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22.8.2025 (Friday) 20:25 - All running AOK
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Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [364562/24934/26]
Posted by Fourbee at 20:21, 22nd August 2025
 
Reminded me of the 23-car lash up through Tonbridge :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jta4c9FMmCA

Is there a theoretical maximum of IETs that can be coupled together?

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [364561/28982/26]
Posted by Mark A at 19:45, 22nd August 2025
 
It's a funny old argument from the railway, that. Is the practice of operating trains on a system with high fixed costs and then, as your trains are leased, you need to pitch provision at a level that on a daily basis is capacity constrained... is that an an approach that's laced with unintended consequences?

Mark

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [364560/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 19:39, 22nd August 2025
 
OK, it's a long time ago, but I visited Torbay a lot from 1999 to 2005 and services to Exmouth were notorious for being overcrowded, especially during term-time.

Back then there was mainly an hourly service from Paignton to Exmouth. The half hour service to Exmouth by a Barnstaple- Exmouth train. There were extra trains in the rush hour. Oddly the Torre return school traffic was served by a Paignton-London HST stopping there

The big change for Paignton was when an additional shuttle was added between Paignton and Newton Abbot funded by the European Union and marked as such in the timetable to make a half hour service between peak.

These trains were taken over by GWR as passenger numbers increased to make a half hour Paignton-Exmouth service viable by stopping the Barnstaple train at Exeter St James then running to the reversing siding. This didn't last long (3 months?) as it was not a safe to terminate a train there and Exeter Central became the tipping out point, then empty to Exmouth Junction siding (now called East siding).

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [364557/28982/26]
Posted by grahame at 19:10, 22nd August 2025
 
...  I remember back at about the time this forum started, an FGW manager who had transferred from Wessex Trains explained to me the very high cost of adding a carriage to a peak train for just a single morning journey when declining for FGW to do anything to alleviate the problem.  Bad old days, perhaps ...

HISTORIC - but thinking back and to inform discussion, this was the logic:

If it costs £100,000 to hire a carriage for a year and it's only needed (was the case in 2006) for the 12 minutes from Keynsham into Temple Meads on 240 days per annum, it has to generete an extra income of £416 per day. At the fares of the time that worked out as over 100 extra fares to be collected from people who would not otherwise have travelled. FGW as it was believed that whilst they would lose some passengers due to overcrowding, it was far short of 100 every day.

Re: Travellers warned of bank holiday road and rail delays - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364556/30598/26]
Posted by grahame at 18:54, 22nd August 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
The Leamington to Coventry line... I'm trying to recall if it went out of use completely before being brought into use for crosscountry services needing Birmingham International.

Wikipedia (the Kenilworth Station page) tells us:

Passenger services were withdrawn from the line on 18 January 1965 as a result of the Reshaping of British Railways report, and the station was closed, although the line remained open for goods traffic. The cut-off line to Berkswell was closed in 1969, and much of the remaining line was singled during 1972, although some double track was retained through Kenilworth to form a passing loop a short distance north of the station site. Passenger services over the line were restarted in 1977, but as these were long distance, and not local services the station was not reopened[at that time]

The Coventry to Nuneaton section also has its passenger services withdrawn and later re-instated - again, WikiPedia, this time on Bedworth

On 18 January 1965 British Railways (BR) withdrew passenger services from the line and closed Bedworth station, along with all of the other intermediate stations on the line. BR resumed passenger services on the line in 1987 and reopened Bedworth station in 1988.

Re: Great Western Railway battery-powered train achieves distance record - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364555/30593/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:36, 22nd August 2025
 

Readers of Harry Potter will know this would have been Dementors

200 miles on a rattly old D-set at 30 mph would have been enough to suck the soul out of anyone


Thank you for posting that - it made my day! 

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [364554/28982/26]
Posted by John D at 18:34, 22nd August 2025
 

I recall commenting that a 2-carriage train full to bursting with angry passengers is more profitable/sustainable than a three carriage train with everyone having a seat.

 

Does that still apply, as nowadays if can't get on, can claim delay repay if delayed (or do they not take the cost of delays into account).

I have seen 2coach 158s on Portsmouth-Cardiff lose 20 minutes by Bath or Bristol, due to extended dwell at stations, and as most of the local tickets wouldn't be advances (with auto delay repay) that is an awful lot of manual accounting needed to reallocate the delay repay cost back into that short formation.

I suspect it is based on selective inclusion of costs

Re: Travellers warned of bank holiday road and rail delays - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364553/30598/26]
Posted by Mark A at 18:32, 22nd August 2025
 
Yes, looking at Streetview, possibly from the station car park approach road at Berkswell - that's the second track of the double track WCML spur to Birmingham sort of making itself not very obvious, behind the train.

Other stand-out features of Berkswell Station: beside it, a 7 foot headroom road bridge.

