agree you could do that but as the OP^▸ (Original Poster / topic starter, or Off Peak, depending on context) does say he does not live in Gunnislake so he wont really be making the journey. 

[inspector_blakey]

Fair point - as I understand it, starting the journey short  of the origin on the ticket is treated as if it were a break of journey, so I agree that it wouldn't be correct to try and board at PLY^» (Plymouth - next trains) in the morning without having travelled from Gunnislake the previous night.

But OP^▸ (Original Poster / topic starter, or Off Peak, depending on context) did say that a trip to Gunnislake and starting the journey from there would almost be worth it for the saving, so if he really was prepared to do that then it would, I think, be entirely kosher.

[amiddl]

As from this weekend onwards Plymouth is my nearest station which was why I mentioned the idea of travelling from St Budeaux. But for the last few months have been frequent traveller from Gunnislake. Am tempted to try it sometime in the next couple of months to see what happens.

[Mookiemoo]

But But but

The TM^▸ (Train Manager, or Ticket Machine, or Temple Meads (Bristol), depending on context)/RPI^▸ (Revenue Protection Inspector, or Retail Price Index, depending on context) or whoever on the 0530 next morning will have no bloody idea whether he started at gunnislake or plymouth

ok, the ticket won't be gripped/checked etc but er - thats not exactly unusual is it?

[super tm]

Believe me if you have spent the night on the platform I can tell.  Crumpled clothes bloodshot eyes etc 

[Mookiemoo]

Believe me if you have spent the night on the platform I can tell.  Crumpled clothes bloodshot eyes etc 

But we earlier established that a hotel was allowed if travelling from gunnislake - so no blood shot eyes or rumpled clothes

[amiddl]

Crumpled clothes bloodshot eyes etc 

Thats what I normally look like

[vacman]

Also the ticket from Gunni would be stamped or clipped.

[Mookiemoo]

Also the ticket from Gunni would be stamped or clipped.

100% guaranteed?

[devon_metro]

Also the ticket from Gunni would be stamped or clipped.

100% guaranteed?

More than likely

[vacman]

Also the ticket from Gunni would be stamped or clipped.

100% guaranteed?

probably 95% on the Gunni, most guards always do their tickets on that line as most of locals report guards that don't do tickets!