Nearby to be seen - a great length of HS2 construction a more advanced stage is now covered on Google satellite view.

The Leamington to Coventry line... I'm trying to recall if it went out of use completely before being brought into use for crosscountry services needing Birmingham International.

Mark

Re: Travellers warned of bank holiday road and rail delays - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364552/30598/26]
Posted by grahame at 17:11, 22nd August 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
On a slightly more serious note: where was this picture (as used in the BBC News item) originally taken?

Cross Country, single track. I really don't know. 

And, I see, electrified too. Must be somewhere to our north. Do we have *any* electrified single lines in the South West yet??

[edit] - from a reverse image search:

Contributor:PA Images
File size:30.8 MB (1.6 MB Compressed download)

Releases:Model - no | Property - noDo I need a release?
Dimensions:4096 x 2631 px | 34.7 x 22.3 cm | 13.7 x 8.8 inches | 300dpi
Date taken:4 June 2015
Photographer:Joe Giddens
More information:
This image could have imperfections as it’s either historical or reportage.
A Cross Country train approaches Berkswell train station in Solihull

Re: First Bus passengers warned of potential strike action - August 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [364551/30551/5]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:06, 22nd August 2025
 
Looks like it's going to happen.......

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bus-strikes-bristol-cause-chaos-10447277

Re: Travellers warned of bank holiday road and rail delays - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364550/30598/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:50, 22nd August 2025
 
Newquay, of old journeys?

Re: World Cup of Stations, 2025
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364549/30596/49]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:49, 22nd August 2025
 
You can nominate Taunton right now if you wish!

Voting starts in October half-term week

Re: Travellers warned of bank holiday road and rail delays - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364548/30598/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:49, 22nd August 2025
 
On a slightly more serious note: where was this picture (as used in the BBC News item) originally taken?



Cross Country, single track. I really don't know. 


Re: Short formation
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [364547/30591/10]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:45, 22nd August 2025
 
Huh? So the 1700 ex-BRI is now programmed as a 5car? Since when?

Re: Travellers warned of bank holiday road and rail delays - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364546/30598/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:44, 22nd August 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Oh yes, all rail travellers are now known by journalists as "commuters"

Re: Travellers warned of bank holiday road and rail delays - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364545/30598/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:38, 22nd August 2025
 
There's more! - in an apparently endless supply of 'news', from the BBC:

'Significant' bank holiday travel delays expected



Commuters across the West Country are being warned of "significant" travel disruption over the bank holiday weekend.

Passengers on CrossCountry trains are being urged to carefully consider travel times due to on-going strikes with all services cancelled on Saturday 23 August and a reduced service running from 0800–1600 BST on Monday 25 August.

Managing Director of CrossCountry, Shiona Rolfe, said the Rail and Maritime Unions (RMT) decision to strike on Saturday and Monday left the company "disappointed for our passengers".

Meanwhile, the RAC has warned motorists of long delays on the roads with millions of additional journeys being taken over the August bank holiday period.



Ms Rolfe said CrossCountry understood the "inevitable disruption" a rail strike would cause over the bank holiday, assuring users they were in talks with the RMT to "try and reach an agreement".  There will be no CrossCountry service between Birmingham, Reading and the South Coast, and no service between Leicester, Cambridge and Stansted Airport with only a very limited service to the South West and north of York.

Network Rail joined CrossCountry in urging passengers to check ahead of travelling over the weekend with the providers current engineering projects potentially affecting rail travel.

Transport company Inrix predicts the M5 between Bristol and Devon to have the most severe holiday traffic, with junction 15, north of Bristol, to junction 23 (Bridgwater) likely to see delays of more than 40 minutes on Friday and Saturday.

Nick Mullender, RAC mobile servicing and repairs team leader, said: "With this bank holiday being the last opportunity to enjoy a long weekend before Christmas, our study shows a real eagerness to get out and about with nearly 18 million drivers planning getaway trips.  More traffic on the roads will inevitably lead to more vehicle breakdowns, especially if the sun makes an appearance and people decide on the day to visit popular destinations," he added. They are expecting roads to airports and coastal getaways to be "extremely busy," he added.


Obviously (except to the BBC), 'commuters' will be affected by this annual event over the August Bank Holiday weekend. 


Re: Short formation
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [364544/30591/10]
Posted by grahame at 16:32, 22nd August 2025
 
15:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:35

Facilities on the 15:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:35.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. Service full and standing. First class is declassified. Catering is not available. There are no reservations on this service.

17:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 18:38

Facilities on the 17:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 18:38.
Will be formed of 10 coaches instead of 5. Reservations have been applied.

Re: Double-decker bus gets wedged under railway bridge - Chelmsford, 20 August 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [364543/30606/51]
Posted by eightonedee at 16:32, 22nd August 2025
 
Difficult to be sure, given the angle from which the front-view picture is taken, but did the driver just keep a little too far over to his right, so missing the highest part of the arch?

Re: World Cup of Stations, 2025
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364542/30596/49]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:05, 22nd August 2025
Already liked by GBM
 

 

I have several 'personal favourite railway stations':

1. Kemble, 2. Nailsea & Backwell, 3. Melksham.

My vote has gone in for Melksham.

CfN. 



For the information of any of my regular readers here (if indeed there are any), Taunton does not appear on that list. Anywhere.


Group in bid to improve accessibility at airport - Newquay, Cornwall - Aug 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [364541/30608/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:47, 22nd August 2025
 
From the BBC:



A new partnership aims to make an airport more accessible by providing adapted aviation opportunities for those with disabilities.

Flynqy Pilot Training, Aerobility and Cornwall Airport Newquay said they wanted to make the airport a "hub for accessible flight training, trial flights and aviation experiences for the disabled community in the South West".

Aerobility said making aviation more inclusive was an essential part of its ongoing commitment to accessibility.

Andrew Boomer, operations director at Cornwall Airport Newquay, said: "We are proud to welcome this partnership between Aerobility and Flynqy Pilot Training to Cornwall Airport Newquay."

Flynqy Pilot Training, a flight training school based at Cornwall Airport Newquay, has worked on introducing adaptations to aircraft with accessibility modifications tailored for those with limb differences and reduced mobility.

Aerobility said these adaptations would allow more people to experience the "freedom" and "confidence" flying could bring. It added the team would undergo specialist training to ensure "safe and dignified access" to aircraft for those who needed assistance.

Zara Dinnacombe and George Weller, who recently took over as directors of Flynqy Pilot Training in April 2025, said they wanted to bring "inclusive aviation opportunities to our local community all year round".  They added: "Aerobility is an inspiring and passionate charity dedicated to making a difference to the lives of people living with disabilities, allowing them to try something new and empowering them to realise their true capabilities."

Al Rosser, Aerobility's chief flying instructor, said the partnership "allows us to reach even more people who can benefit from the euphoric power of flight. We're really excited to help make aviation accessible to people living with a disability in the South West."


British Airways attendant found naked and on drugs in onboard toilet
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [364540/30607/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:34, 22nd August 2025
 
From the BBC:



A British Airways flight attendant was found naked in an onboard toilet while under the influence of drugs, a court has heard.

Haden Pentecost, 41, was working on a flight from California to London when he started to become agitated and was described as "sweating" and "babbling".

A blood test later revealed Pentecost had methamphetamine and amphetamines in his system.

Pentecost, who has been sacked, pleaded guilty at Uxbridge Magistrates' Court to performing an aviation function while impaired by drugs.

The court heard Pentecost had to be stood down by his manager when he failed to help with any pre-flight safety checks.

After complaining of cramps and saying he had to change his clothes, he locked himself in one of the toilets - where a colleague later found him naked and oblivious to the fact, the court was told.

He had dilated pupils, a high heart rate, and had to be checked every 20 minutes until the plane arrived at Heathrow. Paramedics then took Pentecost to hospital.

Pentecost, of Basingstoke, was granted bail and will be sentenced at Isleworth Crown Court at a later date.

British Airways has been approached by the BBC for comment.


Re: Travellers warned of bank holiday road and rail delays - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364539/30598/26]
Posted by Timmer at 14:35, 22nd August 2025
 
The usual it’s a bank holiday so let’s run the usual doom and gloom click bait story making it sound like every road and rail line is either full to bursting with cars/people or closed because it’s a bank holiday.

Re: Double-decker bus gets wedged under railway bridge - Chelmsford, 20 August 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [364538/30606/51]
Posted by Clan Line at 13:50, 22nd August 2025
 
Over inflated tyres ? 

Re: World Cup of Stations, 2025
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364537/30596/49]
Posted by grahame at 12:44, 22nd August 2025
 
Erm ... where's Melksham?   

CfN 

Yes - I can spell that - M-E-L-K .... oh, wait, wrong  question

"About 100 miles  / 160 kms west of London.  Not very far from Stonehenge / near Bath"

Re: World Cup of Stations, 2025
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364536/30596/49]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:38, 22nd August 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
Erm ... where's Melksham?   



CfN 

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [364535/24934/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:30, 22nd August 2025
 
Carting those 9 out of use I think

Re: Travellers warned of bank holiday road and rail delays - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364534/30598/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:30, 22nd August 2025
 

Awful journalism yet again. What has the BBC become? (don't answer that!)


"No comment" from me. 

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [364533/24934/26]
Posted by GBM at 12:27, 22nd August 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, Fourbee
 
A nice problem to have -
1A84 1020 Penzance to London Paddington
Left Penzance as 5 cars.
9 added at Plymouth!
Showing 14 cars to London!

 
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